Lincoln; Police Chief defends officers dancing Macarena at Pride Event

Interesting comment on an article: https://unherd.com/2022/08/the-tories-are-criminally-blind/

It is not the budget and it is not police numbers that create this situation. It is how our Police are deployed. In 1961 there was 1 police officer for every 807 civilians in this country. Today, that ratio is 1 to 462.

The Guardian, Sadiq Khan and depressingly many others might bleat about budget cuts and like to pretend that releasing funds to employ a few hundred more coppers might return us to the days of Dixon of Dock Green (or PC49 for Eagle comic fans) but it is a fantasy. As with almost every debate about the Police – the answer is relatively simple, if unpopular among senior Police officers (whilst far more popular with rank and file). Reverse the policy of reactive policing, that made Police Officers merely the mop-up crew after a crime has been committed, and return them to proactive policing with local police officers patrolling a small patch and knowing most of what is going on on their beat.

Proactive policing prevents crime, reactive policing can only record it and try and catch criminals after the fact.

Of course Crime-fighting in 2022 is a far more complex business.........................
 
Lost Seasider said:
Interesting comment on an article: https://unherd.com/2022/08/the-tories-are-criminally-blind/

It is not the budget and it is not police numbers that create this situation. It is how our Police are deployed. In 1961 there was 1 police officer for every 807 civilians in this country. Today, that ratio is 1 to 462.

The Guardian, Sadiq Khan and depressingly many others might bleat about budget cuts and like to pretend that releasing funds to employ a few hundred more coppers might return us to the days of Dixon of Dock Green (or PC49 for Eagle comic fans) but it is a fantasy. As with almost every debate about the Police – the answer is relatively simple, if unpopular among senior Police officers (whilst far more popular with rank and file). Reverse the policy of reactive policing, that made Police Officers merely the mop-up crew after a crime has been committed, and return them to proactive policing with local police officers patrolling a small patch and knowing most of what is going on on their beat.

Proactive policing prevents crime, reactive policing can only record it and try and catch criminals after the fact.

Of course Crime-fighting in 2022 is a far more complex business.........................
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What's your point? It's not obvious from your post.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
What's your point? It's not obvious from your post.
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66

I'm sure Lost will answer your question but maybe he - or his post - is suggesting that policing is not all about the size of the budget available but how they use it ?

More bobbies on the beat and less doing the Maracena at pride festivals.

Caveat for Mex: That was a joke.
 
Thatseasider said:
I much prefer it when they waste their time on Gimp Dogs if I’m honest.

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There’s nothing funny about this picture and nothing at all to smile about. There’s nothing to be proud about either.

When did defending and even celebrating gay rights turn into a procession for perverts who want to dress up in dog gimp costumes and be paraded past children? It’s sick and shouldn’t be allowed.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I think it goes without saying that videos of police beating people up damages their reputation and loses them more respect that dancing at some daft festival.

I don't think anybody suggested otherwise.

I think it's fair to say that some taxpayers - particularly recent victims of crime - would rather see a greater police effort towards cracking crime and that dancing at such festivals is not a particularly good look.
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Having dozens of police randomly stopping football fans from returning to their cars for no particular reason doesn't instill my confidence in them. Why did they block off the entrance to the cricket club after last Saturday's game? All it did was leave a lot of Blackpool fans backing up into the road and in the way of Burnley fans.

It's almost as if they were trying to provoke an incident.
 
20togo said:
doesn't make it not true though.
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All loonie lefties (whoever they are) all take offence at everything.

OK

Whereas the RWNJs on here are all laid back about everything, letting everyone live and let live, including dancing policemen.
 
Wizaard said:
All loonie lefties (whoever they are) all take offence at everything.

OK

Whereas the RWNJs on here are all laid back about everything, letting everyone live and let live, including dancing policemen.
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the rwnj's only moan about the loony lefties moaning about everything though. That's stating the obvious isn't it? 😉
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Blimey.

That picture has clearly inflamed a couple of posters on here.
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I’m mean two brain dead grinning police officers doing their best Harry and Lloyd impersonations, holding two adult humans dressed as gimp dogs when the general public struggle to get the police to deal with the most basic of crime related situations across the country.

If that didn’t get people inflamed I’d be more worried.

People wanting a decent, professional, thinking police force shouldn’t be considered extreme or odd.
 
Wizaard said:
Having dozens of police randomly stopping football fans from returning to their cars for no particular reason doesn't instill my confidence in them. Why did they block off the entrance to the cricket club after last Saturday's game? All it did was leave a lot of Blackpool fans backing up into the road and in the way of Burnley fans.

It's almost as if they were trying to provoke an incident.
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Wiz

I wouldn't know anything about the incident you mention but would have no reason to doubt what you say.

I have never suggested that the police are perfect in their duties at football, no doubt that they can do better, just look at Bloomfield Road at the start of last season.

I know you mean well but I'm struggling why you have said what you have done at me ?

Surely you are not suggesting that I shouldn't be allowed to question the participation of the police in Macarena dancing at a pride festival because the policing of other events is less than perfect ?

Perhaps I am of the opinion that the police look stupid doing the Macarena at pride festivals AND there are times when police do a better job of controlling crowds at football matches.

Maybe police officers should spend more of their time attending training and improving their crowd control knowledge and skills and less time doing the Macarena at pride festivals and other similar nonsense.

In short Wiz, I don't think the police are perfect but I appreciate that it's not always easy for them in their work and sometimes they just can't win, personally I don't think this Macarena thing is a good look, some will agree and others won't.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Blimey.

That picture has clearly inflamed a couple of posters on here.
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So are you ok with it?
A pride event is to celebrate and promote gay rights etc.
The parades are seen in high streets across the country during daytime hours. They’re promoted as family events.
So I’m at a loss as to why anyone would think it’s appropriate for dog gimp costume wearers to be paraded around on leads in front of kids. Leaving aside the police involvement in the attached image, I just think it’s a step too far.
Folk can do whatever they like behind closed doors. I’ve no issues with it. It’s not my business. I don’t care.
But what I do care about is kids being corrupted and seeing inappropriate things they shouldn’t be seeing at their young age.
We have age classifications on movies and as parents we help manage the innocence of our kids. That’s not so easy to achieve when we have these unnecessary gimp costume clad folk parading around.
Behind closed doors I don’t care. In front of kids at a family parade I think it’s disgusting.
It’s irrelevant whether they’re gay or heterosexual. My comments apply across the board. It’s not right for kids to see adults wearing bondage items. It’s not achieving anything positive and it could indeed be harmful to children just as it would be for children to be exposed to other sexualised images, content or actions.
 
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SEASIDE2020 said:
Wiz

I wouldn't know anything about the incident you mention but would have no reason to doubt what you say.

I have never suggested that the police are perfect in their duties at football, no doubt that they can do better, just look at Bloomfield Road at the start of last season.

I know you mean well but I'm struggling why you have said what you have done at me ?

Surely you are not suggesting that I shouldn't be allowed to question the participation of the police in Macarena dancing at a pride festival because the policing of other events is less than perfect ?

Perhaps I am of the opinion that the police look stupid doing the Macarena at pride festivals AND there are times when police do a better job of controlling crowds at football matches.

Maybe police officers should spend more of their time attending training and improving their crowd control knowledge and skills and less time doing the Macarena at pride festivals and other similar nonsense.

In short Wiz, I don't think the police are perfect but I appreciate that it's not always easy for them in their work and sometimes they just can't win, personally I don't think this Macarena thing is a good look, some will agree and others won't.
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Not suggesting anything. Apologies if it's come as having a go at you.

The police make a lot of decisions on a day to day basis and each one will be right itvwrong in someone's eyes.
 
Malced said:
So are you ok with it?
A pride event is to celebrate and promote gay rights etc.
The parades are seen in high streets across the country during daytime hours. They’re promoted as family events.
So I’m at a loss as to why anyone would think it’s appropriate for dog gimp costume wearers to be paraded around on leads in front of kids. Leaving aside the police involvement in the attached image, I just think it’s a step too far.
Folk can do whatever they like behind closed doors. I’ve no issues with it. It’s not my business. I don’t care.
But what I do care about is kids being corrupted and seeing inappropriate things they shouldn’t be seeing at their young age.
We have age classifications on movies and as parents we help manage the innocence of our kids. That’s not so easy to achieve when we have these unnecessary gimp costume clad folk parading around.
Behind closed doors I don’t care. In front of kids at a family parade I think it’s disgusting.
It’s irrelevant whether they’re gay or heterosexual. My comments apply across the board. It’s not right for kids to see adults wearing bondage items. It’s not achieving anything positive and it could indeed be harmful to children just as it would be for children to be exposed to other sexualised images, content or actions.
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Thats a fair and balanced post to be honest.

Taking the police involvement in the picture out of the debate too.
 
Wizaard said:
Not suggesting anything. Apologies if it's come as having a go at you.

The police make a lot of decisions on a day to day basis and each one will be right itvwrong in someone's eyes.
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Not at all Wiz, I just wasn't sure why you said what you did at me but no problem.

My response to you was not the best.

I don't think the police have an easy job and we certainly need them but they don't always cover themselves in glory, as I've already said this sort of chite is not for me.
 
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