Lucy Letby

Some of the senior staff will be sweating at the thought of Letby potentially being let off. If it wasn’t her then it’s on them! I’d be furious if I was a parent or relative of one of the victims.
I'm not sure if furious is the appropriate emotion.

Whatever has happened, theyve lost a child.
 
I am not sure about that.
Other evidence that is irrefutable, found in her flat;
Having experience of living with somebody who suffers from anxiety and mental health issues, this correlates with the advice given by professionals as part of the 'dealing with it'
It works on the premise that writing down and listing your negative thoughts, be that about yourself or how others may perceive you, helps to unburden the mind.
They cannot and should never be taken as factual statements or admissions of guilt.
I have seen first hand how obscure and unwarranted some of these thoughts can be and bear no resemblance to reality.
It's scary to think what my partner could have been convicted of based on them, had they been involved in a similar scenario.
 
There is no such thing (or very rarely) irrefutable evidence - to say otherwise is nonsense!
Irrefutable in that it implicated her in the deaths and that she would have to explain it. She ended up in court because of several things and not just because of the suspicions of other staff. To the uninitiated eye it looks a lot like a confession of murder - it may not be of course but she certainly has a lot of explaining to do.
 
Irrefutable in that it implicated her in the deaths and that she would have to explain it. She ended up in court because of several things and not just because of the suspicions of other staff. To the uninitiated eye it looks a lot like a confession of murder - it may not be of course but she certainly has a lot of explaining to do.
So its not irrefutable evidence as I said?
 
Yes, the fact he’s willing to potentially risk some of his credibility must mean something.
There is a criminal barrister on there too who seems unconvinced. Plus a few in the nursing/medical profession who don’t know Letby and are too frightened to have their identity revealed for fear of career repercussions.
Phil Hammond has a long held, and to be fair reasonable, concern about expert witnesses. I think his views are well argued but come from a particular mindset.
Only one person in the world truly knows if Lucy Letby is innocent or guilty and yet is Lucy herself. The justice system has to reach a decision on the evidence available and in my experience gets it right 90+% of the time. When it gets it wrong it is calamitous
 
Phil Hammond has a long held, and to be fair reasonable, concern about expert witnesses. I think his views are well argued but come from a particular mindset.
Only one person in the world truly knows if Lucy Letby is innocent or guilty and yet is Lucy herself. The justice system has to reach a decision on the evidence available and in my experience gets it right 90+% of the time. When it gets it wrong it is calamitous
I had a discussion about the Letby case and expert witnesses with a friend who is a barrister a few months ago as we both suspected that the Letby case would be reviewed / challenged. His view was rather surprising in that expert witnesses are a part of an industry and that (to paraphrase) you can find an expert witness to support most defences / prosecutions. He told a story of his time in property law (I think) whereby two expert witnesses who presented opposing opinions would often appear at the same trials and forged an unlikely friendship. In his rather cynical view, they both viewed the judicial process as a good way of making a living out of their expertise and played the game that they were asked to by counsel. Arriving at the truth doesn't come into it.
 
I had a discussion about the Letby case and expert witnesses with a friend who is a barrister a few months ago as we both suspected that the Letby case would be reviewed / challenged. His view was rather surprising in that expert witnesses are a part of an industry and that (to paraphrase) you can find an expert witness to support most defences / prosecutions. He told a story of his time in property law (I think) whereby two expert witnesses who presented opposing opinions would often appear at the same trials and forged an unlikely friendship. In his rather cynical view, they both viewed the judicial process as a good way of making a living out of their expertise and played the game that they were asked to by counsel. Arriving at the truth doesn't come into it.
These expert guys have worked pro bono
and at least one is retired so I don’t see this recent kickback as a money making opportunity.
As an aside, only 3 of the verdicts were actually unanimous jury outcomes, and they were the ones based on the insulin evidence. If that evidence is now not supportive of murder then it shows how easily these verdicts can crumble.
Time will tell with all of this. It’s not going to be cut and dried either way.
I am surprised at how much support Letby has from within the legal and medical professional fields though, and wonder why they would speak out so vehemently if the doubts weren’t so strong, and I’m not talking about her defence team, but others who have previously come forward to vocalise concern.
 
As I understand it, Letby has had two appeals turned down to date. In order for another appeal to have the convictions overturned, there has to be actual NEW evidence, as opposed to merely putting a different 'interpretation' of the evidence as presented in the two trials.
Because of the complexities of cases (not just Letby's), it is believed that the chances of having the sentences/convictions overturned, and a retrial is around 3%.

The point is, If this case, and other 'miscarriages of justice' that have been proven to be so, then it just serves to highlight why this country doesn't have the choice of capital punishment anymore, and why it should never be reinstated.
 
These expert guys have worked pro bono
and at least one is retired so I don’t see this recent kickback as a money making opportunity.
As an aside, only 3 of the verdicts were actually unanimous jury outcomes, and they were the ones based on the insulin evidence. If that evidence is now not supportive of murder then it shows how easily these verdicts can crumble.
Time will tell with all of this. It’s not going to be cut and dried either way.
I am surprised at how much support Letby has from within the legal and medical professional fields though, and wonder why they would speak out so vehemently if the doubts weren’t so strong, and I’m not talking about her defence team, but others who have previously come forward to vocalise concern.
The anecdote above doesn't include things like the intervention that occured yesterday, it is perhaps more of a criticism of the expert witnesses who spoke at the trial, who I expect will have been paid.
 
I didn't sit through the weeks of court room debate, nor have I read the latest findings in any detail.

As such, I am not in a position to act as judge and juror in this case.

What the whole thing does though, is confirm my belief that capital punishment should never be reinstated. Imagine if she is found not guilty at some future stage, and it has all been a gross miscarriage of justice.

At the time of the initial sentencing, a fair few on here were baying for the death penalty as it was such a clear cut conviction.
 
I didn't sit through the weeks of court room debate, nor have I read the latest findings in any detail.

As such, I am not in a position to act as judge and juror in this case.

What the whole thing does though, is confirm my belief that capital punishment should never be reinstated. Imagine if she is found not guilty at some future stage, and it has all been a gross miscarriage of justice.

At the time of the initial sentencing, a fair few on here were baying for the death penalty as it was such a clear cut conviction.
I’m not sure anyone said hang her after her guilty conviction I stand corrected if you prove me wrong however.

But surely you can see this isn’t an open/shut case? No one actually saw Letby kill 7 babies or try to kill 7 others it was all founded on evidence and theories but even to this day she has always pleaded her innocence.

Roll on to the Southport murder scumbag where there is no doubt at all he did it it’s a completely different argument so I surprised you can’t see that.

This scumbag and others like him where there is no doubt at all he/they did it should have faced the death penalty and I’ll say that till the day I die.

Prison is just too good a place to serve out a sentence for the lives they’ve wrecked.
 
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I didn't sit through the weeks of court room debate, nor have I read the latest findings in any detail.

As such, I am not in a position to act as judge and juror in this case.

What the whole thing does though, is confirm my belief that capital punishment should never be reinstated. Imagine if she is found not guilty at some future stage, and it has all been a gross miscarriage of justice.

At the time of the initial sentencing, a fair few on here were baying for the death penalty as it was such a clear cut conviction.
indeed there were and some of them haven't revisited the thread. Whether she's guilty or not, i don't know but it seems pretty clear that there's enough doubt to realise the conviction at this point in time is unsafe.
 
I’m not sure anyone said hang her after her guilty conviction I stand corrected if you prove me wrong however.

But surely you can see this isn’t an open/shut case? No one actually saw Letby kill 7 babies or try to kill 7 others it was all founded on evidence and theories but even to this day she has always pleaded her innocence.

Roll on to the Southport murder scumbag where there is no doubt at all he did it it’s a completely different argument so I surprised you can’t see that.

This scumbag and others like him where there is no doubt at all he/they did it should have faced the death penalty and I’ll say that till the day I die.

Prison is just too good a place to serve out a sentence for the lives they’ve wrecked.
Still no. A civilised society doesn't kill people in the name of justice.
 
go on then, i'll be kind to you. When you hit reply, just then delete the emoji from the post you are replying to and then you can reply to it. Simples.
I’ve reported this post with a cry for help to get them to fix this new ish issue!
 
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