Madine as Captain

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One thing I did notice yesterday was Madine’s never ending instructions to the team. Has he been Captain very often? I generally don’t look out for who is Captain of the side but know Eki has done it a few times.

I genuinely think they were playing more for Madine than Appleton yesterday - definitely commands respect on the pitch.
 
He's a good leader, however he should be on the pitch for whole games all the time, when he's tired the closing down is vastly reduced.

He should be used a little more sparingly.
 
Out of all our forwards yesterday he was the one doing the most pressing, and that's saying something when Lavery is on the pitch. He lead the line well and is a good aerial threat, defensively too. There may be better players we can bring in, however with what we have available right now he's totally deserving of his place in the team, and the captaincy. He's our most experienced player.
 
BFC_53 said:
Out of all our forwards yesterday he was the one doing the most pressing, and that's saying something when Lavery is on the pitch. He lead the line well and is a good aerial threat, defensively too. There may be better players we can bring in, however with what we have available right now he's totally deserving of his place in the team, and the captaincy. He's our most experienced player.
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personally, i think he would make a decent interim manager / head coach.
 
JJpool said:
He's a good leader, however he should be on the pitch for whole games all the time, when he's tired the closing down is vastly reduced.

He should be used a little more sparingly.
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Was surprised when Beesley came on it wasn't as a one for one with Madine leaving Jake and Jerry up front.
 
Agreed, it was very good to see The Captain barking out instructions to his fellow attackers and midfielders to close down and get back into position , looks like he may be good as a Captain - also ran across to talk to Appleton a few times , when play was stopped. Also very good defensively at cornesr and dangerous free kicks. I also need to echo that he looks fit and slimmer currently . Stay fit , Gary Goals.
 
I like Madine, causes defences real problems. And yes, we should be using his experience and utilising this in a captaincy.
Just not too sure he’s got 90 mins in him….
 
I must be in a minority of one, as I think he wins very few headers and is a poor finisher. On the occasions he does win the ball, that takes him out of the attacking move because of his lack of mobility. Works hard, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a queue of other clubs lining up for him.
 
911_Kirky said:
I like Madine, causes defences real problems. And yes, we should be using his experience and utilising this in a captaincy.
Just not too sure he’s got 90 mins in him….
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Well he has just played three times in six days, looks fitter than ever. The one player who IMO has not regressed under Appleton and one of his better decisions to make him captain.
 
Dougz said:
Well he has just played three times in six days, looks fitter than ever. The one player who IMO has not regressed under Appleton and one of his better decisions to make him captain.
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Thornley, Carey and CJ have also improved under Appleton

Oh and Jerry is on course to beat last seasons goal total
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Thornley, Carey and CJ have also improved under Appleton

Oh and Jerry is on course to beat last seasons goal total
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Wouldn’t say improving but in Thornileys case he is getting a regular opportunity to show what he can do and always could. A real blind spot of Critchleys that one. He was already a good solid player and a very good reader of the game.
 
Madine is a strong character and an influential voice in the dressing room. Possibly a good appointment by Appleton and I would have thought that if the players were not behind the manager then we would have seen some evidence of that by now, which we haven’t. The only problem is that Appleton might be too scared to bring him off now 😀
 
basilexile said:
I must be in a minority of one, as I think he wins very few headers and is a poor finisher. On the occasions he does win the ball, that takes him out of the attacking move because of his lack of mobility. Works hard, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a queue of other clubs lining up for him.
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Spot on i just dont know what people are watching .He is up there to win and hold the ball and he rarely does it . Watch the games back and just watch how little ball he wins . Its staggering how poor he actually is at this , he does it once in half a dozen games or more and usually when the defender is small. To say he played well yesterday is a joke .Yes he is good at running around shouting and moaning but thats it and calling him goal machine is one thing he isnt he misses most chances he gets even easy ones .
 
phill said:
Spot on i just dont know what people are watching .He is up there to win and hold the ball and he rarely does it . Watch the games back and just watch how little ball he wins . Its staggering how poor he actually is at this , he does it once in half a dozen games or more and usually when the defender is small. To say he played well yesterday is a joke .Yes he is good at running around shouting and moaning but thats it and calling him goal machine is one thing he isnt he misses most chances he gets even easy ones .
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Its fine to have different opinions, but a quick glance at the stats makes this statement look pretty harsh. Madine has won 90 aerial duals this season, or 5.31 per 90 minutes, which puts him in the 99 percentile (i.e. only 1 percent do better) so hard to see how he is "staggeringly poor" at it.

Also very good in the ground duels stats, where he is 96 percentile for number of times he's been involved in them (257) and 90 percentile for success (113). He's also got our most assists so far with 4, so I think it's pretty unfair to suggest he doesn't contribute much.

He has limitations sure, mainly for me not the most mobile, but he's played much of the season struggling to have anyone near enough to him to do much more than he has done. Been great for us this season IMO and I suspect opposition defenders wished we'd not pick him.
 
hills98 said:
Its fine to have different opinions, but a quick glance at the stats makes this statement look pretty harsh. Madine has won 90 aerial duals this season, or 5.31 per 90 minutes, which puts him in the 99 percentile (i.e. only 1 percent do better) so hard to see how he is "staggeringly poor" at it.

Also very good in the ground duels stats, where he is 96 percentile for number of times he's been involved in them (257) and 90 percentile for success (113). He's also got our most assists so far with 4, so I think it's pretty unfair to suggest he doesn't contribute much.

He has limitations sure, mainly for me not the most mobile, but he's played much of the season struggling to have anyone near enough to him to do much more than he has done. Been great for us this season IMO and I suspect opposition defenders wished we'd not pick him.
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If the ball is not hit to exactly where he wants it, he frequently makes no attempt to challenge for the ball. That maybe distorts the stats.
 
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basilexile said:
If the ball is not hit to exactly where he wants it, he frequently makes no attempt to challenge for the ball. That maybe distorts the stats.
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Well you can argue that, but the stat I'm quoting isn't his percentage won - its how many he wins per 90 minutes, which puts him in the top 99 percentile. You could argue, if you think he doesnt bother to challenge for some balls he could win, that he could be even better than 99 pc if he did challenge for them! Personally, I don't see the issue you're seeing, which is fine, it's all about opinions.
 
basilexile said:
I must be in a minority of one, as I think he wins very few headers and is a poor finisher. On the occasions he does win the ball, that takes him out of the attacking move because of his lack of mobility. Works hard, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a queue of other clubs lining up for him.
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Seriously, who else would be interested in him at this point in time?. He's coming towards the end of his career so his next step if not with us would be a lower league team so there is never gonna be a queue of other clubs lining up for him right now. He's been a great asset this season. So sorry, but I just don't get the relevance of your point.
 
20togo said:
Seriously, who else would be interested in him at this point in time?. He's coming towards the end of his career so his next step if not with us would be a lower league team so there is never gonna be a queue of other clubs lining up for him right now. He's been a great asset this season. So sorry, but I just don't get the relevance of your point.
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Billy Sharp is 4 years older than Gary. Jamie Vardy is 3 years older. I know they are different types of striker as the actually score goals. There would be a queue for either of those. Gary may be the best we have, but that is maybe a reflection of where we are.
 
basilexile said:
Billy Sharp is 4 years older than Gary. Jamie Vardy is 3 years older. I know they are different types of striker as the actually score goals. There would be a queue for either of those. Gary may be the best we have, but that is maybe a reflection of where we are.
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totally unfair comparison. Vardy has been a top PL striker and an England International still plying his trade in the PL. Billy Sharp as you say is a different type of striker, he's not a target man. But yes, you're right, Madine is a reflection of where we are right now and if we have any ambition then we need to improve on him.
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 why do you think that, Costero
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Because he has some tactical nous, he's sees things to bring players into play that most others don't and you can see how he motivates players around him. The squad has enough talent to compete, what it lacks is organisation and a bit of motivation
 
hills98 said:
Its fine to have different opinions, but a quick glance at the stats makes this statement look pretty harsh. Madine has won 90 aerial duals this season, or 5.31 per 90 minutes, which puts him in the 99 percentile (i.e. only 1 percent do better) so hard to see how he is "staggeringly poor" at it.

Also very good in the ground duels stats, where he is 96 percentile for number of times he's been involved in them (257) and 90 percentile for success (113). He's also got our most assists so far with 4, so I think it's pretty unfair to suggest he doesn't contribute much.

He has limitations sure, mainly for me not the most mobile, but he's played much of the season struggling to have anyone near enough to him to do much more than he has done. Been great for us this season IMO and I suspect opposition defenders wished we'd not pick him.
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Got to add in the pre assists he adds as well where he starts key moves.
 
basilexile said:
I must be in a minority of one, as I think he wins very few headers and is a poor finisher. On the occasions he does win the ball, that takes him out of the attacking move because of his lack of mobility. Works hard, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a queue of other clubs lining up for him.
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He's literally lead the division's strikers in aerial duels won for two seasons! Literally!
 
hills98 said:
Its fine to have different opinions, but a quick glance at the stats makes this statement look pretty harsh. Madine has won 90 aerial duals this season, or 5.31 per 90 minutes, which puts him in the 99 percentile (i.e. only 1 percent do better) so hard to see how he is "staggeringly poor" at it.

Also very good in the ground duels stats, where he is 96 percentile for number of times he's been involved in them (257) and 90 percentile for success (113). He's also got our most assists so far with 4, so I think it's pretty unfair to suggest he doesn't contribute much.

He has limitations sure, mainly for me not the most mobile, but he's played much of the season struggling to have anyone near enough to him to do much more than he has done. Been great for us this season IMO and I suspect opposition defenders wished we'd not pick him.
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This. With bells on.
 
I liked the way he kept on at that inept ref against Sheffield United
Finally getting him to give free kicks against them for the same foul he booked Connollly
And even booking the odd one of them
 
I thought he played great last time out. He is a target man which we need as we're not able to break teams down due to a lack of quality elsewhere on the pitch. I see basil's point though, often the duels he wins are end of move due to a lack of support around him and good defending.

It would be nice to have the direct ball into him as a plan B, rather than a plan A, if we can get the quality in this window
 
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