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To the station. Despite the best efforts of the boys in blue. Kettle us in then allow nobbers to chuck stuff over the vans. Useless.

Well what can you say? I thought we never got into it, Madine as a lone striker was never there, and with Bowler and Connolly failing to gel, we were always going to struggle.

We can argue all we like that Archer should have got a minimum of a yellow for as late a challenge as you'll ever see, while Whiteman and Johnson were lucky to avoid a second yellow, but that was symptomatic of them wanting it more and going that bit harder than us.

I do wonder if it gives the ref pause for thought that he can add 11 minutes injury time on after giving a drop ball. Did he even consider, in all that time that he could actually change his decision? Bizarre.

Anyway, 2 1 on aggregate beats the scum.

Onwards and upwards and bring on Ewood Park.
 
It's hard to sum up. I don't doubt the desire was there but too many poor individual performances with perhaps the biggest one by Critch;ey with his team selection, That said, as some-one made the point, Bowler and CJ or Keshi seem to be far more effective when backed up by Gabriel and Sterling or even James and Garbutt who have far more idea of gong forward to help than either Husband and Connolly do in the full back position.
 
I'm not sure what side Critch was meant to pick, with Stewart, Sterling, Gabriel, Garbutt etc all out injured. Connolly was the only option at RB, Robson and Dougall the only options in CM. I wouldn't have picked CJ but that's about it.

I also thought Preston were allowed to stop us repeatedly with methods that were borderline at best, throughout the game. We clearly need to strengthen in midfield and up front, but we need better fortune in the injury dept too.
 
voyeur said:
I'm not sure what side Critch was meant to pick, with Stewart, Sterling, Gabriel, Garbutt etc all out injured. Connolly was the only option at RB, Robson and Dougall the only options in CM. I wouldn't have picked CJ but that's about it.

I also thought Preston were allowed to stop us repeatedly with methods that were borderline at best, throughout the game. We clearly need to strengthen in midfield and up front, but we need better fortune in the injury dept too.
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He could have played 2 strikers for a start
 
Philbfctrois said:
He could have played 2 strikers for a start
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Yes I would have left CJ out and started Lavery. That's about it.

We were the better side second half without creating much but the likes of Bowler and Keshi were just wrestled the whole time with nothing from the ref. Preston offered nowt, just spoiling tactics that should have been handled by the ref. In my opinion.
 
voyeur said:
I'm not sure what side Critch was meant to pick, with Stewart, Sterling, Gabriel, Garbutt etc all out injured. Connolly was the only option at RB, Robson and Dougall the only options in CM. I wouldn't have picked CJ but that's about it.

I also thought Preston were allowed to stop us repeatedly with methods that were borderline at best, throughout the game. We clearly need to strengthen in midfield and up front, but we need better fortune in the injury dept too.
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Agree with this post more than any I’ve read tonight.

They needed to bully us to win and it worked. Their goal was clinical, our attempts weren’t.

I’m very disappointed but I don’t think the team can be accused of not wanting it.
 
Graves said:
Agree with this post more than any I’ve read tonight.

They needed to bully us to win and it worked. Their goal was clinical, our attempts weren’t.

I’m very disappointed but I don’t think the team can be accused of not wanting it.
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We have an improving team and an improving club and we are all bitterly disappointed with tonight but why do so many people turn against people at these times? It's weakness in my opinion. Spoilt behaviour. Stick by people. Support them. They have done great this season and we will get better, there's so much effort going in and we have punched above our financial weight. Preston have spent millions they don't have but they are shit, resorted to dodgy tactics tonight and got away with it. I feel.
 
Philbfctrois said:
He could have played 2 strikers for a start
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It was too negative and players tbh just aren't seeing forward passes.

I see cj and Bowler stood wide and rather then run at their player and hope a through ball is put though they stand still and get the ball facing the wrong way and go back.

Frustrating to watch.

Need to improve in midfield, not enough who can pick a pass, not enough nous in the side.
 
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voyeur said:
We have an improving team and an improving club and we are all bitterly disappointed with tonight but why do so many people turn against people at these times? It's weakness in my opinion. Spoilt behaviour. Stick by people. Support them. They have done great this season and we will get better, there's so much effort going in and we have punched above our financial weight. Preston have spent millions they don't have but they are shit, resorted to dodgy tactics tonight and got away with it. I feel.
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Because we have gone down with a fight against our hated local rivals…… what don’t you get about that? 😡
 
Martonmosser said:
90 minutes without a shot on target…… what don’t you agree with?
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That we went down without a fight. Go and have a kip and calm down and try to regain some objectivity. How was Bowler treated tonight, for one? Fouled over and over again. As were others. We were in top throughout the second half but got manhandled the whole time. At least two pke players should have had second yellows. The ref didn't fancy it.
 
voyeur said:
I'm not sure what side Critch was meant to pick, with Stewart, Sterling, Gabriel, Garbutt etc all out injured. Connolly was the only option at RB, Robson and Dougall the only options in CM. I wouldn't have picked CJ but that's about it.
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no, there were more choices than that. Connolly could have played in midfield where he's played a good few times this season and is used to playing there with some success.. Rather than bring Robson back in who as I said was barely noticeable in the game. He could also have put Virtue there. James could also have gone into right back where he's played earlier this season. All semantics I know, but there were options/choices.
But the biggest gripe for me was not playing another striker up front with Madine. CJ has gone back to being the player I thought he alwats was which is not good enough for the Championship and Keshi is still getting back to match fitness. This one lone striker seldom works. What position was K eshi meant to play because he offered neither support to Madine or availability in the no 10 role to pick it up from our defensive midfielders. There was so much wrong with the performance today and I think a lot of it is down to Critch. I understand the need to take into account how the opposition play but perhaps he just tinkers too much at times. And just like Forest he seems to have watched a different game to the fans and pundits.
 
20togo said:
no, there were more choices than that. Connolly could have played in midfield where he's played a good few times this season and is used to playing there with some success.. Rather than bring Robson back in who as I said was barely noticeable in the game. He could also have put Virtue there. James could also have gone into right back where he's played earlier this season. All semantics I know, but there were options/choices.
But the biggest gripe for me was not playing another striker up front with Madine. CJ has gone back to being the player I thought he alwats was which is not good enough for the Championship and Keshi is still getting back to match fitness. This one lone striker seldom works. What position was K eshi meant to play because he offered neither support to Madine or availability in the no 10 role to pick it up from our defensive midfielders. There was so much wrong with the performance today and I think a lot of it is down to Critch. I understand the need to take into account how the opposition play but perhaps he just tinkers too much at times. And just like Forest he seems to have watched a different game to the fans and pundits.
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Very limited options. Very tight game. Loads of fouling. Few chances at either end. Scrappy derby. Half an hour with two strikers.
 
voyeur said:
That we went down without a fight. Go and have a kip and calm down and try to regain some objectivity. How was Bowler treated tonight, for one? Fouled over and over again. As were others. We were in top throughout the second half but got manhandled the whole time. At least two pke players should have had second yellows. The ref didn't fancy it.
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Swansea were on top against us and didn't do a thing . Just because we had plenty of the ball doesn't mean we were on top, We didn't do a thing, we weren't creative, didn't have a shot, never mind one on target, It was poor voyeur.
 
20togo said:
Swansea were on top against us and didn't do a thing . Just because we had plenty of the ball doesn't mean we were on top, We didn't do a thing, we weren't creative, didn't have a shot, never mind one on target, It was poor voyeur.
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It wasn't a great performance but there's a big over reaction, as usual. It was a tight derby game, cancelled each other out. One moment win the game, Preston broke the rules constantly.
 
Maybe its just me but I don't think Madine as a lone striker is any way positive at all, he's most effective when the ball is played in the air to him so he can outmuscle defenders, but if he hasn't got a 2nd striker who can play off his flicks and knock downs what's the point?

We were second best again tonight but the big difference is on Saturday we were second best to a quality side, tonight we lost to a very average side, we barely created a thing all night and it hardly fills me with hope facing Rovers away on Saturday.

Over to you Critch.
 
20togo said:
Swansea were on top against us and didn't do a thing . Just because we had plenty of the ball doesn't mean we were on top, We didn't do a thing, we weren't creative, didn't have a shot, never mind one on target, It was poor voyeur.
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It was. Players weren't running into space. Everything was safety first.

I'm not over reacting, just saying what I saw. We didn't turn up as an attacking force. Such is life.
 
The ref was weak but in a way that is looking for help and excuses. pne should have had at least 1 red maybe 2 for consistent foul play but we didn't do enough so we should probably concentrate on our own performances and not the refs.
Madine as a lone striker is a waste of time because he can't run, please Critchley never do this again.
Yates and Lavery have to find a way to play in the same side.
Headed goals from open play happen so rarely so why the need for a 6 4 centre forward that is slower than most centre backs.
How good were we when we played a 4 3 3 against Liverpool in the 1st half at Anfield in that friendly, why abandon that style of play?
Critchley has lost his way, ditch the big immobile slow centre forward, find some positive thinking central midfield players and make the most of your quicker mobile forwards.
The owner if he has it should maybe spend a bit of money, if he hasn't then Critchley needs a new game plan because Madine as a spearhead is not going to win us many games.
 
td53 said:
It was a poor performance. Tepid.
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It was a poor game, badly reffed. Difficult to play in those circumstances. We were weakened by losing Stewart and Connolly from midfield, and playing Madine up front on his own doesn't work. He was meant to get but Bowler and Keshi were pretty much fouled out of the game, from where I was sitting, on my son's sofa, naturally. Just my perspective.
 
voyeur said:
It was a poor fame. Badly reffed. Difficult to play in those circumstances. We were weakened by losing Stewart and Connolly from midfield, and playing Madine up front on his own doesn't work. He was meant to get support support but Bowler and Keshi were pretty much fouled out of the fane, from where I was sitting, on my son's sofa, naturally. Just my perspective.
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It was a poor performance. We never really disturbed their rhythm, we didn't take players on, we played at a pedestrian pace. We didn't try anything to change it, cycling players behind Madine, pushing Keshi up, that sort of thing. The midfielders were both in a pocket in front of the defence which left a yawning gap and frankly, Keshi looked leggy as fuck after about 50 mins.

Sorry, it's fine to see it differently and I'm usually one to take a constructive view but I just thought we were a bit crap. Yes, that's likely down to the injuries, but even so, I dunno, I didn't really see us having a go. We looked like we were trying not to lose and then when we went a goal down, it took 50 minutes to actually get into gear to attack.
 
Graves said:
Agree with this post more than any I’ve read tonight.

They needed to bully us to win and it worked. Their goal was clinical, our attempts weren’t.

I’m very disappointed but I don’t think the team can be accused of not wanting it.
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We had no attempts
 
voyeur said:
It wasn't a great performance but there's a big over reaction, as usual. It was a tight derby game, cancelled each other out. One moment win the game, Preston broke the rules constantly.
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It's a derby game that we've waited more than a decade for, if you can't have a big over reaction to such a meek display like that then when can you?
We have to make choices for next season and while I'm forever grateful to be safe it means this was THE game left with the pressure on to see how players react.
 
The bottom line is we're on an upward trend, can play an awful lot better and have a bright future to look forward to.

Their owners are desperate to sell, their team was full of loanees in key positions who won't be there next season and they're stagnant, at best.

Stick with it Pool.
 
Connely in midfield may have offered a bit more bite . However we all know nobend had their best side out where as we were missing key players so say alot for them and the money they have thrown down the gurgler .
 
voyeur said:
That we went down without a fight. Go and have a kip and calm down and try to regain some objectivity. How was Bowler treated tonight, for one? Fouled over and over again. As were others. We were in top throughout the second half but got manhandled the whole time. At least two pke players should have had second yellows. The ref didn't fancy it.
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You mention weakness from supporters, but that ran through the team. Too nice, too soft. Most teams we play against will regularly foul and take bookings to stop our attacks but we’ve not had a booking last night in a Derby we are getting beat in for one half.

Fly into someone, give it that Archer, do something after he’s injured our keeper and then celebrated in-front of us . They broke for the goal from edge of their box, stop the play ffs. It happened Saturday on the 1st goal. Dougall gives the ball away and then he’s close to the touchline to win it back v Johnson and he’s too weak dangled a leg and they break and score. Knock him in the fuckin stand. Regroup and go again.

Weak as piss we were, I’ll support the players all day long and we have done brilliant this season and we are punching but let’s not hide behind last night we were too soft.

However, if you has said to me at 6pm we’ll be finishing the game with Robson and Virtue at centre midfield I would have laughed/cried.
 
It was a poor game from both sides. I'm not a big fan of the big man up top and certainly not of Madine but Yates has been poor this season and Lavery hot and cold so we have stuck with what to a point has worked but surely we need another striker.
Midfield looked awful today but then without Stewart it always does bar a few months with Wintle in there who's not here anymore and I'm sure it's why we were after a cm in January cos we really need an upgrade there.
Creativity has been an issue even last season, we just don't create a lot or score a lot, another area in bad need of a new player.
Having said all that, we have had a pretty decent first season back and it's an ongoing process cos we are pretty skint in footballing terms. Just gonna take some time.
 
Midfield is our major problem. I'm fairly happy with defensive options but the service to our front men is non existent. Madine Yates Lavery all got poor service. I can't see what CJ brings to the team and would like to see the new additions given a go. Plus Critchley seems to see a different game to me. Need big improvement on Saturday. Up the pool
 
Wizaard said:
The bottom line is we're on an upward trend, can play an awful lot better and have a bright future to look forward to.

Their owners are desperate to sell, their team was full of loanees in key positions who won't be there next season and they're stagnant, at best.

Stick with it Pool.
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Pretty much sums things up.
 
Wizaard said:
To the station. Despite the best efforts of the boys in blue. Kettle us in then allow nobbers to chuck stuff over the vans. Useless.

Well what can you say? I thought we never got into it, Madine as a lone striker was never there, and with Bowler and Connolly failing to gel, we were always going to struggle.

We can argue all we like that Archer should have got a minimum of a yellow for as late a challenge as you'll ever see, while Whiteman and Johnson were lucky to avoid a second yellow, but that was symptomatic of them wanting it more and going that bit harder than us.

I do wonder if it gives the ref pause for thought that he can add 11 minutes injury time on after giving a drop ball. Did he even consider, in all that time that he could actually change his decision? Bizarre.

Anyway, 2 1 on aggregate beats the scum.

Onwards and upwards and bring on Ewood Park.
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You talk some crap wizard .
The ref was giving you every thing.
Our CH won every thing in the air .we did a job on bowler & he never got a kick.
We hit the bar twice & there was a blatant hand ball 2 nd half .
Archer it was a 50 / 50
Ball all day long with the goal keeper .
I have just looked at your highlight & it’s all us . Bad losers the lot of you we made you look bad 0 shots on target.
Over fans can make a Atmosphere & they can turn up in there numbers .
You lot talk a good game .
 
I don't take any notice of any managers post match team talks really, no manager worth their salt is gonna slaughter the team after losing and to expect them to or to be negative about the is just never gonna happen. What they say in public and private though will be chalk and cheese
 
Livingthedream47 said:
You talk some crap wizard .
The ref was giving you every thing.
Our CH won every thing in the air .we did a job on bowler & he never got a kick.
We hit the bar twice & there was a blatant hand ball 2 nd half .
Archer it was a 50 / 50
Ball all day long with the goal keeper .
I have just looked at your highlight & it’s all us . Bad losers the lot of you we made you look bad 0 shots on target.
Over fans can make a Atmosphere & they can turn up in there numbers .
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Talk a player kicked unconscious for 10 minutes, for which the ref gave a drop ball.

50 50 my arse. He had the ball and your loan player left a leg in when he could have avoided contact.





Just fuck off. We won 2-1.
 
Livingthedream47 said:
You talk some crap wizard .
The ref was giving you every thing.
Our CH won every thing in the air .we did a job on bowler & he never got a kick.
We hit the bar twice & there was a blatant hand ball 2 nd half .
Archer it was a 50 / 50
Ball all day long with the goal keeper .
I have just looked at your highlight & it’s all us . Bad losers the lot of you we made you look bad 0 shots on target.
Over fans can make a Atmosphere & they can turn up in there numbers .
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What about the Rugby tackle on Bowler?
Whiteman should have clearly got a second yellow for that over the ball tackle on Dougall and Archer knew exactly what he was doing when kicking Grimshaw in the head and got away with it.
It would have been nice had Archer even bothered to walk over to see how Grimshaw was and even at the very least say sorry.
2 poor teams (again) but I’ve no gripe with the result you deserved it.
 
For me the weakest link last night was the mid-field. I think back to the Charlie goal against the Nobbers (and others) when he picks the ball up in -mid-field drives forward with strength and determination. King Kenny takes 2 steps forward then plays the ball backwards. Robson was simply annoymous.
I said earlier that CJ and Hubby aren't players for the future. They proved that.
As for one up front if we have to play that way then it has to be Lavery.
Bowler's back to his old self, unfortunately, and looks fed up to me.
Team selection was odd. We performed badly early season with Connolly at RB but I accept that was outside Critch's control.
 
Insider said:
For me the weakest link last night was the mid-field. I think back to the Charlie goal against the Nobbers (and others) when he picks the ball up in -mid-field drives forward with strength and determination. King Kenny takes 2 steps forward then plays the ball backwards. Robson was simply annoymous.
I said earlier that CJ and Hubby aren't players for the future. They proved that.
As for one up front if we have to play that way then it has to be Lavery.
Bowler's back to his old self, unfortunately, and looks fed up to me.
Team selection was odd. We performed badly early season with Connolly at RB but I accept that was outside Critch's control.
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Completely agree.
We've been completely overrun in midfield in our last 2 games Dougall has had 2 mares and the introduction of Robson last night was just baffling.
Think we just need to move Bowler on now in the summer as his mind just looks somewhere else these days.
Massive clear out for me in the summer unfortunately we have several players in our squad who aren’t up for another season in the Championship I just hope Critchley sees it that way as well.
 
You cant win games of football if you dont shoot or create any chances whoever your playing knobbers looked a bang average team last night but they created a few chances we were bang average but created nothing we cant cross and wont shoot.
 
We had 54% possession and 8 shots to their 12. 0 on target to their 2. 3 corners each. 9 fouls to their 17 with a ref who chose to overlook Preston's constant holding of players.
 
slept on it. Pretty much same as I thought last night. You can accept defeat against Forest because on the day they were much better than us and even though individual mistakes were made which proved costly, overall you could see how good a team Forest played. Lat night was certainly not the case. The nobbers were shiite and are shiite but we played appallingly at a slow tempo and didn't know how to up our game. Said recently we are one dimensional in terms of that it's a case of get the ball wide and see what the wide players can do. And yesterday it was norhing again, but we just kept on persisting with it, Critchley has to take responsibility for that. Sure he brought another striker on but it didn't change the way we played. We either continued to hoof it long or tried to get it wide to what on the day were two ineffective wide men. We had no creativity in the centre of midfield. People on here think Keshi can play the no 10 role. On the evidence of last night he's nowhere near right for that role.
 
20togo said:
no, there were more choices than that. Connolly could have played in midfield where he's played a good few times this season and is used to playing there with some success.. Rather than bring Robson back in who as I said was barely noticeable in the game. He could also have put Virtue there. James could also have gone into right back where he's played earlier this season. All semantics I know, but there were options/choices.
But the biggest gripe for me was not playing another striker up front with Madine. CJ has gone back to being the player I thought he alwats was which is not good enough for the Championship and Keshi is still getting back to match fitness. This one lone striker seldom works. What position was K eshi meant to play because he offered neither support to Madine or availability in the no 10 role to pick it up from our defensive midfielders. There was so much wrong with the performance today and I think a lot of it is down to Critch. I understand the need to take into account how the opposition play but perhaps he just tinkers too much at times. And just like Forest he seems to have watched a different game to the fans and pundits.
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I much prefer Connolly in midfield and think he could do a really good job for us next season. As for last night, who would you have put in at right-back?
 
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20togo said:
slept on it. Pretty much same as I thought last night. You can accept defeat against Forest because on the day they were much better than us and even though individual mistakes were made which proved costly, overall you could see how good a team Forest played. Lat night was certainly not the case. The nobbers were shiite and are shiite but we played appallingly at a slow tempo and didn't know how to up our game. Said recently we are one dimensional in terms of that it's a case of get the ball wide and see what the wide players can do. And yesterday it was norhing again, but we just kept on persisting with it, Critchley has to take responsibility for that. Sure he brought another striker on but it didn't change the way we played. We either continued to hoof it long or tried to get it wide to what on the day were two ineffective wide men. We had no creativity in the centre of midfield. People on here think Keshi can play the no 10 role. On the evidence of last night he's nowhere near right for that role.
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Anderson was much better when he moved out wide after Hamilton went off. Did nothing playing behind Madine but that could partly be due to Madines limitations.
Totally agree that even after the subs were made the pattern of play remained pedestrian and predictable.
Preston weren't tested defensively, they had it far too easy all night.
 
voyeur said:
We had 54% possession and 8 shots to their 12. 0 on target to their 2. 3 corners each. 9 fouls to their 17 with a ref who chose to overlook Preston's constant holding of players.
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They don’t count when you hit the woodwork. Your lads were diving all over the place . Watch Blackpool fc highlights its all us . Rose tinted glasses me thinks .
What a atmosphere for a club with quite fans .
 
The bottom line is we have a totally ineffective midfield, Stewart is probably the best of the bunch but he misses more games than he plays. If we play one up front the opposition defence have less to think about so can push up more over running what little midfield we have, creativity is virtually nill. We obviously needed to strengthen there in the last window hence the long drawn out pursuit of Brannigan and then the last throw of the dice at the guy at Peterborough. We need much better in the middle of the park.
I'm not sure CJ is up to this level and there are going to ber some hard decisions to make about the squad at the end of this season if we want to progress.
 
Critch's tinkering has worked more often than not so overall that's not an issue. Great when it works, not so great when it doesn't.

Looking for a plus side they were marginally better last night whereas we mullered them at home.
 
Livingthedream47 said:
They don’t count when you hit the woodwork. Your lads were diving all over the place . Watch Blackpool fc highlights its all us . Rose tinted glasses me thinks .
What a atmosphere for a club with quite fans .
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Rose tinted yourself! One decent atmosphere every few years. Well done all of you for the superhuman effort for your mid table cup final.
 
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