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At times he can be brilliant, but we haven't seen that in a while.

Great energy but little quality recently.

Noticed the amount of times he tries something and puts the ball out of play for a goal kick or throw because of a bad touch etc.

We're not providing a great service to our strikers as is often, but still not seen enough quality from him in recent games.

Yates on his day can be better that what we've seen recently but rarely starts.
 
Yates is our best striker along with beesley but he doesn’t get the service, game time or play in behind him for him to score 20/25 a season last like year. Madine is shit, feel sorry for strikers who play along side him.
 
Madine is a good asset to have in this squad, Gerry came on had a very good chance but did'nt hit the target ! All
these strikers need opportunities, do we create enough ?
 
Not seen anything of note from Lavery for a long while - before Christmas. He's a tireless worker but don't think he has that extra bit of quality needed to be a top Championship striker. Again though ,like the rest of our strikers has nothing but scraps to feed on.
 
With Madine, Yates, Beesley and Lavery we have quite a decent mix of options, if we play two up front, none look great in the single striker role.
What's bothered me during the final few games is the lack of starting chances for Yates, we've seen combinations of all the others but Jerry has been given the odd 10 minutes here and there. If any of the others had been tearing up the scoring charts, I could understand it, but none of them have been prolific.
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but is there a problem with Jerry Yates we aren't seeing?
Of course all strikers need service and we simply don't or haven't created enough, this is where central midfield and to a lesser extent or wingers have let us down.
I hope we keep all four and concentrate on finding someone who can provide them with the ammunition they need.
 
I've posted previously that Lavery and Yates would benefit from this creative midfielder we've been on about for most of the season. Yesterday there must have been 4 or 5 high crosses to Lavery, he managed to beat the CB to a couple of them, but it's hardly playing to his strengths is it? Jerry hasn't been given enough game time, I think he'd have scored the chance he put wide yesterday late on with more confidence, which looks completely shot imo.

I don't personally agree with the Madine haters either. He does his job by winning most of the aerial duels, mobility issues aside. We just tend to go long because he's there, so we can become pretty one dimensional at times. I think with the midfielder we need, Madine could be used as a plan B or brought on when we need a bigger player (like against Cardiff for example).

I doubt we'll be able to afford an "upper championship quality striker", either the fee or wages. I hope we keep Yates and Lavery, and that we can see their quality more in a system which suits them better, with better service as many have posted.
 
Once Lavery's brain and feet start working in unison he'll be one he'll of a player.
Until that happens he'll be a player with loads of energy that happens to score a handful of goals.

TBF the only players who have shown time and time again this season that the potential can truly be achieved are Marvin and Grimmy, the others have only given glimpses of what they could be, Lavery being one of them.
 
Dave62 said:
I've posted previously that Lavery and Yates would benefit from this creative midfielder we've been on about for most of the season. Yesterday there must have been 4 or 5 high crosses to Lavery, he managed to beat the CB to a couple of them, but it's hardly playing to his strengths is it? Jerry hasn't been given enough game time, I think he'd have scored the chance he put wide yesterday late on with more confidence, which looks completely shot imo.

I don't personally agree with the Madine haters either. He does his job by winning most of the aerial duels, mobility issues aside. We just tend to go long because he's there, so we can become pretty one dimensional at times. I think with the midfielder we need, Madine could be used as a plan B or brought on when we need a bigger player (like against Cardiff for example).

I doubt we'll be able to afford an "upper championship quality striker", either the fee or wages. I hope we keep Yates and Lavery, and that we can see their quality more in a system which suits them better, with better service as many have posted.
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yep agree. We need to see if Beesley is good enough to step up and also find another young striker from the lower leagues who can do the same. If not a young PL striker on loan. We cant afford to pay out millions on a proven striker at this level so it's got to be a bit of a gamble. Simms I think would have done well but see him being much more involved with Everton next season especially if they go down.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Once Lavery's brain and feet start working in unison he'll be one he'll of a player.
Until that happens he'll be a player with loads of energy that happens to score a handful of goals.
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That's a point I've kept making about Virtue although I don't think he'll ever solve the problem.
 
Both Lavery and Yates have been underwhelming in the latter part of the season and although Lavery has had more game time lately there has been precious little of note from Yates for some time when he has played.
 
I’m really disappointed with Lavery as signs were promising when he made a classic forwards run and scored v Bristol City on the opening day. I agree that he has been feeding off scraps. However, his touch is shocking and I’m not sure he’ll cut it at championship level. I feel Sonny Carey and Owen Dale could be big players next season. Real shame Jerry looks like he’s going. At least we’ll have a few quid to spend this summer when JB and Jerry probably depart.
 
Lavery and Yates need the right service and they get little. Reason is Madine who hold up is decent 30 out, but flick ons from the head in the box don't happen. But we know why Madine plays.

Beesley is a better option there because of his movement and the space he'd give L/Y.
 
We’ve had spells when we’ve not had a lot of height in the team especially when JT has partnered Marv at the back. Brighter keeper is especially fall either although I do like and rate Grimmy. We’ve been very much a safety first team with two defensive midfielders for most parts. Madine has been an outlet and one of the three tall players on the 6 yard box when defending corners.
 
Dave62 said:
I've posted previously that Lavery and Yates would benefit from this creative midfielder we've been on about for most of the season. Yesterday there must have been 4 or 5 high crosses to Lavery, he managed to beat the CB to a couple of them, but it's hardly playing to his strengths is it? Jerry hasn't been given enough game time, I think he'd have scored the chance he put wide yesterday late on with more confidence, which looks completely shot imo.

I don't personally agree with the Madine haters either. He does his job by winning most of the aerial duels, mobility issues aside. We just tend to go long because he's there, so we can become pretty one dimensional at times. I think with the midfielder we need, Madine could be used as a plan B or brought on when we need a bigger player (like against Cardiff for example).

I doubt we'll be able to afford an "upper championship quality striker", either the fee or wages. I hope we keep Yates and Lavery, and that we can see their quality more in a system which suits them better, with better service as many have posted.
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Agree with much of this. We do need a creative midfielder able to service the forwards and not rely as much the long high balls. We would then be all able to have a clearer opinion of our forwards including Lavery. Also do not agree with the Madine haters. He does what he does well and Critchley has relied on him. Whether he will feature the same next season we will have to wait and see.
 
Ruperthoop said:
Agree with much of this. We do need a creative midfielder able to service the forwards and not rely as much the long high balls. We would then be all able to have a clearer opinion of our forwards including Lavery. Also do not agree with the Madine haters. He does what he does well and Critchley has relied on him. Whether he will feature the same next season we will have to wait and see.
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I like Madine, he adds strength and height and hold up play but he has limitations.

Hes slow and slow to adjust at times, the pressing isn't as good with him in too.

Against Luton a few yards out he couldn't adjust to put a simple ball in and against Derby see below. On a plate yet too slow to adjust.

 
Yates and lavery have both clearly suffered from being dropped and not given a run of games whereas Madine has been first name on the team sheet… I hope Madine is plan b at best next season and preferably plan c and I really don’t get why there was such a rush to sign him back up… pretty sure Jerry will be gone maybe to Blackburn to replace their striker exodus
 
Yates been out of service pretty much every time he’s played this year. Lavery got off to a flier and then injured at the worst possible or time and has struggled to recapture anything like his earlier form .. which is not surprising because he has no real pro experience to draw on and this is a tough division and lots of pressure and he’s again had little service. He’s stopped ghosting into dangerous positions and wonder if thats something resulting from tactics or he is just not feeling it naturally since his return.

Madine and Yates to start most matches with Beesley and Lavery slotted in every now and again or with significant minutes as subs and some drive from midfield and we will be on next year IMO. I fear Jerry wants to play every game and is better for it so may well be off.
 
Massive part of our problem is the idea that we pick Madine because of what he gives the team defensively. His job first and foremost is to cause problems at the other end of the pitch but he doesn't!!
Beesley and Yates looks like a better option than Madine and Lavery, hopefully we see it next week.
We don't create much but Madine and Lavery rarely look like scoring in open play, with very limited time on the pitch Yates has had two good opportunities in the last two games. He deserves to start at Peterborough.
 
None of our strikers are really a goal threat. Beesley aside as we haven't seen enough. Unlike a few other teams who've come to bloomfield this season who attack and their strikers look dangerous whether its their movement, shots or directness but when ours get the ball I'm never thinking they might score. We need a couple out and definitely one better in.
 
I groaned in the pub pre match when I saw Madine/Lavery up front. I was hoping for Beesley/Yates, I don't pick the team just have to live with Critch the Tinkerman.
 
gjr69 said:
Massive part of our problem is the idea that we pick Madine because of what he gives the team defensively. His job first and foremost is to cause problems at the other end of the pitch but he doesn't!!
Beesley and Yates looks like a better option than Madine and Lavery, hopefully we see it next week.
We don't create much but Madine and Lavery rarely look like scoring in open play, with very limited time on the pitch Yates has had two good opportunities in the last two games. He deserves to start at Peterborough.
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Lavery Madine doesnt seem to work very often. We had enough opportunities yesterday to put the game to bed well before they scored, but didnt take our chances. saying that we werent at our best yesterday all over the pitch
Ive got the feeling that jerry might be carrying a bit of an injury, wouldnt be surprised to see that he needs an operation or something over the summer.
 
Ruperthoop said:
Agree with much of this. We do need a creative midfielder able to service the forwards and not rely as much the long high balls. We would then be all able to have a clearer opinion of our forwards including Lavery. Also do not agree with the Madine haters. He does what he does well and Critchley has relied on him. Whether he will feature the same next season we will have to wait and see.
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Agree
Someone who can create the space.
Suspect this will be a main priority for the recruitment team this summer
 
An aside to the discussion. Had a spare season ticket yesterday; called into the shop to offer a free ticket. Young man had called into the shop to get a Blackpool shirt with Lavery on it but not expecting to see the game. He is a Linfield supporter from Belfast, who is over for the week-end who couldn't believe his good fortune in seeing his hero in action. Delighted to help him. He was in awe of the atmosphere.
 
Madine will be usefull next season in a 18 man squad I agree with, the penalty miss was poor and he'll know that,
failure to track his runner for the 2nd goal also dissapointing.
 
clappers said:
Yates been out of service pretty much every time he’s played this year. Lavery got off to a flier and then injured at the worst possible or time and has struggled to recapture anything like his earlier form .. which is not surprising because he has no real pro experience to draw on and this is a tough division and lots of pressure and he’s again had little service. He’s stopped ghosting into dangerous positions and wonder if thats something resulting from tactics or he is just not feeling it naturally since his return.

Madine and Yates to start most matches with Beesley and Lavery slotted in every now and again or with significant minutes as subs and some drive from midfield and we will be on next year IMO. I fear Jerry wants to play every game and is better for it so may well be off.
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I think Yates works hard when he is on the pitch but I don’t think he currently has a strikers instinct to get in the right places.

Certainly I agree that supply has been poor but he doesn’t seem to read the openings well enough to make the right runs and like Lavery of late has been too easy to knock off the ball.

I hope both come good next season but if a decision is taken that either is not up to it and we bring in someone new I would not be too disappointed.
 
I also think we need to remember where he came from ie Limerick

Coming straight into the championship massive step up . Can’t expect him to be banging in 20 goals in his first season .

I think this season has been a learning exercise for everyone at the club incl players manager and board.

We finished comfortably but that won’t satisfy the owner who wants to keep progressing .

I’m confident the right personnel will be brought in to sort any weak spots out so we can hit the ground running in 3 months
 
AngelBFC said:
I also think we need to remember where he came from ie Limerick

Coming straight into the championship massive step up . Can’t expect him to be banging in 20 goals in his first season .

I think this season has been a learning exercise for everyone at the club incl players manager and board.

We finished comfortably but that won’t satisfy the owner who wants to keep progressing .

I’m confident the right personnel will be brought in to sort any weak spots out so we can hit the ground running in 3 months
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Linfield. Different country. ;)
 
Lavery and Yates are both decent strikers but we have to remember that we've stepped up a division and the defenders are of a better standard. Early season it was noticeable how Lavery often made a run to the front post and got ahead of the defender to score. Doesn't seem to be making those runs as much now. Similarly last season, how many goals did Jerry get coming in on the far post to score? A good few but again he's not making those runs now. I don't think either of them are high on confidence for a variety of reasons.
 
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