Labour Reshuffle

Curryman

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Has Keir Starmer blindsided the left of his party including his deputy leader?

Will this lead to more infighting amongst the Labour members?

Is he quietly re-positioning Labour to mirror the Blair years?
 
Statement of intent as to where his policies are for the next election lie. Some big anti Brexit anti borders pro immigration people. Has Keith made the right decision.
 
One thing Im confused with is, has Lisa ( here in Wigan) Nandy been demoted or promoted?
Most of the Labour MP's are a shower, but I actually like Lisa
 
Looks like he is trying to replace the nonentities with competent people who can make a speech and argue their case. The Labour front bench has been very poor IMO, this move should make them look more like a credible government in waiting. Good move IMO.
The key position of shadow chancellor is held by Analese Dodds (I think) - IMO she is not a big hitter (she 's more of a Phil Tuffnell) and should be replaced. John McDonnell in the Corbyn years was actually IMO a better communicator than Corbyn himself and was regularly in the media, Starmer needs the centerist equivalent. Ed Miliband looks like a bit of a wasted talent in his current role, why not bring him back centre stage?
 
4.5 million labour voters jumped ship when faced with voting for commie Corbyn as PM.

Starmer knows he has to woo these ex labour voters back for the next general election along with those Tories that have had enough of Boris.
 
4.5 million labour voters jumped ship when faced with voting for commie Corbyn as PM.

Starmer knows he has to woo these ex labour voters back for the next general election along with those Tories that have had enough of Boris.
I wonder if they're still celebrating their decision?
 
I wonder if they're still celebrating their decision?
Without a doubt like I said it stoped Commie Corbyn getting in.

Starmer has got another 2 years to win back the deserters.

Wether he does it or not remains to be seen but keeping the lefties at bay isn’t a bad thing.
 
A lot less of Corbyn for starters. 👍
You're not answering the question.

Instead of parroting the right wing media line on Commie Corbyn, now they have got rid of the apparent bogeyman, how have those communities levelled up (c) under this government compared to Labour plans in 2019?
 
You're not answering the question.

How have those communities levelled up (c) under this government?
They haven’t, I’ve never said they ever had have i?

But stopping Corbyn getting in power was paramount that’s why 4.5m Labour voters voted against him.
 
Ed Miliibamd always presents well with his passion and fire when I see him on TV. He’s also got a nice line in self deprecating humour

Agree or not with policies, he should be a front bencher - at least to get the challenges into the Government coherently and bring opposition which has been lacking last 2-3 years.

They’ve got about 5 or 6 known faces who can communicate well - put them front of centre and hope the party finds a few more hidden away. As Lytham says. Northern MPs would be interesting just to challenge the lack of levelling up
 
They haven’t, I’ve never said they ever had have i?

But stopping Corbyn getting in power was paramount that’s why 4.5m Labour voters voted against him.
So they haven't gained anything by voting for this government?

If they have voted for a government which you admit does nothing for them, why was this preferable to voting for Labour?
 
Seriously though, instead of the apparent horror of Corbyn, what has the old Etonian they voted for delivered for them?
HS2. Scrapped along with the thousands of jobs in construction it was bringing.
Social care costs capped. At a level which means you lose your house in the North but not down South.
BEIS moving to a new Northern HQ. We've decided to stay in London.
 
Ed Miliibamd always presents well with his passion and fire when I see him on TV. He’s also got a nice line in self deprecating humour

Agree or not with policies, he should be a front bencher - at least to get the challenges into the Government coherently and bring opposition which has been lacking last 2-3 years.

They’ve got about 5 or 6 known faces who can communicate well - put them front of centre and hope the party finds a few more hidden away. As Lytham says. Northern MPs would be interesting just to challenge the lack of levelling up
But Miliband was castigated by the right wing media and we ended up with a Cameron majority, how well that went...
 
HS2. Scrapped along with the thousands of jobs in construction it was bringing.
Social care costs capped. At a level which means you lose your house in the North but not down South.
BEIS moving to a new Northern HQ. We've decided to stay in London.
Levelling Down 👍

Still, at least, like Jaffa says, that other fella didn't get in eh? He was a commie you know, the papers said...
 
So they haven't gained anything by voting for this government?

If they have voted for a government which you admit does nothing for them, why was this preferable to voting for Labour?
They gained everything by not voting Corbyn in power, short term pain for long term gain.

I doubt very much any of these 4.5m voters will stick with Boris do you?
 
Why, what would Corbyn have done that was worse than this government?
Jesus Lytham where do you want to start?

Nuclear arms deterrent being phased out, armed forces being cut, Putin taking his holidays at chequers.

And for someone who has been in the arms industry for 35 years that alone is more than enough for me.

It’s about protecting our country no sacrificing it.
 
The nuclear arguments an interesting one. I grew up being petrified that we were going to get nuked by a rogue state like Iran or that a Cold War return would drag us in.
These days I have no fear of this at all. Even if we had no nukes I still don’t think it would really affect us. Those likely to use them wouldn’t give 2 if we had them or not.
The Cold War multi nation battle would see the end of us whether we joined in or not.

Would does worry me more is Cyber. Of course like you Jaff who has experience in arms so have concerns through that, my Cyber experience makes me very nervous at one just one man can achieve, never mind a state sponsored crack team.
You just need a keyboard these days (or neural link 😎) to bring a country to its knees now
 
The key position of shadow chancellor is held by Analese Dodds (I think) - IMO she is not a big hitter (she 's more of a Phil Tuffnell) and should be replaced. John McDonnell in the Corbyn years was actually IMO a better communicator than Corbyn himself and was regularly in the media, Starmer needs the centerist equivalent. Ed Miliband looks like a bit of a wasted talent in his current role, why not bring him back centre stage?
Rachel Reeves is now shadow chancellor since the last reshuffle in May this year.
 
Rachel Reeves is now shadow chancellor since the last reshuffle in May this year.
A more visible figure but given that I am interested in politics but didn't know she had replaced Dodds suggests she is not doing enough.
 
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HS2. Scrapped along with the thousands of jobs in construction it was bringing.
Social care costs capped. At a level which means you lose your house in the North but not down South.
BEIS moving to a new Northern HQ. We've decided to stay in London.
Instead of the Northern powerhouse, Johnson has delivered 'Northerners we take your house'!
 
Jesus Lytham where do you want to start?

Nuclear arms deterrent being phased out, armed forces being cut, Putin taking his holidays at chequers.

And for someone who has been in the arms industry for 35 years that alone is more than enough for me.

It’s about protecting our country no sacrificing it.
How does any of that effect the daily lives of red wall voters? Why would Putin be taking his holidays,at Chequers? That doesn't make any sense and is just silly hyperbole.

As for protecting the country, most of its infrastructure has been sold off to foreign concerns anyway, that was one policy Corbyn was going to change if you want to get all patriotic, you know, UK utililities and transport actually being owned by the UK.

We're part of NATO, having a nuclear deterrent of our own is a wildly expensive ego project.

So what has been an actual tangible benefit of the Tories being in power for the North?
 
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How does any of that effect the daily lives of red wall voters? Why would Putin be taking his holidays,at Chequers? That doesn't make any sense and is just silly hyperbole.

As for protecting the country, most of its infrastructure has been sold off to foreign concerns anyway, that was one policy Corbyn was going to change if you want to get all patriotic, you know, UK utililities and transport actually being owned by the UK.

We're part of NATO, having a nuclear deterrent of our own is a wildly expensive ego project.

So what has been an actual tangible benefit of the Tories being in power for the North?
I don’t think to have a Nuclear deterrent is an ‘ego’ project at all far from it.

In answer to your other points none.
 
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The key position of shadow chancellor is held by Analese Dodds (I think) - IMO she is not a big hitter (she 's more of a Phil Tuffnell) and should be replaced. John McDonnell in the Corbyn years was actually IMO a better communicator than Corbyn himself and was regularly in the media, Starmer needs the centerist equivalent. Ed Miliband looks like a bit of a wasted talent in his current role, why not bring him back centre stage?
Dodds was replaced as Shadow Chancellor at the last reshuffle. The position is currently held by Rachel Reeves.
 
I think it's indicative of where Labour see the major battleground (Levelling Up) in the run up to the next election and positioning, what is probably perceived to be, their most credible MP as shadow to Gove.
Foreign Secretary is one of the top four positions in Govt and shadowing it is a statement of seniority in the Opposition. However, Starmer has chosen his team based on an election footing. Foreign affairs rarely feature highly in General Elections and Nandy's new role will be critical. A clever move by Starmer. The same is true of Ed Miliband's repositioning to the climate change portfolio.
 
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