JOSH BOWLER

Did they not read the “he’s gash” thread as part of their research? What sort of scouts are they employing?

How can they ignore some of the genius that post on here, along with the other classics like “Critch Out”, “Yates is overrated” and “Calderwood is the new Pep”.
 
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Chunkylad said:
Did they not read the “he’s gash” thread as part of their research? What sort of scouts are they employing?

How can they ignore some of the genius that post on here, along with the other classics like “Critch Out”, “Yates is overrated” and “Calderwood is the new Pep”.
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😂😂😂
 
Chunkylad said:
Did they not read the “he’s gash” thread as part of their research? What sort of scouts are they employing?

How can they ignore some of the genius that post on here, along with the other classics like “Critch Out”, “Yates is overrated” and “Calderwood is the new Pep”.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 spot on Chunky wait till we get another beating and playing shite for all the Whoppers to crawl out of the woodwork, other clubs need to be alerted rather than spend on scouts!
 
The 1+1 deal was always a bit puzzling, I really hope we get to see more than six months of him in Tangerine.
 
There is a reason every club in the championship is after him, players like him Don’t come round very often , he might be frustrating at times but he scares defences to death( Preston at home bring a prime example 😄), it only needs one stroke of his magic in a game and bang👍🏻We need to hold on to the lad👍🏻
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The 1+1 deal was always a bit puzzling, I really hope we get to see more than six months of him in Tangerine.
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Can only presume we would want a big deal like usual at the moment..... but as with Lavery on 2+1, that these better players have ideas to potentially progress and might not want tying down for years as we've just gone up and at the time most clubs may go back down?

Maybe its a bit like the Garbutt situation when signed in league 1 it was a 1 year deal as he must have thought he will play higher.
 
JJpool said:
Can only presume we would want a big deal like usual at the moment..... but as with Lavery on 2+1, that these better players have ideas to potentially progress and might not want tying down for years as we've just gone up and at the time most clubs may go back down?

Maybe its a bit like the Garbutt situation when signed in league 1 it was a 1 year deal as he must have thought he will play higher.
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Maybe, but it's not as if anyone is under the delusion that contracts tie you to a club, it just means more chance of a higher fee earlier on.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Maybe, but it's not as if anyone is under the delusion that contracts tie you to a club, it just means more chance of a higher fee earlier on.
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Yeah anyone can leave at any time, but maybe less likely if on a bigger deal as clubs have to pay more than if on a shorter one.

I don't bloody know. 🤷

Would be great of we saw JB tied down on a new deal, a 2.5 + 1 would do it 👍
 
JJpool said:
Yeah anyone can leave at any time, but maybe less likely if on a bigger deal as clubs have to pay more than if on a shorter one.

I don't bloody know. 🤷

Would be great of we saw JB tied down on a new deal, a 2.5 + 1 would do it 👍
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Probably irrelevant right now anyway seeing as he's got 18 months left anyway.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Probably irrelevant right now anyway seeing as he's got 18 months left anyway.
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Maybe no need, or maybe sends out a message that we don't let assets drift away for lesser amounts.

The positives under Sadler are weve brought in good players, offered new deals to some and the manager, we've not yet let key people go yet.

Have we really been tested yet, not sure bit seems if we hold onto Bowler we will have.
 
JJpool said:
Maybe no need, or maybe sends out a message that we don't let assets drift away for lesser amounts.

The positives under Sadler are weve brought in good players, offered new deals to some and the manager, we've not yet let key people go yet.

Have we really been tested yet, not sure bit seems if we hold onto Bowler we will have.
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Yep, depends on the player as well, if he wants to go let him go (for the right price).
 
If we keep hold of Bowler in this transfer window in the face of all this interest and the bids, then it's great news and not just for keeping the player. It also sends out a message to the rest of the league that if you ever want our players, you have to cough up like you do for players at other clubs. Getting a reputation as a club that only lets its prized assets leave for large fees is a good thing to have but it takes time to develop that reputation, and we need to start that process now. Otherwise we are never going to realise the true potential of what I presume is the long term policy of developing young players and selling them on.
 
Positive and proud said:
There is a reason every club in the championship is after him, players like him Don’t come round very often , he might be frustrating at times but he scares defences to death( Preston at home bring a prime example 😄), it only needs one stroke of his magic in a game and bang👍🏻We need to hold on to the lad👍🏻
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Speaking to a Nobber after we played them he thought Josh was like a modern day Sir Stanley Mathews.
 
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Speaking to a Nobber after we played them he though Josh was like a modern day Sir Stanley Mathews.
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I suggested the same t'other week and my sanity was questioned. He is definitely a throw back to the old fashioned wingers where the ball appears stuck to his feet.
 
Hazi said:
I suggested the same t'other week and my sanity was questioned. He is definitely a throw back to the old fashioned wingers where the ball appears stuck to his feet.
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To be fair Hazi he does take on defenders like wingers used to and they really don't like it one bit.

I think the only thing he needs to add to his game is consistency.
 
Raging_Bull said:
To be fair Hazi he does take on defenders like wingers used to and they really don't like it one bit.

I think the only thing he needs to add to his game is consistency.
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Yes, I don't think I can remember anyone remotely like him at Bloomfield Road since Tommy Hutchison. Whenever Josh gets the ball I feel something is going to happen, and now he is beginning to show an end product. Long may it continue for him at "Bloomers"
U.T.M.P.
 
Raging_Bull said:
To be fair Hazi he does take on defenders like wingers used to and they really don't like it one bit.

I think the only thing he needs to add to his game is consistency.
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I'm a big fan of Bowler but his crossing and shooting still need to improve. And the defensive stuff if you're going to be bolshy.
 
Yep - all on the same hymn sheet. Not even Josh knows what he's gonna do next, hence the danger he possesses - and losing possession or duffing the final ball is all part of the package. Hope we keep him.
 
Chunkylad said:
Did they not read the “he’s gash” thread as part of their research? What sort of scouts are they employing?

How can they ignore some of the genius that post on here, along with the other classics like “Critch Out”, “Yates is overrated” and “Calderwood is the new Pep”.
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Yes but those threads were cleverly placed to confuse spies from other clubs. Either that or, they weren't.
 
voyeur said:
I'm a big fan of Bowler but his crossing and shooting still need to improve. And the defensive stuff if you're going to be bolshy.
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Bowler is a great raw talent and people get excited by seeing players dribble the ball. I can’t say it does anything other than frustrate the hell out of me TBH….

I’d rather see a quality ball whipped early across the danger area (ala David Beckham) than see a player running with his head down.

I’d rather see a 45 yard cross field, defence splitting pass that lands with the precision of an arrow (ala Charlie Adam)…

Don’t get me wrong, I can see that there’s a benefit to having the Josh Bowler option and I can understand why he’s exciting to watch, but without the football brain and end product, he’s limited IMHO…

Hopefully at some point it’s going to all kick in and we’ll maybe get 6-12 months of something really special.👍
 
20togo said:
every one.
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That doesn't even make sense...

What we have seen is a variety of different responses to Josh Bowler this season, ranging from competent defenders simply nullifying him, by using his own limitations against him to other sides simply not knowing how to deal with him.

He is what he is, an immensely skilful dribbler of the ball, who has limited end product and a tendency to forget his defensive responsibilities.....

On occasion, that results in some sublime performances where Josh will literally tear the opposition apart and is seemingly unplayable and on other occasions, it will result in very frustrating performances, where we are left exposed and under pressure down one side of the pitch.

For a player with his ability (up to this point) he doesn't contribute anywhere near enough goals or assists to justify the defensive limitations..... And that is why he's tended to be limited in terms of game time.
 
He’s 5 mil all day long

My view is that these bids are insulting both to the club and the player

In light of this he would be best committing his future to the Seasiders.

The owners love him the fans love him and the manager loves him

Blackpool fc is going places . An ambitious club with a wonderful bright future

Bowler is perfect for us and we him

These other clubs should take their paltry bids elsewhere
 
of course it makes sense.

I said
20togo said:
It's a good job that other teams scouts and managers know a bit more about the game than some of our fans.
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Which ones?

Only one team has made an offer so far and it’s been for peanuts.
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20togo said:
every one.
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Or do you consider you and others on here know more than the professional scouts and managers in the game? Not really difficult to follow.
 
20togo said:
of course it makes sense.

I said





Or do you consider you and others on here know more than the professional scouts and managers in the game? Not really difficult to follow.
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I think we do 20’s

We see the players every game home and away

These scouts and managers are watching numerous players. They might see a game here and there . One swallow does not a summer make .

We know more than them about how good a player is because we have seen more of them

It’s not rocket science you can tell if a player is any good or not but you have to watch them over run of games
 
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Or do you consider you and others on here know more than the professional scouts and managers in the game? Not really difficult to follow.
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I've seen no evidence of any consistent approach from opposition teams to Josh Bowler... And I'd certainly expect that many of our fans have a better understanding about JB's attributes and limitations than some Scouts and Managers, simply because they see him every week.

AngelBFC said:
He’s 5 mil all day long

My view is that these bids are insulting both to the club and the player

In light of this he would be best committing his future to the Seasiders.

The owners love him the fans love him and the manager loves him

Blackpool fc is going places . An ambitious club with a wonderful bright future

Bowler is perfect for us and we him

These other clubs should take their paltry bids elsewhere
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Hopefully he will be worth £5 Million at some point.... The issue here is that Everton Paid £4M + for him already as a young raw talent and have seemingly failed to move his game on and polish those rough edges (end product), which has eventually seen him dropping back a level to Blackpool, in the hope of getting his career back on track....

I think If Josh was simply bursting onto the scene as a new talent, then you might be right with the price tag, but as he's already been there, done that and will be perceived to have failed, it's a different ball game... Josh is going to need to prove he can step on to the next level, that he is capable of adding that cutting and incisive end product to his game...If not, then to my mind he's not going to justify the bigger price tag.
 
AngelBFC said:
I think we do 20’s

We see the players every game home and away

These scouts and managers are watching numerous players

We know more than them about how good a player is because we have seen more of them
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nope, simply not true even though I agree with you on how good Bowler is. We only know how good a player he is in laymans terms, strictly from an amateur point of view. These are professional managers and scouts recruited because they see much more than we do when they watch a player. It's a different mindset to the ordinary fan. And when a scout goes to watch a specific player they totally focus on that player, they are not there to just watch the game. They will produce a detailed analysis of the player highlighting every positive and negative. It's like saying we should all apply for jobs as a scout and thinking we know best because we see a player play ever week. We don't.
 
20togo said:
nope, simply not true even though I agree with you on how good Bowler is. We only know how good a player he is in laymans terms, strictly from an amateur point of view. These are professional managers and scouts recruited because they see much more than we do when they watch a player. It's a different mindset to the ordinary fan. And when a scout goes to watch a specific player they totally focus on that player, they are not there to just watch the game. They will produce a detailed analysis of the player highlighting every positive and negative.
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Yet we've seen widely different approaches from different managers to the Josh Bowler 'threat', which have ranged from paying him limited attention at all to being completely focused on nullifying his threat..... Your post might make more sense if we'd seen or heard any kind of consistent approach to / post match reference to Josh or if we'd seen loads of sides making serious bids to sign him... But we haven't...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yet we've seen widely different approaches from different managers to the Josh Bowler 'threat', which have ranged from paying him limited attention at all to being completely focused on nullifying his threat..... Your post might make more sense if we'd seen or heard any kind of consistent approach to / post match reference to Josh or if we'd seen loads of sides making serious bids to sign him... But we haven't...
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And your post might make more sense if there was any evidence of a manager taking the opinions of fans of the club of the player rather than sending a scout to watch and ultimately watching themselves. They don't. It's a professional job done by qualified people. Not amateurs.
 
20togo said:
And your post might make more sense if there was any evidence of a manager taking the opinions of fans of the club of the player rather than sending a scout to watch and ultimately watching themselves. They don't. It's a professional job done by qualified people. Not amateurs.
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Sorry. you've completely lost me... Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes or something.

My understanding of your original comment...

20togo said:
It's a good job that other teams scouts and managers know a bit more about the game than some of our fans.
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Was that you were somehow suggesting that certain 'criticisms' of Josh Bowler are not really worth that much, because 'other teams scouts and managers' feel differently?

So what is your perception of what 'other teams scouts and managers' think about Josh Bowler and what evidence do you have that supports how they perceive him?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sorry. you've completely lost me... Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes or something.

My understanding of your original comment...



Was that you were somehow suggesting that certain 'criticisms' of Josh Bowler are not really worth that much, because 'other teams scouts and managers' feel differently?

So what is your perception of what 'other teams scouts and managers' think about Josh Bowler and what evidence do you have that supports how they perceive him?
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I think most fans can see the perceived weaknesses of Bowler and the frustration that brings. But these professional scouts and managers go into far greater detail when assessing a player than we can and do. AVFTT after a game will be not much more than either Bowler was shit/brilliant. They will analyse every single part of his game. If you think you have the qualifications or requirements to be a professional scout then you are simply wrong. And that doesn't matter how many times you've seen Bowler play. They are much more qualified to assess Bowler than you will ever be.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That doesn't even make sense...

What we have seen is a variety of different responses to Josh Bowler this season, ranging from competent defenders simply nullifying him, by using his own limitations against him to other sides simply not knowing how to deal with him.

He is what he is, an immensely skilful dribbler of the ball, who has limited end product and a tendency to forget his defensive responsibilities.....

On occasion, that results in some sublime performances where Josh will literally tear the opposition apart and is seemingly unplayable and on other occasions, it will result in very frustrating performances, where we are left exposed and under pressure down one side of the pitch.

For a player with his ability (up to this point) he doesn't contribute anywhere near enough goals or assists to justify the defensive limitations..... And that is why he's tended to be limited in terms of game time.
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After Hull at home I think opposition players will dread going near him if he gets into their box.
 
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20togo said:
I think most fans can see the perceived weaknesses of Bowler and the frustration that brings. But these professional scouts and managers go into far greater detail when assessing a player than we can and do. AVFTT after a game will be not much more than either Bowler was shit/brilliant. They will analyse every single part of his game. If you think you have the qualifications or requirements to be a professional scout then you are simply wrong. And that doesn't matter how many times you've seen Bowler play. They are much more qualified to assess Bowler than you will ever be.
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I'm sure that some scouts and managers will have gone into some degree of detail when reviewing the attributes of Josh Bowler. Some may have gone away with a completely false impression depending on which Josh Bowler turned up on the day(s) in question.

I don't have the 'qualifications' to be a professional scout... Though we certainly have fans who do have those qualifications. Of course, I don't really need to have those 'qualifications' to form a rounded opinion about a player and his relative ability in broad terms (I've seen enough of them).

Anyway putting my lack of qualification to one side for a moment....

What do you believe that these professional scouts and managers think about Josh Bowler and what evidence is there to support that?

1966_and_all_that said:
After Hull at home I think opposition players will dread going neat him if he gets into their box.
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I'm pretty sure that will have been the case prior to Hull and in fairness for any player that is prepared to have a run at defenders in and around the box. The better defenders have dealt with the threat by dealing with Bowler earlier and either shepherding to run the ball over the goal line or dispossessing him early doors.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm pretty sure that will have been the case prior to Hull and in fairness for any player that is prepared to have a run at defenders in and around the box. The better defenders have dealt with the threat by dealing with Bowler earlier and either shepherding to run the ball over the goal line or dispossessing him early doors.
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Yes, fair point but I've said before now that when the opposition put three on him to shepherd him away the smart thing for us would be to have players available to take a good pass unmarked in a forward position.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm sure that some scouts and managers will have gone into some degree of detail when reviewing the attributes of Josh Bowler. Some may have gone away with a completely false impression depending on which Josh Bowler turned up on the day(s) in question.

I don't have the 'qualifications' to be a professional scout... Though we certainly have fans who do have those qualifications. Of course, I don't really need to have those 'qualifications' to form a rounded opinion about a player and his relative ability in broad terms (I've seen enough of them).

Anyway putting my lack of qualification to one side for a moment....

What do you believe that these professional scouts and managers think about Josh Bowler and what evidence is there to support that?


I'm pretty sure that will have been the case prior to Hull and in fairness for any player that is prepared to have a run at defenders in and around the box. The better defenders have dealt with the threat by dealing with Bowler earlier and either shepherding to run the ball over the goal line or dispossessing him early doors.
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You probably deliberately sum up everything wrong there. I'm not sure any scout will walk away with the impression that he's shit just because he didn't play well in the game he was at. Anyway, I've made my point. You admit yourself that you're a contrary Mary.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Yes, fair point but I've said before now that when the opposition put three on him to shepherd him away the smart thing for us would be to have players available to take a good pass unmarked in a forward position.
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I had this discussion the other night with someone else.... The opposition have never 'Put three on him'.... He may have ended up 1 on 3 backing the defenders off at times and yes, I absolutely agree that's where we should be capitalising by a) Having spare players attacking the space and b) working on JB's decision making.
 
20togo said:
You probably deliberately sum up everything wrong there. I'm not sure any scout will walk away with the impression that he's shit just because he didn't play well in the game he was at. Anyway, I've made my point. You admit yourself that you're a contrary Mary.
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I didn't say that a scout would walk away with the impression that he's shit though did I. I said that scouts could have gone away with a false impression...

If you feel you've proved your point then fine... I'm still left wondering what your point actually was to be honest...

I'm not sure my perspective on Josh Bowler is particularly contrary really.... I've not said anything that isn't really pretty much widely accepted and has been borne out by our own manager's decisions.

I'd say the 'contrary Mary's' are either those who completely over-state his contribution or those who go the other way and call him completely shit. As things stand, he wouldn't be at Blackpool if he was the real deal / complete package...He needs to tidy up his rough edges and if he achieves that, then a) He won't be at Blackpool very long and b) he'll be worth the bigger price tags being referenced....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I didn't say that a scout would walk away with the impression that he's shit though did I. I said that scouts could have gone away with a false impression...

If you feel you've proved your point then fine... I'm still left wondering what your point actually was to be honest...

I'm not sure my perspective on Josh Bowler is particularly contrary really.... I've not said anything that isn't really pretty much widely accepted and has been borne out by our own manager's decisions.

I'd say the 'contrary Mary's' are either those who completely over-state his contribution or those who go the other way and call him completely shit. As things stand, he wouldn't be at Blackpool if he was the real deal / complete package...He needs to tidy up his rough edges and if he achieves that, then a) He won't be at Blackpool very long and b) he'll be worth the bigger price tags being referenced....
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My point is rhat scouts have a far greater understanding of what is required and a players attributes both good and bad than your average joe bloggs fan. It really is that simple.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I had this discussion the other night with someone else.... The opposition have never 'Put three on him'.... He may have ended up 1 on 3 backing the defenders off at times and yes, I absolutely agree that's where we should be capitalising by a) Having spare players attacking the space and b) working on JB's decision making.
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He may have ended up 1 on 3 backing the defenders off

Which is what I was getting at. Don't disrupt the mail flow with pendantry.
 
20togo said:
My point is rhat scouts have a far greater understanding of what is required and a players attributes both good and bad than your average joe bloggs fan. It really is that simple.
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OK... That much is obvious really... Though of course it doesn't stop fans (including yourself) discussing, debating our own opinions about players and nor does it invalidate those opinions (or make them wrong).

So thanks for letting us all know...

Do you have an opinion on Josh Bowler or not?

1966_and_all_that said:
He may have ended up 1 on 3 backing the defenders off

Which is what I was getting at. Don't disrupt the mail flow with pendantry.
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In fairness, it's an important distinction... 👍 BTW given your propensity for grammatical pedantry....This one's a beauty🤣
 
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