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Phil_bfc deux

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Smashed it going home as hardly any traffic on the roads

Thought it was a brave selection with so many forward players in the line up and we started well

But yet again a couple of individual mistakes cost us

Battled back well enough and on another day could have got a draw against a top side who simply have better players than us

Yet again I find it difficult to understand all the grief Appleton is getting

Granted most of its probably from people who didn't go to the game, , but that's not the point

Anyway he's going nowhere so get used to it and I've heard there are 3 or 4 new signings lined up

Let's hope he can strengthen the midfield as that's the problem
 
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Southshoresteve said:
What’s really shit is people singing “you’re getting sacked in the morning” when the second Utd goal went in.

No problem with people venting after the game if that’s how they feel but I thought some of the stuff tonight was poor - we need to be 100% backing the team during the game.
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I didn't hear any of that in the South and I'm glad I didn't or they would have got a right gob full

Yet again I saw players in Tangerine trying their bollux off
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
I think it is the point though. I’m getting fucked off by moaning bastards who don’t even have the spine to show up when the club needs them 🤬🤣
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The manager is a duffer and the results reflect that accurately. Bottom of the league form. I don’t blame fans for steering clear….it sends a message that this is unacceptable.
 
clappers said:
Poveda playing deeper so as to “mark” Norwood and Beesley out wide? I quite understand why Appleton is getting pelters.
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Have you just made that Man Mark thing up?

Oh and we are short of midfield players and wide men so I'm really not sure who you would have played

Beesley was poor tonight but had a decent game at Hull and did make the goal
 
Southshoresteve said:
What’s really shit is people singing “you’re getting sacked in the morning” when the second Utd goal went in.

No problem with people venting after the game if that’s how they feel but I thought some of the stuff tonight was poor - we need to be 100% backing the team during the game.
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Yeah 1 chant after going 2 down, not really needed but people are unhappy.

Though we did back the team though and certainly wasn't a toxic atmosphere, was ok at times in a this season type of way.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Smashed it going home as hardly any traffic on the roads

Thought it was a brave selection with so many forward players in the line up and we started well

But yet again a couple if individual mistakes cost us

Battled back well enough and on another day could have got a draw against a top side who simply have better players than us

Yet again I find it difficult to understand all the grief Appleton is getting

Granted most of its probably from people who didn't go to the game, , but that's not the point

Anyway he's going nowhere so get used to it and I've heard there are 3 or 4 new signings lined up

Let's hope he can strengthen the midfield as that's the problem
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Yup I managed a near PB back to Wirral too - Liverpool eerily quiet tonight driving back through👍
Lots of fight on show tonight and it is just frustrating that mistakes and a lack of individuals concentration and anticipation cost us at vital moments. The formation was, let's face it, a bit weird to say the least. I'd have started Kenny and just one or other of the two young lads, who are promising but don't yet have the nous to boss the midfield. I'd have put an actual winger on the wing, nothing against Beesley but it all looked a bit crowded up there, with Jerry in particular looking a bit lost.

The half time boos and second half chants were embarrassing. I find it hard to see how anyone who waited out the boycott for four and a half years or more could sing that kind of stuff to a struggling manager of our own club, live in front of the Sky audience. Made us look a right bunch of cockers if you ask me. Save it for the end next time if you still feel the need, you'll still get your point across.

Whether Atherton goes or is backed, the window is vital. If we can't trade our bag of midfield crocks for someone who can do a job and stay uninjured, we've got a big problem. If we do find someone to fit the bill, that and the addition of a bit of Seamus style full back play from our new lad Andy Lyons will see us up the table.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
Hope so. Cameo player who is adored by all for some reason. Not good enough.
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I have said his weaknesses before and got called out by the avftt massive. He has very little pace. So much so it can be a bit of a problem. His passing has gone recently. Not the best in the tackle and not big and strong.

He's only a kid and will improve some aspects of his game though. Also he's playing in a side low on confidence, whoch can affect you, especially at a young age.
 
The problem at the moment is we're not good enough and that's why we make individual errors that put us on the wrong side of scorelines. But there are also odd selections and line ups that really don't help. And the second goal was alarming for how far the guy could run unchallenged after Carey's slip. That concerns me because a team fully focused and playing for the coach and each other doesn't let that happen.

Roll on the window because we need quality and fast. A stronger midfield will bring more out of Patino. He's a kid, learning the game and it's daft to expect him to lead the midfield.
 
It's amazing how blinkered some people can be. That performance was woeful, other than effort it was lacking in any real quality or tactical nouse. Our central midfield is weak, playing strikers on the wing, Madine isolated and our defence totally exposed. Yet you think playing 3 strikers and a winger in the middle of the pitch brave. I'd call it desperately poor tactics. Appleton is as clueless as the goons still backing him.
 
straightatthewall said:
The problem at the moment is we're not good enough and that's why we make individual errors that put us on the wrong side of scorelines. But there are also odd selections and line ups that really don't help. And the second goal was alarming for how far the guy could run unchallenged after Carey's slip. That concerns me because a team fully focused and playing for the coach and each other doesn't let that happen.

Roll on the window because we need quality and fast. A stronger midfield will bring more out of Patino. He's a kid, learning the game and it's daft to expect him to lead the midfield.
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Straights the aim is to progress the team 10/15% each season..slowly building to what’s required over say 3 to 4 years…. I agree we are now a weaker team than when we came up and are playing in a stronger league…..a lot of catching up to do just to survive never mind to progress.
 
We got beat by a side who let’s face it didn’t play that well & didn’t get out of 2nd gear yet that was enough to fairly comfortably beat us.

Worrying
 
Towerpower99 said:
Straights the aim is to progress the team 10/15% each season..slowly building to what’s required over say 3 to 4 years…. I agree we are now a weaker team than when we came up and are playing in a stronger league…..a lot of catching up to do just to survive never mind to progress.
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I agree, but I’m not sure that was the remit set out when we were appointing a new Manager.

21st is fine i think was the message.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I agree, but I’m not sure that was the remit set out when we were appointing a new Manager.

21st is fine i think was the message.
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AK if this year was marked down as a “Holding”year then the Board need to step up and secure that aim….time to act.
 
Towerpower99 said:
AK if this year was marked down as a “Holding”year then the Board need to step up and secure that aim….time to act.
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Totally agree, for that reason they will give the manager every chance.

It’s got Grayson 2020 written all over it.

Back him, if it’s still not great, see you later.
 
They can try all they want but doesn’t alter the fact the players lack quality and the manager hung them out to dry.
Beesley is not a winger
Patino is far too weak to be a defensive midfielder.
Carey shouldn’t be in a midfield two.
 
I can only imagine the grief you’d have given Critchley if we were second bottom with him in charge.

Difference is, you’ve come out and said you’re happy with Crappleton and now you have to stand by your word, no matter how poorly judged it was.
 
Agree with some posters here - singing sacked in the morning does nothing for the lads on the pitch - whilst effort isn’t enough on its own in this league , at least they are putting the effort in and deservedly got applause at the end for their effort .

If we need 9 more wins from the next 22 games , then having won none of the last eight is seriously worrying - big decisions to be made in the next couple of weeks
 
A lot of these players deemed not good enough and lacking quality seemed to be doing ok last year. I wonder what has happened between this season and last??
 
Adams Kebab said:
We had lots of people telling us he shouldn’t of brought Thorniley on at Hull because we had Dom Thompson there who’s a proper left back…

Quiet after that one. I would love to know his decision making process on that 2nd goal. Shocking.
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At first I thought Thompson should have come across to challenge but then they had players streaming forward through the middle with our players already out of position due to the woeful free kick from Carey struggling to get back so a simple ball before Thompson could get there would also opened us up.I still think he should have come across but he didn’t.
The issue was Carey falling over left us wide open to the counter attack.
Yesterday real issues were our midfield( sic) couldn’t lay a glove on them and lacked the physicality of a genuine anchor man( we are simply to lightweight in this area of the pitch right now) and our shocking passing especially the first half where we gave the ball away time after time ( and not for the first time this season either).
These judgements are based on watching the game on Sky(Now ) TV as I have said before I no longer do night games as they are too much for me these days with the travel and late arrival home( getting old sadly😢).
I will be over all being well for the Sunderland game but not sure what to expect.

The curse of the Home night games unfortunately continues….can’t remember our last home midweek league win but certainly a stream of defeats.
 
Adams Kebab said:
We had lots of people telling us he shouldn’t of brought Thorniley on at Hull because we had Dom Thompson there who’s a proper left back…

Quiet after that one. I would love to know his decision making process on that 2nd goal. Shocking.
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Watched it back this morning hoping to get a better understanding of his decision making....nope he's clueless.
 
NewburyOne said:
It's amazing how blinkered some people can be. That performance was woeful, other than effort it was lacking in any real quality or tactical nouse. Our central midfield is weak, playing strikers on the wing, Madine isolated and our defence totally exposed. Yet you think playing 3 strikers and a winger in the middle of the pitch brave. I'd call it desperately poor tactics. Appleton is as clueless as the goons still backing him.
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I actually think the blinkered people are the ones expecting us to play like 1970s Brazil with a team playing their second season in the Championship with one of the lowest budgets in the league and missing key players in key positions

At the start of the season we needed a right back, still not got one, we needed strength in centre midfield, not got that either and we needed a proper creative replacement for Bowler (our best players by a million miles)

We played OK last night against one of the best teams in the league, the players probably played to their maximum ability

We just got edged out be a better side after having more possession and more shots
 
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Tangerine_Dream said:
I can only imagine the grief you’d have given Critchley if we were second bottom with him in charge.

Difference is, you’ve come out and said you’re happy with Crappleton and now you have to stand by your word, no matter how poorly judged it was.
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It's not poorly judged at all

Critchley had backing from the board Appleton hasn't had that

So I will judge the manager once he can get some better players in
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
They can try all they want but doesn’t alter the fact the players lack quality and the manager hung them out to dry.
Beesley is not a winger
Patino is far too weak to be a defensive midfielder.
Carey shouldn’t be in a midfield two.
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So you keep saying but what other options did we have?
 
NewburyOne said:
It's amazing how blinkered some people can be. That performance was woeful, other than effort it was lacking in any real quality or tactical nouse. Our central midfield is weak, playing strikers on the wing, Madine isolated and our defence totally exposed. Yet you think playing 3 strikers and a winger in the middle of the pitch brave. I'd call it desperately poor tactics. Appleton is as clueless as the goons still backing him.
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That's how I see it. I chanted, and urged them on etc bit I just don't believe in this manager. I think that's where the players are re trying. They try but don't believe in him or his coaches
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I actually think the blinkered people are the ones expecting us to play like 1970s Brazil with a team playing their second season in the Championship with one of the lowest budgets in the league and missing key players in key positions

At the start of the season we needed a right back, still not got one, we needed strength in centre midfield, not got that either and we needed a proper creative replacement for Bowler (our best players by a million miles)

We played OK last night against one of the best teams in the league, the players probably played to their maximum ability

We just got edged out be a better side
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Don’t forget the centre forward either mate 👍🏼
 
Our passing is an absolute horror show, we panic with passing backwards and a lot of the time we don’t put enough pace on the ball (confidence?) then hoof it to madine who does ok but generally there’s nobody with 10 yards of him, no body expecting a flick on and no link up play. This has been a huge problem all season for me and if I can see it why aren’t we doing anything about it? I’ve said before I don’t understand our system, we play 433 yet barely ever run past players on the wings and swing in deliveries, almost like we get the ball out then attempt to pass it backwards.

It truly is awful to watch, we really do or look a very poor team. Wether that’s confidence or purely we’re shit I’m not 100%. Said the other day this period of 6 league games is huge with the transfer window, if we keep Appleton and don’t pick up much needed points we will be marooned at the bottom and then it will be too late to get rid of him.

Nothing I see inspires me on the pitch, Grimmy did well with that 2nd half save and is our no.1 no doubt, Thomson looks like he runs around like a headless chicken and does as much right as wrong, ek looked much better last night. Poveda looked decent and wanted the ball, Patino wants the ball but nobody is that good around him and I almost feel sorry for him currently playing for a team of cloggers in a desperate run of form, beesley I don’t get so far, Christ knows why he was played in that position as literally didn’t effect the game in the slightest, madine did well enough but doesn’t half give away ALOT of stupid fouls away, Yates looked good in a couple of moments but again he’s playing in the wrong position.

IMO we’re crying out for 442, more protection for defence, 2 strikers closer together and please put pace on the wings to get quality balls into the box. Why can’t we give it a try rather than plying players completely out of position, no pace anywhere and a lightweight midfield that can’t cope
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's the lack of a midfield partner that worries me
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Agree - losing Patino would be a massive set back. Can't believe the negative stuff about him. Virtually the only player who can control a ball under pressure, and he gets stuck in. Carey not cutting it for me, culminating in a needless panic slip - but we should've caught their player. As we all agree, midfield has been the problem for 2-3 years.
 
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