Lavery, Hammy?

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Is it true hes got a hammy?
He was in the lower concourse with fans chanting his name at ht, having some pics. He told some fans he had a hammy :(
 
Ping Pong said:
Is it true hes got a hammy?
He was in the lower concourse with fans chanting his name at ht, having some pics. He told some fans he had a hammy :(
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It was a ham sandwich he was eating surely, hence the confusion?

He's only just got himself fit.

If it is, then how many is that now, another player with an injury record...
 
JJpool said:
Is that 3 he's had now? Looks like another who we've signed who's looks great and gets going and then gets another setback.
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It’s the way he plays. I’ve said numerous times that he needs to be told not to dive in when closing but realise it’s the space not the ball he’s after.

Basic isn’t it?
 
Anyone explain the science behind hamstrings and whether some people are potentially more susceptible to an injury?
I have played in 11 a side football for years (and am 38) and I’ve known a few tight hamstrings but have never known players be unavailable the way that ours are.
 
Just looking at the prem league fixtures in the weekend paper where they list the players unavailable. 14 of the prem teams have 16 players with hamstring injuries listed between them. It appears to be a far from uncommon injury at clubs with all the top training and medical facilities.
 
Understandably, when it comes to preparation and conditioning, clubs push their players to the limit to try and maximise their physicality.
But do the physios unwittingly push them too far?

CAGU posted a few months ago about how a top physio about to go into Newcastle was confident he could reduce their soft tissue injuries by 2/3rds.
"He said hamstring injuries are caused by back and pelvic problems and all the gym work and weights are the main cause."

Don't know how that panned out, but maybe we could do with a reassessment of how we balance our conditioning methods.

Blackpool Hamstring injuries

Played in a golf match today against Paul Showler who played against Pool in the Bradford play off when big Sam was our manager. Had a good career in the lower leagues and non league before becoming a widely acclaimed physio. He’s working with a number of Premier League clubs and going into...
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But is it 'a bit tight', or has it properly pinged? Doubt it if he was cavorting with fans at half time. It's the difference between a couple of games and a couple of months (minimum)
 
Toastrack said:
Understandably, when it comes to preparation and conditioning, clubs push their players to the limit to try and maximise their physicality.
But do the physios unwittingly push them too far?

CAGU posted a few months ago about how a top physio about to go into Newcastle was confident he could reduce their soft tissue injuries by 2/3rds.
"He said hamstring injuries are caused by back and pelvic problems and all the gym work and weights are the main cause."

Don't know how that panned out, but maybe we could do with a reassessment of how we balance our conditioning methods.

Blackpool Hamstring injuries

Played in a golf match today against Paul Showler who played against Pool in the Bradford play off when big Sam was our manager. Had a good career in the lower leagues and non league before becoming a widely acclaimed physio. He’s working with a number of Premier League clubs and going into...
avftt.co.uk
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I’ve heard very similar from another physio. He said the modern day footballer is pushed in training almost too hard . Muscles , tendons etc are already at their limit so when that extra effort is required there is simply no slack and something has to give . Of course, some players are just more susceptible to these type of injuries.
 
Toastrack said:
Understandably, when it comes to preparation and conditioning, clubs push their players to the limit to try and maximise their physicality.
But do the physios unwittingly push them too far?

CAGU posted a few months ago about how a top physio about to go into Newcastle was confident he could reduce their soft tissue injuries by 2/3rds.
"He said hamstring injuries are caused by back and pelvic problems and all the gym work and weights are the main cause."

Don't know how that panned out, but maybe we could do with a reassessment of how we balance our conditioning methods.

Blackpool Hamstring injuries

Played in a golf match today against Paul Showler who played against Pool in the Bradford play off when big Sam was our manager. Had a good career in the lower leagues and non league before becoming a widely acclaimed physio. He’s working with a number of Premier League clubs and going into...
avftt.co.uk
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With regards to how Newcastle have fared, from the weekend papers they have a bit of an injury crises with 10 players listed as injured, two with hamstring injuries. The papers suggest one contributing factor may be the extra demands of champions league football.
 
ansdellmafia said:
I’ve heard very similar from another physio. He said the modern day footballer is pushed in training almost too hard . Muscles , tendons etc are already at their limit so when that extra effort is required there is simply no slack and something has to give . Of course, some players are just more susceptible to these type of injuries.
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Yep. Keshi Anderson is blighted with them.
Just looked and he’s been out since September with a hamstring injury with Birmingham.
 
SydneyTangerine said:
Nonsense comment !
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Only if he keeps getting injured, his record since he joined us has been terrible and he clearly has an issue, we can't carry a player so he can play 10 games a season and the rest his hamstring has gone. It was the same with Anderson, great player but was always injured and is injured at Brum. So it isn't a nonsense comment at all. A fully fit, injury avers Lavery would be great but he isn't and has the rest of this season to prove it won't keep happening, in about 10 weeks when he is match fit again.
 
Well if you tear a hamstring badly (depends where exactly) you invariably will always have trouble unless it heals perfectly - the push to rush people back at all levels and match stresses tends to lead to one injury after another associated with the original injury - Michael Owen a good example

So we know he has dodgy hammies as it is his most common injury but hope he's back and firing soon
 
hertfordseasider said:
Only if he keeps getting injured, his record since he joined us has been terrible and he clearly has an issue, we can't carry a player so he can play 10 games a season and the rest his hamstring has gone. It was the same with Anderson, great player but was always injured and is injured at Brum. So it isn't a nonsense comment at all. A fully fit, injury avers Lavery would be great but he isn't and has the rest of this season to prove it won't keep happening, in about 10 weeks when he is match fit again.
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More tripe. Have some patience. Show some loyalty. Empathy ? Support ? These are people, not disposable items. 10,000 people with similar attitudes and we would have no players, or club. Luckily these shallow ideas are in a huge minority.
 
SydneyTangerine said:
More tripe. Have some patience. Show some loyalty. Empathy ? Support ? These are people, not disposable items. 10,000 people with similar attitudes and we would have no players, or club. Luckily these shallow ideas are in a huge minority.
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So you would have kept Anderson, Stewart etc., then? We'd be bankrupt if we kept every injured player. It's a business not a charity.
 
Toastrack said:
Understandably, when it comes to preparation and conditioning, clubs push their players to the limit to try and maximise their physicality.
But do the physios unwittingly push them too far?

CAGU posted a few months ago about how a top physio about to go into Newcastle was confident he could reduce their soft tissue injuries by 2/3rds.
"He said hamstring injuries are caused by back and pelvic problems and all the gym work and weights are the main cause."

Don't know how that panned out, but maybe we could do with a reassessment of how we balance our conditioning methods.

Blackpool Hamstring injuries

Played in a golf match today against Paul Showler who played against Pool in the Bradford play off when big Sam was our manager. Had a good career in the lower leagues and non league before becoming a widely acclaimed physio. He’s working with a number of Premier League clubs and going into...
avftt.co.uk
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Played him again a couple of weeks ago in an Inter Counties Scratch League, he plays off 1 handicap but wasn’t quite good enough again 😂
He said his meeting at Newcastle went really well and he’s going back to work with their physio team with a view to changing their training strategy to avoid future hamstring and other soft tissue injuries. He went there on the day it broke about the Newcastle player suspended for gambling so it was chaos and not the best day to turn up.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Only if he keeps getting injured, his record since he joined us has been terrible and he clearly has an issue, we can't carry a player so he can play 10 games a season and the rest his hamstring has gone. It was the same with Anderson, great player but was always injured and is injured at Brum. So it isn't a nonsense comment at all. A fully fit, injury avers Lavery would be great but he isn't and has the rest of this season to prove it won't keep happening, in about 10 weeks when he is match fit again.
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According to Wikipedia, he's played 78 games in 2 and bit seasons, hardly 10 games a season!
 
southshore said:
According to Wikipedia, he's played 78 games in 2 and bit seasons, hardly 10 games a season!
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That's good of you to look that up and it's more than I expected, it seems like he has been injured and out far more than that. He is out for a second time this season with a hamstring injury and it is his option year I think so he needs to make sure that he isn't going to be out a lot of the season. I did say: "A fully fit, injury averse Lavery would be great" I'm just saying that if he is going to have a problem with a consistent injury then they have a decision to make, but I was wrong about the games he played.
 
tangible said:
But is it 'a bit tight', or has it properly pinged? Doubt it if he was cavorting with fans at half time. It's the difference between a couple of games and a couple of months (minimum)
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Did he walk with a grimace or a limp! Not that I'd expect anyone to ask a player for their complete medical history but can't believe those who spoke to him didn't ask for a better prognosis!
 
We are screwed without Lavery - he was our only hope of getting some firepower and energy upfront. Pinning our hopes on Joseph now.
 
When fit he also provides us with a decent press which Rhodes & KK don’t I’ve no idea if Joseph when fully fit can do the same.
 
A big blow, he was looking very sharp again. Hopefully it settles and he can recover quickly. He's the sort of player that always needs a few games before he's at his best. So frustrating for the club and player.
 
SydneyTangerine said:
More tripe. Have some patience. Show some loyalty. Empathy ? Support ? These are people, not disposable items. 10,000 people with similar attitudes and we would have no players, or club. Luckily these shallow ideas are in a huge minority.
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You can be one of the most sympathetic, empathetic, selfless, loyal, supportive people in the world, but . . . what Herts says isn't borne out of any malice towards what is a very likeable individual, who also happens to be a decent player on his day, but an inevitable and sensible operational and business decision. If he can't do the job then there's an inevitability he will (and should) be moved on with everybody's best wishes. It may sound cold and hard and also cause upset to some, but if you aren't willing to pay his wages then I don't reckon Mr Sadler will either.

And from my own personal perspective twice in my working life I've found myself in this very same position. First time as a soldier I sustained injuries which hindered my ability to do my job so was given a letter with a simple "Services no longer required" notification. 2nd time again due to another injury (caused I might add by repetitive strain) and after nearly 30 years loyal service I was told that if I could no longer do my job they could sack me. 🤷
 
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The way he plays he's always going to be stretching and twisting and is something I said he'd need to be wary off especially when he's had this injury before.
 
Chishandfips said:
Anyone explain the science behind hamstrings and whether some people are potentially more susceptible to an injury?
I have played in 11 a side football for years (and am 38) and I’ve known a few tight hamstrings but have never known players be unavailable the way that ours are.
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Likelihood of recurrence increases the more tears your have. At some stage tendon surgery needs to be considered. Caveat - I’m not an orthopaedic specialist.
 
Sooty59 said:
When fit he also provides us with a decent press which Rhodes & KK don’t I’ve no idea if Joseph when fully fit can do the same.
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This reminds me that since Jerry left, I feel that we’re missing the pressing side of our game. Even Lescott had a couple of sprints at the Morecambe keeper last night. We need more energy like Critch mk I had.

Maybe it’s a valid point that a couple on here have made. That being we are not firing on all cylinders for the full 90mins due to our recent uncertainty regarding injuries- it probably puts the players off.
 
Graves said:
This reminds me that since Jerry left, I feel that we’re missing the pressing side of our game. Even Lescott had a couple of sprints at the Morecambe keeper last night. We need more energy like Critch mk I had.

Maybe it’s a valid point that a couple on here have made. That being we are not firing on all cylinders for the full 90mins due to our recent uncertainty regarding injuries- it probably puts the players off.
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Would agree with that and can’t see Joseph being like for like or Swansea wouldn’t have let him go.
 
Fylde Seasider said:
You can be one of the most sympathetic, empathetic, selfless, loyal, supportive people in the world, but . . . what Herts says isn't borne out of any malice towards what is a very likeable individual, who also happens to be a decent player on his day, but an inevitable and sensible operational and business decision. If he can't do the job then there's an inevitability he will (and should) be moved on with everybody's best wishes. It may sound cold and hard and also cause upset to some, but if you aren't willing to pay his wages then I don't reckon Mr Sadler will either.

And from my own personal perspective twice in my working life I've found myself in this very same position. First time as a soldier I sustained injuries which hindered my ability to do my job so was given a letter with a simple "Services no longer required" notification. 2nd time again due to another injury (caused I might add by repetitive strain) and after nearly 30 years loyal service I was told that if I could no longer do my job they could sack me. 🤷
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I agree ...thus Herts could have been far kinder with his words saying similar... Just " bin him " is not only callous, it' s going to impact on the player. Players read this board, and comments like this just serve to impact on their confidence and commitment. I think that after 30yrs of service ( thank you 🧡) you would be looking forward to some peace and quiet rest. 🙏
 
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