Just Call Me Dave

I am surprised Sunak hasn't brought Maggie back as Home Secretary.

So at the Tory party conference he said he was the leader of change and was going to be different from the 13 years of incompetence that had gone on previously. Then he brings Dave back.
 
bollieboy said:
I am surprised Sunak hasn't brought Maggie back as Home Secretary.

So at the Tory party conference he said he was the leader of change and was going to be different from the 13 years of incompetence that had gone on previously. Then he brings Dave back.
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Personally it would have to be DIsraeli brought back into the cabinet. one of queen victorias top boys.
 
bollieboy said:
I am surprised Sunak hasn't brought Maggie back as Home Secretary.

So at the Tory party conference he said he was the leader of change and was going to be different from the 13 years of incompetence that had gone on previously. Then he brings Dave back.
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I thought Sunak was going to bring him back as the Brexit Minister !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Cameron and Osborne were renowned for cuddling up close to China and trying to bring in their investment for our infrastructure needs. And Netanyahu called Cameron the most pro-Israeli of all the UK’s PMs he knew in supporting the West Bank takeover.

While the EU Commission totally rejected, without a care, Cameron’s pre-Brexit overtures in improving the UK’s deal. So he foolishly called the Brexit referendum, putting Party prospects (vis-a-vis UKIP) above the country’s interests.

So Cameron has a fair amount of foreign policy experience, but I am not sure it is praiseworthy or the right kind. It’s a bit like inviting the arsonist back into the house.
 
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zico_bamber said:
How weird. Reappears from nowhere and isn't even an MP
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He is an MP but not an elected one. He's been made a peer to accommodate him in the Government. Even so, it's been 41 years since a Foreign Secretary was appointed from the House of Lords. That was Peter Carrington, who carried the can for the Falkland's disaster - he resigned - whilst the toadying junior Minister (John Knott) didn't.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
He is an MP but not an elected one. He's been made a peer to accommodate him in the Government. Even so, it's been 41 years since a Foreign Secretary was appointed from the House of Lords. That was Peter Carrington, who carried the can for the Falkland's disaster - he resigned - whilst the toadying junior Minister (John Knott) didn't.
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Sorry to be a pedant, but he was Peter Carington (one ‘r’) and also Lord Carrington (two ‘r’ s). These upper class affectations are so confusing.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
He is an MP but not an elected one. He's been made a peer to accommodate him in the Government. Even so, it's been 41 years since a Foreign Secretary was appointed from the House of Lords. That was Peter Carrington, who carried the can for the Falkland's disaster - he resigned - whilst the toadying junior Minister (John Knott) didn't.
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Well he’ll be good company for the unelected prime minister. Wouldn’t be surprised if elections are banned before the next election. What’s the point of them anyway
 
Well they are going to get hardly any votes anyway, however, you have to hope Labour get their act together because they can be as inept in house too. They will take over an utter shit show too, it will take years to put right and they will make their own monumental fuck ups too. I would prefer a Labour/Lib dem coalition

There all a bit cringe to be honest.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Sorry to be a pedant, but he was Peter Carington (one ‘r’) and also Lord Carrington (two ‘r’ s). These upper class affectations are so confusing.
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Actually it was even more complicated than that. He sat in the House of Lords as the hereditary peer the 6th Baron Carrington. But when the right of hereditary peers to sit in the HoL was removed by Blair in 1999, he was made a life peer with the title Lord Carington of Upton.
 
It's pretty desperate stuff. I'm not sure giving the post of foreign secretary to the man who had to resign because the nation voted against the main point of his foreign policy when PM, is the best of ideas. Although I must say it'll be amusing to see the ERG's reaction, especially Mark Francois.

They're trying absolutely everything to affect the polls, but they just aren't budging. I think the Liz Truss appointment and the subsequent chaos she caused with her stupidity, was the final straw for many. And that's on the Tory party membership, who were hell bent on keeping Sunak out as he stabbed their darling Boris in the back. In doing so, they've pretty much ensured their power will end at the next election. An act of self harm due to bitterness.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The Junior Minister has to field the questions. For me it stinks. All of the top 5 Ministerial positions should be held by elected MPs in the Commons: PM, Deputy PM, Home Sec, Foreign Sec and Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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Stinks is a bit strong as it is not the first time this has happened.

I would go with not ideal - it shows how desperate old Rishi is though.
 
seasideone said:
Stinks is a bit strong as it is not the first time this has happened.

I would go with not ideal - it shows how desperate old Rishi is though.
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Not being anti for the sake of it One, and at one time I might have agreed with you. However, democracy is increasingly grabbing the headlines for being a weak form of government, with populists on the front foot, challenging election results and looking further right-wing for strong, autocratic government. We don't need to give it a hand by appointing an unelected bloke off the street to one of the senior offices of State.
 
Wizaard said:
Remind me who was in charge and enabled Brexit in a failed attempt to unite his party?
He'll be a popular face at meetings with our European allies
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Lets judge his performance with our European allies when he picks up the baton to take us out of the Court of Human Rights, now that will be interesting.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not being anti for the sake of it One, and at one time I might have agreed with you. However, democracy is increasingly grabbing the headlines for being a weak form of government, with populists on the front foot, challenging election results and looking further right-wing for strong, autocratic government. We don't need to give it a hand by appointing an unelected bloke off the street to one of the senior offices of State.
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It’s within the law and has been for a very long time, I am not saying it’s right but just trying to see all sides.

American politics (which you refer) is definitely broken and I fear how long before it gets more like it in the UK.

The reality is the quality of MPs we have is generally poor at the moment when you compare to the past - the people on all sides are not fit to run a bath let alone the UK!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not being anti for the sake of it One, and at one time I might have agreed with you. However, democracy is increasingly grabbing the headlines for being a weak form of government, with populists on the front foot, challenging election results and looking further right-wing for strong, autocratic government. We don't need to give it a hand by appointing an unelected bloke off the street to one of the senior offices of State.
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It’s happened before (Peter Carrington, Peter Mandelson). The problem is politics across all Parties is shambolic to say the least and never have l seen as many weak and incapable cabinet and shadow cabinet members!
 
Little Lord Pigfucker still owes me £7k from when he raised the OAP age from 65-66.
Thought we'd heard the last of him after getting caught out trying to jump in on the back of the lucrative COVID contracts.
 
tangerine_neil said:
All this nonsense might trigger another leadership challenge from the Tory far right
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I think it could in theory. Braverman might have the support of enough MPs to trigger a confidence vote (I think it’s 15% so circa 48?) and she might well be voted in as leader by the membership - they thought Truss was a good idea after all.

But that presupposes she wants to be leader going into the election. If she loses she’d be out. Maybe it’s better for her to let Sunak loose, consolidate her position in the party and the country while in opposition, and run in a few years time?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
news.sky.com

David Cameron's Greensill connection risks haunting ex-PM's return to government

Sky's Ian King writes that the fallout from the Greensill affair is far from over and will be seen by Labour as a whipping stick for Mr Cameron's back.
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It's not a good look, politically he was a disaster - his two main policies have made things worse for many (Brexit, austerity). And then caught trying to cash in on his contacts made in government in a way that borders on being illegal. The Greensill story is still live as well. The government is in the same position as a pigs head after a Bullingdon club bash - completely f**ked.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think it could in theory. Braverman might have the support of enough MPs to trigger a confidence vote (I think it’s 15% so circa 48?) and she might well be voted in as leader by the membership - they thought Truss was a good idea after all.

But that presupposes she wants to be leader going into the election. If she loses she’d be out. Maybe it’s better for her to let Sunak loose, consolidate her position in the party and the country while in opposition, and run in a few years time?
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Mexboroseasider said:
I think it could in theory. Braverman might have the support of enough MPs to trigger a confidence vote (I think it’s 15% so circa 48?) and she might well be voted in as leader by the membership - they thought Truss was a good idea after all.

But that presupposes she wants to be leader going into the election. If she loses she’d be out. Maybe it’s better for her to let Sunak loose, consolidate her position in the party and the country while in opposition, and run in a few years time?
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That’s her Plan A, why move now when she can ride the white charger post the next GE should the Tories lose of course!
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
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I think I was working on out of date figures for the number of MPs. Although there are also the by elections and MPs who’ve lost the whip to consider.

However that’s just to trigger the vote of no confidence. Sunak would presumably have to lose it was well, so even more MPs would have to vote against him, before it starts a new leadership election.
 
TangerineBayern said:
Lets judge his performance with our European allies when he picks up the baton to take us out of the Court of Human Rights, now that will be interesting.
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Why would we want to do that?

Ah yes, another excuse to make the lot of the working person more shit.
 
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