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just back from the game and had a glance at the match thread, we’ve just totally dominated a team in a pre season friendly and youve Got the armchair fans on here arguing about who our crapest player is, always the same ones generally never go either!!! Pathetic.
Exactly what I was thinking when reading the match thread from the ground at half time…… and that was from people who had spent most of the first half moaning about not being able to get a reception….. very strange 🤔🤔
 
just back from the game and had a glance at the match thread, we’ve just totally dominated a team in a pre season friendly and youve Got the armchair fans on here arguing about who our crapest player is, always the same ones generally never go either!!! Pathetic.

1st half we were poor. 2nd half we were a Championship side. and totally dominant Not sure why you think we dominated the whole game? Even the commentary said that whatever Apples said at half time worked.

For the record - great noise coming from you and those who went.
 
I went, IMO they had a 10 Minute spell towards the end of the first half where maxi made a good save, other than that they were never in the game. We were comfortable all night without really testing the keeper. The final third is where we’re still struggling.
 
Thought overall a good performance , but I still noticed that even in the second half where we played very well , we still seemed to be passing the ball a lot at the back . I know on some occasions that can't be helped , but I still think we did it when a boot up the field was a better option. Or is this just me being finding fault and being pessimistic .
 
Thought overall a good performance , but I still noticed that even in the second half where we played very well , we still seemed to be passing the ball a lot at the back . I know on some occasions that can't be helped , but I still think we did it when a boot up the field was a better option. Or is this just me being finding fault and being pessimistic .

I would hate it if for the sake of impatience we just booted it up field rather than keeping the ball and waiting for a pass to be on. Different strokes for different folk I suppose with no right way just different ways.
 
Watched the game on youtube. Dominated the game - WTF. We were dominated in the first half after about 12 minutes. 2nd half much much better. I was concerned how poor we were without the ball getting behind the ball first half.

Lavery had 2 free headers second half but made the ball look like sponge with both efforts. Bowler tied them in knots but you can see our strikers not knowing where to be and when to make a run. That is Bowler and his unpredictability though I guess.

Though Tharme had a cracking game. Maxwell frustrates me. Ward did nothing to get a contract. Thorniley had a good game - not sure why we need Williams but with him at 6 ft 5 and Marv 6 ft 4 imagine having Tharme's throw-ins !! Jack Moore looked good again at RB.

All in all another good work out in searing heat. Only Dale seemed to limp off so no other apparent injuries.
 
I would suggest that's an impression only you have for some reason. Not sure why you don't like the fact other football fans have an opinion on a game of football.
Maybe I was a bit harsh, but there are more than a few who are hypercritical and seem to expect we should be playing like Fulham every week. Some of the reactions to a defeat or poor performance are beyond parody, and, as stated above, the biggest culprits are often those who don’t go to the games. If you like reading that sort of stuff that’s fine, but it’s not for me.
 
It was a friendly so you can't take much from it

First half we didn't keep the ball their number 6 was the best player on the pitch

Second half looked better but loads of square pegs in round holes still
 
Maybe I was a bit harsh, but there are more than a few who are hypercritical and seem to expect we should be playing like Fulham every week. Some of the reactions to a defeat or poor performance are beyond parody, and, as stated above, the biggest culprits are often those who don’t go to the games. If you like reading that sort of stuff that’s fine, but it’s not for me.
I think those that are at a game forget that we are watching at home and have time to type stuff, it's actually good to be able to bounce stuff off others, no need to get het up over it, that's what message boards are for. I would never go online if I was at a game but you talk to those around you and probably say the same sort of things that are being typed on here. It's interesting to get different views on players and their performances it doesn't mean to say what we type is accurate.
 
It was a friendly so you can't take much from it

First half we didn't keep the ball their number 6 was the best player on the pitch

Second half looked better but loads of square pegs in round holes still

Which is what friendlies against the likes of Salford are all about. Apter;s did say he was going to give some of the more fringe players a chance last night and he did, some looked good and others not so good and it will have been valuable for him going forward. We will start Sunday's game with pretty much his side against Reading but even the thee will be tweaks and changes, particularly as new players come in.

The second half was much more fluid and fast pace than anything Quitchley put up even if we did pass it round the back quite a bit, at least we didn't get the boot up field from Maxwell, we did drive it forward.
 
Watched the game on youtube. Dominated the game - WTF. We were dominated in the first half after about 12 minutes. 2nd half much much better. I was concerned how poor we were without the ball getting behind the ball first half.

Lavery had 2 free headers second half but made the ball look like sponge with both efforts. Bowler tied them in knots but you can see our strikers not knowing where to be and when to make a run. That is Bowler and his unpredictability though I guess.

Though Tharme had a cracking game. Maxwell frustrates me. Ward did nothing to get a contract. Thorniley had a good game - not sure why we need Williams but with him at 6 ft 5 and Marv 6 ft 4 imagine having Tharme's throw-ins !! Jack Moore looked good again at RB.

All in all another good work out in searing heat. Only Dale seemed to limp off so no other apparent injuries.
There is no way on earth they dominated the first half. We should have been a couple up after 10 minutes. After that we were very comfortable without any real threat. They did nothing at all apart from one save by Maxwell.

Second half was like us v Leeds but in reverse. Totally in control.
 
I think those that are at a game forget that we are watching at home and have time to type stuff, it's actually good to be able to bounce stuff off others, no need to get het up over it, that's what message boards are for. I would never go online if I was at a game but you talk to those around you and probably say the same sort of things that are being typed on here. It's interesting to get different views on players and their performances it doesn't mean to say what we type is accurate.
Watching on TV, you see what the camera follows which is inevitably around the ball. At the ground you see crucial movement off the ball which gives a far better picture of team shape and tactics, imo.
 
Agree with whoever said we started the first half well.Hitting some lovely long cross field passes creating loads of space. But then after ten minutes or so it just went flat and we were second best although to be fair Salford weren't that good. Virtue at full back was horrendous and Lavery has certainly lost that spark. Second halfwas completely different and Virtue looked great alongside Fiorini and they ran the show second half. Thought Moore did well at right back without having too much to do and Tharme looked competent although he's clearly behind Marv as the right sided centre back. So with Keogh, Williams and Thorniley also around he's gonna struggle to get many games.. We even went up a gear as a threat when Bowler came on, Hamilton is still a long way from being anywhere near good enough. The odd good game by him is simply not enough at this level.

I'm sure last nights game of two halves will have given Appleton plenty to think about. It has me because I've no idea who Appleton will pick for the first league game and I suspect thet even in gis own mind he's not sure either.
 
I know it's preseason but why does Appleton appear to be having a look at Maxwell as no.1?
 
i dont think we were good in the first half, and not because we played badly. Lavery is not a left winger, Virtue is not a full back, neither is Apter (2nd half). we were very unbalanced similar to the start of the promotion season with NC. To me it seems MA is trying to fit players to a system he wants to play, rather than creating a system that suits the players we have. Im going to stick my neck out that we have a squad that is top 6. There is quality and talent through the whole squad, there might not be that recognised superstar that other teams might have paid excessive amounts of money for, but i dont think many teams will have the talent in depth.

Where those teams may have an advantage is the team being built around the abilities of one or two players and systems played accordingly. If i was going to be critical of Critchley i dont think he ever found the ideal team or the ideal way of playing for the players he had last season. Playing Madine and trying to play a high press and having reversed wingers who dont really cross the ball very often is a case in point. I have a back of my mind worry that MA might be having the same issue, or he is simply doing the testing preseason and we come out of the gates with Reading at full tilt.

we do look to have significantly more movement around the midfield and attacking wise, and we are getting more players in and around the box but there still seems to be something missing, and im not convinced its a player(s)
 
I agree. Thought he played last night because with one or two exceptions, that was our reserve side.

The Everton game will surely see the Reading line up start?
Hopefully he's just tinkering as you say but with the GK position, I never really see the point. The second before last friendly of the preseason, I guess I'm hoping the side starts looking very close to the first team starting XI.
 
Exactly what I was thinking when reading the match thread from the ground at half time…… and that was from people who had spent most of the first half moaning about not being able to get a reception….. very strange 🤔🤔
good to see you last night pal although i think you struggled to recognise me as i was talking to WPC in shades and a tangerine beanie 😎
 
i dont think we were good in the first half, and not because we played badly. Lavery is not a left winger, Virtue is not a full back, neither is Apter (2nd half). we were very unbalanced similar to the start of the promotion season with NC. To me it seems MA is trying to fit players to a system he wants to play, rather than creating a system that suits the players we have. Im going to stick my neck out that we have a squad that is top 6. There is quality and talent through the whole squad, there might not be that recognised superstar that other teams might have paid excessive amounts of money for, but i dont think many teams will have the talent in depth.

Where those teams may have an advantage is the team being built around the abilities of one or two players and systems played accordingly. If i was going to be critical of Critchley i dont think he ever found the ideal team or the ideal way of playing for the players he had last season. Playing Madine and trying to play a high press and having reversed wingers who dont really cross the ball very often is a case in point. I have a back of my mind worry that MA might be having the same issue, or he is simply doing the testing preseason and we come out of the gates with Reading at full tilt.

we do look to have significantly more movement around the midfield and attacking wise, and we are getting more players in and around the box but there still seems to be something missing, and im not convinced its a player(s)
mmm... two points which I strongly disagree with. Don't think we have a squad anywhere near a top six. Hope I'm wrong of course but Appleton will have to get a lot more out of the players and the way he plays/sets up to get anywhere near that. Second disagreement is that in our squad we do have a superstar. Name is Josh Bowler. He proved he had the ability to be that last season and I think he'll be a lot more consistent this.
 
i dont think we were good in the first half, and not because we played badly. Lavery is not a left winger, Virtue is not a full back, neither is Apter (2nd half). we were very unbalanced similar to the start of the promotion season with NC. To me it seems MA is trying to fit players to a system he wants to play, rather than creating a system that suits the players we have. Im going to stick my neck out that we have a squad that is top 6. There is quality and talent through the whole squad, there might not be that recognised superstar that other teams might have paid excessive amounts of money for, but i dont think many teams will have the talent in depth.

Where those teams may have an advantage is the team being built around the abilities of one or two players and systems played accordingly. If i was going to be critical of Critchley i dont think he ever found the ideal team or the ideal way of playing for the players he had last season. Playing Madine and trying to play a high press and having reversed wingers who dont really cross the ball very often is a case in point. I have a back of my mind worry that MA might be having the same issue, or he is simply doing the testing preseason and we come out of the gates with Reading at full tilt.

we do look to have significantly more movement around the midfield and attacking wise, and we are getting more players in and around the box but there still seems to be something missing, and im not convinced its a player(s)
That isn’t a top 6 squad
 
Second disagreement is that in our squad we do have a superstar. Name is Josh Bowler. He proved he had the ability to be that last season and I think he'll be a lot more consistent this.
Bowler needs to stop thinking he's a superstar or he's going to get done under the trade descriptions act. He most certainly has the talent in his feet to be one but he doesn't have that superstars instinct to make the right decision quick enough.
Compare and contrast to Fiorini who, based on the few minutes I've seen so far, most certainly as the instinctive ability to know what to do but probably not the same ability as Josh to beat his man.
 
Bowler needs to stop thinking he's a superstar or he's going to get done under the trade descriptions act. He most certainly has the talent in his feet to be one but he doesn't have that superstars instinct to make the right decision quick enough.
Compare and contrast to Fiorini who, based on the few minutes I've seen so far, most certainly as the instinctive ability to know what to do but probably not the same ability as Josh to beat his man.
yep, but you've never been a big Bowler fan have you! And how do you know how he thinks? Last night in his twenty minutes or so, he knew when to pass which he did well and when to take a player on. He's still learing those skills. And if he thought he was such a superstar would he have been turning down a move last January to a bigger club.
 
‘Pathetic’ fans commenting on their team, but I’ll start a thread just to let people know I went to a game. 😂.

Irony.
 
just back from the game and had a glance at the match thread, we’ve just totally dominated a team in a pre season friendly and youve Got the armchair fans on here arguing about who our crapest player is, always the same ones generally never go either!!! Pathetic.
Did you miss the 1st half?
 
yep, but you've never been a big Bowler fan have you! And how do you know how he thinks? Last night in his twenty minutes or so, he knew when to pass which he did well and when to take a player on. He's still learing those skills. And if he thought he was such a superstar would he have been turning down a move last January to a bigger club.
Bowler didn't turn a move down in January, BFC didn't agree to let him go. That's been covered ad infinitum.
No I'm not a big Bowler fan altough I'd love to be. You see his positives, I see his negatives.
To that end I disagree with you about his 20 minute cameo. I thought the opposite and I was pretty close to him.
 
Bowler didn't turn a move down in January, BFC didn't agree to let him go. That's been covered ad infinitum.
No I'm not a big Bowler fan altough I'd love to be. You see his positives, I see his negatives.
To that end I disagree with you about his 20 minute cameo. I thought the opposite and I was pretty close to him.
....and you just prove my point. Nothing positive to say about him. You'll probably say he was poor against Rangers too.
 
Thought overall a good performance , but I still noticed that even in the second half where we played very well , we still seemed to be passing the ball a lot at the back . I know on some occasions that can't be helped , but I still think we did it when a boot up the field was a better option. Or is this just me being finding fault and being pessimistic .
It's you thinking a boot up the field is a better option! 😆

I think those that are at a game forget that we are watching at home and have time to type stuff, it's actually good to be able to bounce stuff off others, no need to get het up over it, that's what message boards are for. I would never go online if I was at a game but you talk to those around you and probably say the same sort of things that are being typed on here. It's interesting to get different views on players and their performances it doesn't mean to say what we type is accurate.
Some of your typing is definitely a bit loose, for sure. 😉😆

Watching on TV, you see what the camera follows which is inevitably around the ball. At the ground you see crucial movement off the ball which gives a far better picture of team shape and tactics, imo.
So can you tell us what you saw in terms of shape and tactics? What worked and what didnt?
 
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😲 ....and you just prove my point. Nothing positive to say about him. You'll probably say he was poor against Rangers too.
You're an argumentative sod.
I've looked though the world wide web to find the secret formula you've used to work out that Bowler is a superstar and I couldn't find it so I've come to the conclusion it's down to opinions. Now I accept that my opinion is not always right, in fact quite often not.
Now sit down before you read this but the same applies to you.
However what's negative about the comment in my post #30.
"He most certainly has the talent in his feet to be one ...."
Now you tell me just one small negative about him if you believe he has any negatives.
PS.
I couldn't make the Rangers game and only saw it online which bearing in mind the quality (lack of) of coverage it would be unfair to comment. Insiderson said he did OK.
A friend who's a Leeds fan (but watches Blackpool quite alot on dodgy TV) was at York and he also commented favourably.
 
You're an argumentative sod.
I've looked though the world wide web to find the secret formula you've used to work out that Bowler is a superstar and I couldn't find it so I've come to the conclusion it's down to opinions. Now I accept that my opinion is not always right, in fact quite often not.
Now sit down before you read this but the same applies to you.
However what's negative about the comment in my post #30.
"He most certainly has the talent in his feet to be one ...."
Now you tell me just one small negative about him if you believe he has any negatives.
PS.
I couldn't make the Rangers game and only saw it online which bearing in mind the quality (lack of) of coverage it would be unfair to comment. Insiderson said he did OK.
A friend who's a Leeds fan (but watches Blackpool quite alot on dodgy TV) was at York and he also commented favourably.
Sarcastic posts only strengthen my resolve. If you consider that to be argumentative then that's fine.

For Blackpool Bowler has the potential to be a superstar. I don't need to go looking at the world wide web for any secret formula. Bowler doesn't play for any of the worldwide global super teams so clearly at that level he is not a superstar. But all I'm concerned about is what he does for us and in that respect he is and can be a superster. A match winner many times over because of the talent he possesses. And if you read my earlier post I did mention his onconsistency. Is that not a negative? And I said that is something he will improve on. And I'd much rather watch Bowler play than the likes of Hamilton, Anderson, Dale and any academy player that you like to throw into the mix as being ready. Whereas I enjoy reading your reports on our academy players and how well they are doing I'm not convinced you fully grasp the massive step up it is between that level and the Championship. A point I've made to you several times previously.
 
Sarcastic posts only strengthen my resolve. If you consider that to be argumentative then that's fine.

For Blackpool Bowler has the potential to be a superstar. I don't need to go looking at the world wide web for any secret formula. Bowler doesn't play for any of the worldwide global super teams so clearly at that level he is not a superstar. But all I'm concerned about is what he does for us and in that respect he is and can be a superster. A match winner many times over because of the talent he possesses. And if you read my earlier post I did mention his onconsistency. Is that not a negative? And I said that is something he will improve on. And I'd much rather watch Bowler play than the likes of Hamilton, Anderson, Dale and any academy player that you like to throw into the mix as being ready. Whereas I enjoy reading your reports on our academy players and how well they are doing I'm not convinced you fully grasp the massive step up it is between that level and the Championship. A point I've made to you several times previously.
Like you I'm only concerned about what Bowler does for us. I know he posseses talent and that adds to my frustration with him.
"I'm not convinced you fully grasp the massive step up it is between that level and the Championship.
Unbelievably arrogant comment. 😂
 
Like you I'm only concerned about what Bowler does for us. I know he posseses talent and that adds to my frustration with him.
"I'm not convinced you fully grasp the massive step up it is between that level and the Championship.
Unbelievably arrogant comment. 😂
not at all. It's said with some justfication. Your preferred choice for our front 3 included Apter. A position our manager hasn't yet tried him in. Even when we've made mass changes of substitutions in the games we've played so far. So why is that? Perhaps because at this point in time he sees others ahead of him for a forward position. Including a player I don't rate at all in Hamilton.
 
not at all. It's said with some justfication. Your preferred choice for our front 3 included Apter. A position our manager hasn't yet tried him in. Even when we've made mass changes of substitutions in the games we've played so far. So why is that? Perhaps because at this point in time he sees others ahead of him for a forward position. Including a player I don't rate at all in Hamilton.
In an alternative universe Appleton has so much confidence in his young up and coming superstar that he has asked him to play out of position because he knows he won't let him down.
He even ran forward took players on, beat them and was brought down (according to armchair viewers in the penalty area??) just before curling a shot into the top corner of the goal.
He toyed with the idea of playing Josh Bowler there but couldn't trust him.
 
In an alternative universe Appleton has so much confidence in his young up and coming superstar that he has asked him to play out of position because he knows he won't let him down.
He even ran forward took players on, beat them and was brought down (according to armchair viewers in the penalty area??) just before curling a shot into the top corner of the goal.
He toyed with the idea of playing Josh Bowler there but couldn't trust him.
As you said, "alternative universe". I thought we only won 1-0 too with a Yates tap in. Well that's the game I was at anyway. I don't recall this Apter shot into the top corner of the goal. If he had, it would have been 2-0.
 
What I got from last night:

We need a right back. Sharpish. Jack Moore looked decent when he came on.
Garbett did ok, balls in were better than usual.
Virtue did himself no harm.
Ward and Lavery looked off it.
Dale can’t play in the middle. Don’t really rate him out wide.
Tharme looks decent, not sure he’s championship ready.
Yates typical self, right place right time.
 
As you said, "alternative universe". I thought we only won 1-0 too with a Yates tap in. Well that's the game I was at anyway. I don't recall this Apter shot into the top corner of the goal. If he had, it would have been 2-0.
You need to read again what I said. It wasn’t that ambiguous.
Apter's run, taking players on, ending with him brought down on the edge of the box is factual. Did you see that?
My gloss on it was that it prevented him curling the ball into the top corner.
 
You need to read again what I said. It wasn’t that ambiguous.
Apter's run, taking players on, ending with him brought down on the edge of the box is factual. Did you see that?
My gloss on it was that it prevented him curling the ball into the top corner.
It was ambiguous enough. You could have been talking about separate incidents. In fact I thought you were.
 
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