Lousy time to be in the EU

Tangojoe

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Fishing – European trawlermen are struggling to adapt to the new post-Brexit rules when fishing in Britain's coastal waters. European trawlermen have warned that new technicalities introduced at the start of the year are hindering their access to UK fishing grounds. They claim that although the UK has largely adopted the existing European regulations there are also points where the UK deviates and new conditions, such as the type of panels required in nets, are creating difficulties. These come on top of the cost of the Brexit deal whereby EU fishermen have to hand back 25% of the value of fish caught in UK waters, which will leave them with a €200m Brexit loss.

Vaccines – Analysts at German finance giant Allianz have warned that the delay in rollout of the covid vaccine scheme put the EU five weeks behind the UK, which could cost its economy €90 billion. This forecast is subject to further potential risks, related for instance to new variants of covid-19.

Banking – NatWest has announced that it is closing down all branches of Ulster Bank in the Republic of Ireland following Brexit. The phased closure of the 88 branches will result in 2800 job losses.

Brexit black hole – It has been revealed that Brexit has left an additional €75bn hole in the EU budget previously paid by the UK which now has to be shared between member states.

Friction between member states – A report warns that the UK's departure from the EU could lead to serious divisions in the bloc. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace reported that the UK was a major player in the EU and its departure could lead to a split in Brussels over economic policy and the eurozone, resulting in a power shift towards France and Germany. The Franco-German axis will be countered by other nations forming smaller factions, as was previously seen in disputes over the EU budget. The Carnegie experts added "In the wake of Brexit, the northern member states will be concerned that the orientation of the EU will change. They especially fear a stronger drive toward deeper fiscal integration, a notion that the UK acted as a bulwark against.”

Illegal Directive – Brussels faces a huge bill as a leading UK business seeks damages over a controversial EU directive that was ruled unlawful in 2018. The EU has been involved in a long-running dispute over its directive on labeling vacuum cleaners' energy consumption. Now, years after the bloc was forced to overturn the directive, Sir James Dyson is seeking £200million from the EU in the General Court in Luxembourg because of the illegal regulation. Dyson ran up considerable costs on research, development, promotions and lost sales in order to comply with the energy labeling directive.

Language – France’s campaign to have English removed as the official language of the EU is likely to be rejected. France contends that since English is the main language in only two countries, Ireland and Malta, making up only 1% of the EU population, French should be restored as the language to be used in the European Parliament and in legal proceedings. However, it was pointed out that 87% of students in the EU learn English in school while only 19% learn French.

Still, as Wizaard would say, they're your problems EU, own them.
 
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Recidivist3

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‘Language – France’s campaign to have English removed as the official language of the EU is likely to be rejected. France contends that since English is the main language in only two countries, Ireland and Malta, making up only 1% of the EU population, French should be restored as the language to be used in the European Parliament and in legal proceedings. However, it was pointed out that 87% of students in the EU learn English in school while only 19% learn French’

Took all of five minutes to find that one French National Front MEP has suggested this. As with all Tango’s points above, a little evidence wouldn’t go amiss
 

Tangojoe

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‘Language – France’s campaign to have English removed as the official language of the EU is likely to be rejected. France contends that since English is the main language in only two countries, Ireland and Malta, making up only 1% of the EU population, French should be restored as the language to be used in the European Parliament and in legal proceedings. However, it was pointed out that 87% of students in the EU learn English in school while only 19% learn French’

Took all of five minutes to find that one French National Front MEP has suggested this. As with all Tango’s points above, a little evidence wouldn’t go amiss

Well, it was France's Minister for European Affairs Clement Beaune who said "it will be difficult for people to understand why we would prefer to use broken English after Brexit"

Hardly French National Front is he?
 

Matesrates

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Empire building never worked long term, Rome, British empire etc, there’s too many at the committee table with different agendas.
 

Lost Seasider

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Vaccines – Analysts at German finance giant Allianz have warned that the delay in rollout of the covid vaccine scheme put the EU five weeks behind the UK,

This is likely over-optimistic as well.

The EU is indeed where we were 5 weeks ago, but to get to where we are today would take more like 20 weeks at the current rate of progress.

In fact the situation is even worse because the EU seems to have stuck rigidly to the 3 week interval so the number of people protected is going to much less than the number of jabs given, and to top it all they're wasting their supplies of Ox/AZ on non-priority groups for reasons that appear to be political rather than anything else.
 

Tangojoe

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Tangojoe- Some on here will not like that-the truth hurts. The reality is there was going to be hurt and problems on all sides not just for the uk .

Agreed Rupert. My post was basically a snapshot of yesterday's news to balance the incessant scare stories of some on here. I could make a similar post every day but what's the point? As you say, getting used to the new rules is bound to cause some problems for all sides. With the right attitude this transition could be plain sailing. It's just a shame that the EU is behaving unscrupulously instead of working with the UK. The real test is what the UK will look like a couple of years from now.
 

Mexboroseasider

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Agreed Rupert. My post was basically a snapshot of yesterday's news to balance the incessant scare stories of some on here. I could make a similar post every day but what's the point? As you say, getting used to the new rules is bound to cause some problems for all sides. With the right attitude this transition could be plain sailing. It's just a shame that the EU is behaving unscrupulously instead of working with the UK. The real test is what the UK will look like a couple of years from now.
At least you’re finally acknowledging that Brexit was never going to be pain free (for either side) which is some progress I suppose.

But it’s still “jam tomorrow” I see.
 

Mexboroseasider

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So why does BHOK come on here every day to tell us about how bad things are for the UK?
You’d probably be better off asking him than me to be honest.

Although I’m not sure I understand your point . The fact that Brexit has hurt the EU doesn’t mean it hasn’t also hurt the U.K. In fact you’ve acknowledged that it has. And if it has hurt the U.K. then, as a patriotic Brit, I can understand why BHOK would want to point that out.
 

Tangojoe

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You’d probably be better off asking him than me to be honest.

Although I’m not sure I understand your point . The fact that Brexit has hurt the EU doesn’t mean it hasn’t also hurt the U.K. In fact you’ve acknowledged that it has. And if it has hurt the U.K. then, as a patriotic Brit, I can understand why BHOK would want to point that out.

Now that explanation would work if BHOK occasionally reported issues such as the OP. Unfortunately, he just has a daily dig at the UK's problems. Shame really because he is a clever lad and there is much worthy of debate.
 

Mexboroseasider

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Now that explanation would work if BHOK occasionally reported issues such as the OP. Unfortunately, he just has a daily dig at the UK's problems. Shame really because he is a clever lad and there is much worthy of debate.
Well he’s a Brit. And a patriot. So he’s obviously more likely to post about U.K. “hurts” than EU ones.

That’s my take on it anyway. But I’m not his keeper so will let him answer for himself.
 

L’étranger

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The opening post is a bit like saying ‘well my mother may well have been raped but at least the bastard got sent down for five years!’
 

Thelaneends1

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Fishing – European trawlermen are struggling to adapt to the new post-Brexit rules when fishing in Britain's coastal waters. European trawlermen have warned that new technicalities introduced at the start of the year are hindering their access to UK fishing grounds. They claim that although the UK has largely adopted the existing European regulations there are also points where the UK deviates and new conditions, such as the type of panels required in nets, are creating difficulties. These come on top of the cost of the Brexit deal whereby EU fishermen have to hand back 25% of the value of fish caught in UK waters, which will leave them with a €200m Brexit loss.

Vaccines – Analysts at German finance giant Allianz have warned that the delay in rollout of the covid vaccine scheme put the EU five weeks behind the UK, which could cost its economy €90 billion. This forecast is subject to further potential risks, related for instance to new variants of covid-19.

Banking – NatWest has announced that it is closing down all branches of Ulster Bank in the Republic of Ireland following Brexit. The phased closure of the 88 branches will result in 2800 job losses.

Brexit black hole – It has been revealed that Brexit has left an additional €75bn hole in the EU budget previously paid by the UK which now has to be shared between member states.

Friction between member states – A report warns that the UK's departure from the EU could lead to serious divisions in the bloc. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace reported that the UK was a major player in the EU and its departure could lead to a split in Brussels over economic policy and the eurozone, resulting in a power shift towards France and Germany. The Franco-German axis will be countered by other nations forming smaller factions, as was previously seen in disputes over the EU budget. The Carnegie experts added "In the wake of Brexit, the northern member states will be concerned that the orientation of the EU will change. They especially fear a stronger drive toward deeper fiscal integration, a notion that the UK acted as a bulwark against.”

Illegal Directive – Brussels faces a huge bill as a leading UK business seeks damages over a controversial EU directive that was ruled unlawful in 2018. The EU has been involved in a long-running dispute over its directive on labeling vacuum cleaners' energy consumption. Now, years after the bloc was forced to overturn the directive, Sir James Dyson is seeking £200million from the EU in the General Court in Luxembourg because of the illegal regulation. Dyson ran up considerable costs on research, development, promotions and lost sales in order to comply with the energy labeling directive.

Language – France’s campaign to have English removed as the official language of the EU is likely to be rejected. France contends that since English is the main language in only two countries, Ireland and Malta, making up only 1% of the EU population, French should be restored as the language to be used in the European Parliament and in legal proceedings. However, it was pointed out that 87% of students in the EU learn English in school while only 19% learn French.

Still, as Wizaard would say, they're your problems EU, own them.
2025 the EU will be finished.
 

Recidivist3

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tommytwojags

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Not quite what you claim in your o/p


"It will be difficult for people to understand why we would prefer to use broken English after Brexit"

"A post-Brexit Europe which would work only in one language, would communicate only in one language would be a mistake."


Sounds to me like he wants to restore French in place of the existing English.
 

tangerinenotorange

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There's only one message from Messr Beaune in those links. Dump English and bring back French. It aint gonna happen Beaunehead. Nobody speaks that language anymore, even the French communicate in English.
 

tommytwojags

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There's only one message from Messr Beaune in those links. Dump English and bring back French. It aint gonna happen Beaunehead. Nobody speaks that language anymore, even the French communicate in English.
That's the opposite of what he said.

I think we all know what he said - Bring back French. It's not as if he's the only French official saying it.


There is a more serious issue here though and that is why does the EU treat Ireland with such contempt? Everything they do seems to be an abuse of the Irish.

Campaigning to remove their main language from the EU's proceedings

Attempting to obliterate the NI protocol without even consulting the Irish government in an attempt to punish the UK

Blocking UK wagons movement to France knowing full well that it was the main transport route from the ROI to Europe

Fishing illegally in Irish waters

Reducing Irish fishing quotas post Brexit

Threatening Ireland if they didn't sign up to the EU vaccination procurement programme and then failing to provide vaccines.


Ireland has so much more in common with the UK than with the 27. It should have left the EU with us or it will be forever punished by them.
 

Wizaard

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I think we all know what he said - Bring back French. It's not as if he's the only French official saying it.


There is a more serious issue here though and that is why does the EU treat Ireland with such contempt? Everything they do seems to be an abuse of the Irish.

Campaigning to remove their main language from the EU's proceedings

Attempting to obliterate the NI protocol without even consulting the Irish government in an attempt to punish the UK

Blocking UK wagons movement to France knowing full well that it was the main transport route from the ROI to Europe

Fishing illegally in Irish waters

Reducing Irish fishing quotas post Brexit

Threatening Ireland if they didn't sign up to the EU vaccination procurement programme and then failing to provide vaccines.


Ireland has so much more in common with the UK than with the 27. It should have left the EU with us or it will be forever punished by them.
It's not a case of bringing back French. They already have it as a dual language of the set up.
 

tommytwojags

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It's not a case of bringing back French. They already have it as a dual language of the set up.

Of course it's a case of bringing back the language. That's what was previously used. It's a limited, dying language with no place in European Parliamentary procedures and nobody wants it except France.
 

Wizaard

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Of course it's a case of bringing back the language. That's what was previously used. It's a limited, dying language with no place in European Parliamentary procedures and nobody wants it except France.
It still is. They use both. Everything is in two languages
 

Foolweary

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I can see the Germans wanting to speak French
Eh really?

Seeing as just about all of them under 50 speak English already, that their school system is incredibly well organised in teaching their children with all the required infrastructure , and every town has private firms and individual employed to give you further lessons, why on earth would you say that?

Never mind it's the international language for business.
 

Foolweary

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Ireland has so much more in common with the UK than with the 27. It should have left the EU with us or it will be forever punished by them.
Oh my goodness, absolutely zero percent chance. No one and I mean no one wants this. Probably including the UK Government.

Have you been playing risk?
 

Foolweary

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2025 the EU will be finished.
Could you add the reason why it will be finished please, I need to keep my list of the EU is toast current

Geert wilders will win in Holland the EU IS TOAST
le pen will be French president the EU IS TOAST
There's a refendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
There's another referendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
AFD will be in power in Germany the EU IS TOAST
Merkel is dieing of Parkinson's the EU IS TOAST
We've got more vaccines than you, the EU IS TOAST
 

Old_Laytonian

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Could you add the reason why it will be finished please, I need to keep my list of the EU is toast current

Geert wilders will win in Holland the EU IS TOAST
le pen will be French president the EU IS TOAST
There's a refendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
There's another referendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
AFD will be in power in Germany the EU IS TOAST
Merkel is dieing of Parkinson's the EU IS TOAST
We've got more vaccines than you, the EU IS TOAST
Have you posted on the Football side of the Forum
 

Lost Seasider

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Eh really?

Seeing as just about all of them under 50 speak English already, that their school system is incredibly well organised in teaching their children with all the required infrastructure , and every town has private firms and individual employed to give you further lessons, why on earth would you say that?

Sarcasm isn't your thing is it?
 

Lost Seasider

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Will they make air traffic controllers speak French aswell ?

Paris CDG apparently is a notoriously bad and possibly dangerous airport partly for that reason, the ATC work in French and only drop into English if they have to, but that means that all the non-Francophone pilots don't know what's going on, something you really don't want from an aviation safety point of view.
 

SomersetSeasider

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Fishing – European trawlermen are struggling to adapt to the new post-Brexit rules when fishing in Britain's coastal waters. European trawlermen have warned that new technicalities introduced at the start of the year are hindering their access to UK fishing grounds. They claim that although the UK has largely adopted the existing European regulations there are also points where the UK deviates and new conditions, such as the type of panels required in nets, are creating difficulties. These come on top of the cost of the Brexit deal whereby EU fishermen have to hand back 25% of the value of fish caught in UK waters, which will leave them with a €200m Brexit loss.

Vaccines – Analysts at German finance giant Allianz have warned that the delay in rollout of the covid vaccine scheme put the EU five weeks behind the UK, which could cost its economy €90 billion. This forecast is subject to further potential risks, related for instance to new variants of covid-19.

Banking – NatWest has announced that it is closing down all branches of Ulster Bank in the Republic of Ireland following Brexit. The phased closure of the 88 branches will result in 2800 job losses.

Brexit black hole – It has been revealed that Brexit has left an additional €75bn hole in the EU budget previously paid by the UK which now has to be shared between member states.

Friction between member states – A report warns that the UK's departure from the EU could lead to serious divisions in the bloc. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace reported that the UK was a major player in the EU and its departure could lead to a split in Brussels over economic policy and the eurozone, resulting in a power shift towards France and Germany. The Franco-German axis will be countered by other nations forming smaller factions, as was previously seen in disputes over the EU budget. The Carnegie experts added "In the wake of Brexit, the northern member states will be concerned that the orientation of the EU will change. They especially fear a stronger drive toward deeper fiscal integration, a notion that the UK acted as a bulwark against.”

Illegal Directive – Brussels faces a huge bill as a leading UK business seeks damages over a controversial EU directive that was ruled unlawful in 2018. The EU has been involved in a long-running dispute over its directive on labeling vacuum cleaners' energy consumption. Now, years after the bloc was forced to overturn the directive, Sir James Dyson is seeking £200million from the EU in the General Court in Luxembourg because of the illegal regulation. Dyson ran up considerable costs on research, development, promotions and lost sales in order to comply with the energy labeling directive.

Language – France’s campaign to have English removed as the official language of the EU is likely to be rejected. France contends that since English is the main language in only two countries, Ireland and Malta, making up only 1% of the EU population, French should be restored as the language to be used in the European Parliament and in legal proceedings. However, it was pointed out that 87% of students in the EU learn English in school while only 19% learn French.

Still, as Wizaard would say, they're your problems EU, own them.
Blimey, according to you and your EU hating mates there’s nothing but bad news in the EU. As has been said previously, the French in particular must been standing on their shores looking across the channel in envy!
You’re obsessed!
 

Tangojoe

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Blimey, according to you and your EU hating mates there’s nothing but bad news in the EU. As has been said previously, the French in particular must been standing on their shores looking across the channel in envy!
You’re obsessed!
Obsessed? Nope just balancing some of the bollox posted on here every day by those who are.
 
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