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thedevilsadvocate said:
He wasn't getting a sniff before his dad passed away Allez.
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I’m not sure that’s strictly true, he’s had a three full 90 minutes and a 45 and the chances are that the situation at home will have been up in the air for some time before his dad passed.

I must admit I had kind of forgotten that had been involved to that extent early doors, but just checked out of interest.
 
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Athers said:
Lyons far too attacking for Critchley. Doesn’t possess the pure “meh” of a Connolly or Oakley-Boothe, which is key to our manager…
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It really isn’t, Critchleys mantra is total football where we dominate possession and win games of football, understandably after the car crash that was last season he hasn’t quite turned it completely around yet, but it is already infinitely better, at some point in the not too distant it will all click together, everyone will be match fit and up to speed, we will finish the season the best team in the league again I am sure.
 
Hazi said:
It really isn’t, Critchleys mantra is total football where we dominate possession and win games of football, understandably after the car crash that was last season he hasn’t quite turned it completely around yet, but it is already infinitely better, at some point in the not too distant it will all click together, everyone will be match fit and up to speed, we will finish the season the best team in the league again I am sure.
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Sorry but total football where we dominate possession 🤔 when was the last time the stats said we DOMINATE possession in any game. We are afraid to go for it and worry far too much about the opposition
 
Athers said:
Lyons far too attacking for Critchley. Doesn’t possess the pure “meh” of a Connolly or Oakley-Boothe, which is key to our manager…
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Connolly is not meh
He is not the best option as first choice in any position, but reliable as cover across defence and midfield.
Would be more than happy for him to be awarded another contract
 
Devonshire said:
Sorry but total football where we dominate possession 🤔 when was the last time the stats said we DOMINATE possession in any game. We are afraid to go for it and worry far too much about the opposition
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Stevenage at home the only game we’ve put a 90 minute performance in
 
Devonshire said:
Sorry but total football where we dominate possession 🤔 when was the last time the stats said we DOMINATE possession in any game. We are afraid to go for it and worry far too much about the opposition
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We’ve dominated possession in a number of games this season, but as @Hazi suggests, it’s a work in progress right now. We’re a team that was all over the place last season… 3 different managers, 3 different styles… Some players were low on confidence and we’ve brought new players in… That’s before we get onto changes at board level.

All of that takes time to bed in and knit together….

We are seeing a bit of uncertainty still and sone of the players can lack the confidence to make mistakes (personally I think the unforgiving crowd has played a part in that).

Confidence will build over time and you’ll be surprised as to how that will impact performances, but it’s not going to just happen overnight…. It takes lots of repetition and a certain amount of patience (especially from the supporters)
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure that’s strictly true, he’s had a three full 90 minutes and a 45 and the chances are that the situation at home will have been up in the air for some time before his dad passed.

I must admit I had kind of forgotten that had been involved to that extent early doors, but just checked out of interest.
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Pretty certain that he'll leave in January, just my opinion, are we allowed opinions ?
 
Hazi said:
It really isn’t, Critchleys mantra is total football where we dominate possession and win games of football, understandably after the car crash that was last season he hasn’t quite turned it completely around yet, but it is already infinitely better, at some point in the not too distant it will all click together, everyone will be match fit and up to speed, we will finish the season the best team in the league again I am sure.
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Fact check: infinitely?
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
Pretty certain that he'll leave in January, just my opinion, are we allowed opinions ?
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You're allowed an opinion, but you said "he wasn't getting a sniff before his Dad Passed away...."

That's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact and it's not correct.

He'd actually started three of the four opening games and also played a half in the fifth game just before his dad died. I'm not sure how you could ever describe that as not getting a sniff, but maybe you can explain what you mean?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You're allowed an opinion, but you said "he wasn't getting a sniff before his Dad Passed away...."

That's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact and it's not correct.

He'd actually started three of the four opening games and also played a half in the fifth game just before his dad died. I'm not sure how you could ever describe that as not getting a sniff, but maybe you can explain what you mean?
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Added to the fact his dad, who'd had a massive influence on his career, had been ill for some time. That hadn't come to light & obviously had an effect on Andy & explains his slightly below par start to this season.
 
There's a shocking lack of empathy and ability to understand what might be affecting Lyons at the moment, from some people. At a very young age he's lost his father and mentor, and will have been grieving. It is a traumatic experience for a lot of people and it can affect performance significantly. When my parents died I had to go back in the classroom without time off and it wasn't easy and I struggled for a while. If teaching was a squad game I wouldn't have made the bench. But I gradually got back up to speed. It's unfortunate but football is not even slightly important. He'll be back in the groove in the coming weeks I'm sure.
 
voyeur said:
There's a shocking lack of empathy and ability to understand what might be affecting Lyons at the moment, from some people. At a very young age he's lost his father and mentor, and will have been grieving. It is a traumatic experience for a lot of people and it can affect performance significantly. When my parents died I had to go back in the classroom without time off and it wasn't easy and I struggled for a while. If teaching was a squad game I wouldn't have made the bench. But I gradually got back up to speed. It's unfortunate but football is not even slightly important. He'll be back in the groove in the coming weeks I'm sure.
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start Lyons tonight !
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You're allowed an opinion, but you said "he wasn't getting a sniff before his Dad Passed away...."

That's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact and it's not correct.

He'd actually started three of the four opening games and also played a half in the fifth game just before his dad died. I'm not sure how you could ever describe that as not getting a sniff, but maybe you can explain what you mean?
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It wasn't a statement of fact at all, it's how I remember his lack of appearances this season. Note to self; must do better in researching absolutely everything that is posted on here just so that I can have the last word.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
It wasn't a statement of fact at all, it's how I remember his lack of appearances this season. Note to self; must do better in researching absolutely everything that is posted on here just so that I can have the last word.
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Crikey, don’t get so hung up about it ffs. Of course you stated it as a fact (what else could it be?).

If I said “CJ Hamilton has barely featured all season”

Would that be my ‘opinion’ or would it be me getting my facts wrong ?

As I said originally, I’d forgotten myself he had played so much, until I checked. Now that we both know the facts, surely that’s a good thing isn’t it?

We now know that Lyon’s was getting a look in (in fact he was clearly first choice) and therefore there’s no reason why he’d be looking elsewhere… In fact I’d imagine he feels a debt of loyalty, given how understanding the Club has been at this difficult time 👍
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Crikey, don’t get so hung up about it ffs. Of course you stated it as a fact (what else could it be?).

If I said “CJ Hamilton has barely featured all season”

Would that be my ‘opinion’ or would it be me getting my facts wrong ?

As I said originally, I’d forgotten myself he had played so much, until I checked. Now that we both know the facts, surely that’s a good thing isn’t it?

We now know that Lyon’s was getting a look in (in fact he was clearly first choice) and therefore there’s no reason why he’d be looking elsewhere… In fact I’d imagine he feels a debt of loyalty, given how understanding the Club has been at this difficult time 👍
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Lyons is fit and ready to play and has been since the Derby game.
 
iamwinters said:
Lyons is fit and ready to play and has been since the Derby game.
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Andy Lyons suffered a serious clash of heads in the Central League game against Preston North End, late September. He was on the bench recently vs Cheltenham and I'd expect to see him gradually introduced by Critchley once he's fully up to speed.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Andy Lyons suffered a serious clash of heads in the Central League game against Preston North End, late September. He was on the bench recently vs Cheltenham and I'd expect to see him gradually introduced by Critchley once he's fully up to speed.
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Lyons is fit and ready to play and has been for a while. Obviously, he lost his place when he went back home, but since he has returned he has been ready.
 
iamwinters said:
Lyons is fit and ready to play and has been for a while. Obviously, he lost his place when he went back home, but since he has returned he has been ready.
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Yep... Like I said, he suffered a clash of heads and so there would have been precautionary measures for a couple of weeks. Whether fit or nay, his performances in training and any behind closed doors / development games will determine whether he is ready to play first team football again. He's now in the situation of needing to earn his place, just like anyone else... It's not a given.
 
iamwinters said:
:) Fact
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Hmm I'm not so sure it is fact...

If you wanted to be factual, then you'd probably have been better saying "He's available for selection". Saying he's "Fit and ready to play" wanders into the realm of opinion really, because other's (including the manager) might feel that he's not yet fit and ready.

Happy to help you chaps to separate the Fact, the Opinion and the Fiction:):)
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Hmm I'm not so sure it is fact...

If you wanted to be factual, then you'd probably have been better saying "He's available for selection". Saying he's "Fit and ready to play" wanders into the realm of opinion really, because other's (including the manager) might feel that he's not yet fit and ready.

Happy to help you chaps to separate the Fact, the Opinion and the Fiction:):)
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He's fit and available to play in the opinion of the person in question.
 
FY4Representer said:
I’m more excited for the return of Gabriel than Lyons. Not saying Lyons is bad but he isn’t the world beater that people on here make him out to be.
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He was voted best young player in the League of Ireland where there are some quality players and he was playing impressively in European football for Shamrock when we signed him. He is clearly a very good prospect and will come good either for us or another club. I hope he's getting the proper encouragement to be with us for the next few years before the big money bids come along.
 
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Devonshire said:
Sorry but total football where we dominate possession 🤔 when was the last time the stats said we DOMINATE possession in any game. We are afraid to go for it and worry far too much about the opposition
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That's RUBBISH mate. We dominate possession fully when the ball is in our half, it's just when we get over the half way line......
 
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