Joseph - Under used or Underwhelmed

Dougall

Dougall

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What do we all think of him? Is he an answer long term or will next season be another bench warmings season?
 
I feel like he’s been unlucky with some great saves and blocks. Yesterday he did everything right it just seemed like Derby defended the position well.
 
The lad has not been given a decent run in the side to allow him to build his confidence but Critchley’s style of play and over protective approach to younger players holds back any potential development. I heard he had put a transfer request in , as anyone else heard the same , or is it just rumour ?
 
The guy is either low on confidence, not fit or simply inept. From what I’ve seen although he has brought some physicality to the attack from the bench, in terms of goal scoring he is Joe Nuttall mark II.
 
Definitely underused for me, injured for a long period after he arrived and then constantly in and out of the side. That could be down to fitness levels I suppose, but it was unlikely he'd be selected before Rhodes, and Critchleys preferred partner for him seems to be Beesley.
I would have started him yesterday, with Beesley as a front two, but negative Nellie wanted to block the midfield out.
Joseph needs a run of games, a bit of luck and some patience, he is, after all, the future.
We need a serious rethink and the removal of quite a bit of dead wood at the end of the season, plus some decent signings to show some intent. Don't want much, do I?
 
He doesn’t look like a million £ player but has he had the service to show he is a million £ player ?
Joseph seems another example of a recruitment team & coaching team not singing from the same hymn sheet.
 
Agree with above posts about our front players not getting much service or a good run of games.
I also think KJ has been unable to play in the middle enough because of Rhodes's good form in the first half of the season, with KJ playing on the left more than in the traditional nr 9 role.

When he has started in the middle, he hasn't taken his chances (good defending apart) so I can understand the criticism, but I would stick with him because he can be quite physical with opposition defences, something we don't have much of. Just needs to score a few to get his confidence (just like any other forward)
 
Dougall said:
What do we all think of him? Is he an answer long term or will next season be another bench warmings season?
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He's scored 19 League goals in his whole career including 1 for us in 24 league appearances. He has no composure in front of goal and no sense of anticipation. For me he has been an expensive flop. I hope he proves me wrong and goes on a remarkable scoring run.
 
I've said before that it's not clear what type of player he is and I don't think a run of games will help, unless NC can then see what he is.

He's not an out and out striker, he's not a secondary striker and he's not a wideish player (that was where he played last season I think?). More a bit of an amalgam of all 3.

Wrongly, imo people expect more because of the fee involved, but that fee is bullpoop. Both Clubs will have inflated the value to the fans, although no fee was mentioned. I'd imagine the real money that BFC lost as a result of the signing was low 6 figures.
 
I think it's a bit of everything. I think there's something there with him but he's not delivering so can't hugely complain about not playing. Considering our other forwards though, I'd just keep playing him
 
I like his workrate,the shift he put in against Forest immediately unsettled them and he got his goal. He does look like he's lacking in confidence when he does get a chance but I'm willing to stand by him as long as that work ethic is maintained.
 
Pointless post which I put on another thread but a 4-2-1-3 formation with KJ predominantly left, Beesley central & Lavery right (interchanging) with Dembele behind would surely give us more of a goal threat. The two being Byers & Morgan. We're safe, need wins, what's to lose. 🤔 erm.
 
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What do we all think of him? Is he an answer long term or will next season be another bench warmings season?
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If he plays for pool he wont get more than 5//6 goals, if he goes to another team he will certainly get double figures.
Critchley has played him wide left most of the time,he also wins a lot of challenges in our own half? Another manager would play him where he would get more joy.
But we have other players that are also not used properly.
Critchley OUT.
 
Willie Mcgrotty said:
Pointless post which I put on another thread but a 4-2-1-3 formation with KJ predominantly left, Beesley central & Lavery right (interchanging) with Dembele behind would surely give us more of a goal threat. The two being Byers & Morgan. We're safe, need wins, what's to lose. 🤔 erm.
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Absolutely bang on Mr McGrotty , bang on.
 
I’ll pass judgement at the end of next season

From what I’ve seen he’s a decent prospect .

Too early to decide now not seen enough of him .
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
I've stopped judging players whilst Critchley plays this hideous formation. So many players have suffered as a result.
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It's not the formation that's the problem it's the slow pace that we play at, we could play 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 or any other permutation but when a team takes so long to get the ball to the forwards then they are probably going to struggle.
 
gjr said:
It's not the formation that's the problem it's the slow pace that we play at, we could play 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 or any other permutation but when a team takes so long to get the ball to the forwards then they are probably going to struggle.
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Exactly. All our forwards have the same problem.
 
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gjr said:
It's not the formation that's the problem it's the slow pace that we play at, we could play 4 2 4 or 4 3 3 or any other permutation but when a team takes so long to get the ball to the forwards then they are probably going to struggle.
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Formation is the main problem.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Formation is the main problem.
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I'm sure there are teams out there that play some sort of variation of 3 at the back at a much higher tempo than us and have success with it.
Maybe the 3 at the back isn't right for our players but I'm sure with the right players and the right coach it can be made to work.
 
Getting the ball to our forwards (whether that is Joseph, Rhodes, Lavery, Beeley, or any 2 out of them) has been the problem. The only way we have been able put pressure on the opposition has been when the forwards push on to their defenders and there's no way they can do that for 90 minutes. They need help.
 
Willie Mcgrotty said:
Pointless post which I put on another thread but a 4-2-1-3 formation with KJ predominantly left, Beesley central & Lavery right (interchanging) with Dembele behind would surely give us more of a goal threat. The two being Byers & Morgan. We're safe, need wins, what's to lose. 🤔 erm.
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Critchley would lose face if we were suddenly unbeatable in a different set up...
 
Getting into his role with JR.
Both fit: JR would had mid 20s goals and Joseph mid teens.
With those extra goals where would we be?
And, those two up front KD behind them……..
 
td53 said:
Critchley would lose face if we were suddenly unbeatable in a different set up...
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Yep, he’s hung his gilet on 3 at the back despite not having footballing centre halves and proper wing-backs, there’s no way he’s changing that now for fear of 4 at the back working better.
 
Quality player I am convinced. I've seen him be a quality player before we signed him. Whether we see it here, I tend to agree there are factors that need to change...
 
His career to date goalscoring record of 1 in 6 is a major worry perhaps pointing to the fact that he's not a striker. Is he a number 8 or 10 who chips in with the odd goal and a few assists?
 
I think it was Bristol R away when Bowyer was raving about him. He played wide left and Albie was pinging the ball out there into the final third. He played off JR, and then Lavery, very effectively, and ran them ragged, creating several chances. That's his best position, and I think he needs a good run, and a few goals/assists, then he'll be an asset.
 
BlackpoolJord said:
Can't see any difference between him and Joe Nutall. Another poor signing on big money.
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Don't agree with that. Joe Nuttall looked almost entirely useless, it was staggering.

Joseph has some decent aspects to his game, he is good with the ball and has some good vision - he has double the amount of assists than goals as proof of that. I think he may be severely lacking in his ability to finish though, as well as lacking any cut throat mentality (he often looks to offload it rather than shoot) which isn't great for a striker.
 
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