Madine

snowy797

snowy797

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Going forward in that first half we had no pass to make because madine is no where to be seen. Can’t help but think if Lavery or Yates was on we’d have had a goal based on the fact they’d be in the right places.
 
We need to change something because we do find goals quite hard to come by.
I understand the need for a physical presence up front but Madine doesn't score enough.
Maybe change the lineup a bit, assuming every one is fit.

Maxwell
Ekpiteta Keogh Husband
Gabriel Dougall Wintle James
Anderson
Madine Lavery

Grimshaw
Sterling
Gretarrsson
Stewart
Mitchell
Dale
Yates
 
gjr69 said:
We need to change something because we do find goals quite hard to come by.
I understand the need for a physical presence up front but Madine doesn't score enough.
Maybe change the lineup a bit, assuming every one is fit.

Maxwell
Ekpiteta Keogh Husband
Gabriel Dougall Wintle James
Anderson
Madine Lavery

Grimshaw
Sterling
Gretarrsson
Stewart
Mitchell
Dale
Yates
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said it on another thread, playing two wingers isn't working at the moment. Inverted wingers don't help a big centre forward either as pretty much no decent crosses are put into the box.
 
20togo said:
said it on another thread, playing two wingers isn't working at the moment. Inverted wingers don't help a big centre forward either as pretty much no decent crosses are put into the box.
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Inverted wingers work if the wingers provide a goal threat, the only player we have that operates wide and has the odd goal in him is Anderson at a push Hamilton but that was in League 1.
Maybe the manager has to have a bit of a rethink.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Podsibly the November opposition have had big men in the team. That requires Madine. Yes, I'd put Yates along side him but Critch hasn't.
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oh i agree, think a major factor as to why Madine is a regular starter is because of the strength of the opposition in the air. But he needs a partner be that Lavery or Yates. At he moment Critch is making plenty of changes to the team on a weekly basis but he's not changing the formation of how we play. At the moment two wide and inverted wingers isn't working. Bowler is badly out of form, Mitchell and Dale didn't really put a decent cross in and don't think wither of them looked a threat today. Sure, I think Critch looks at the strength of the opposition but I'd go with just Keshi out wide at the moment and get a partner alongside Madine. That said, we need some-one to create chances from the midfield for us as generally speaking out forward have nothing to feed off.
 
20togo said:
I think Critch looks at the strength of the opposition but I'd go with just Keshi out wide at the moment and get a partner alongside Madine. That said, we need some-one to create chances from the midfield for us as generally speaking out forward have nothing to feed off.
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It was a similar situation when we played Yates upfront on his own and everyone was saying he was shite. The Madine comes and plays with him and he’s a goal machine. It’s about creating clear opportunities for reliable front players to do their thing and as Critchley said in his interview our decision making was very poor today.
 
“20 to go” nails it. Inverted wingers means no accurate crosses; Madine’s bread and butter. He played very well yesterday,,but had nobody running off him. My first thoughts on the team selection, was that the bench looked stronger than the XI. Very rarely did Pool get behind the Brum defence until the subs were made. It was a negative selection . The last time Critch did that was at Ipswich last season. He learned from it, and didn’t do it again. Let’s all hope that History repeats itself.
 
Wow Nadine wins most of his headers ?rewatch some of the games and count as you will see he sometimes rarely wins any .There is delusion about Nadine he is a dumpling and spoils our team
 
Isn't it the job of the wingbacks in this system to get crosses in? We sometimes see Garbutt getting good balls in from wide areas, usually low balls across the area. But not so much the others who play on the right and left. we need Gabriel and James doing similar I think, even if it means playing 3 at the back. Which I think makes good use of Sterling and Husband either side of Marv. That's a strong back 3.
 
I thought madine had one of his best games yesterday, he was winning a lot hanging on to the ball and bringing in Mitchell dale and keshi, we were just incredibly wasteful in and around the penalty area, either giving the ball away at that point or not getting shots off when we had opportunity of send shots way off target when the really should have been buried. I think it might have been interesting to have bought on lavery and jezzer with 30 mins to go to give the Brum CHs something completely different to think about
 
It’s crazy how people still don’t realise Madine is in the team just as much for his arial ability in defensive situations than he is for scoring goals.
With Keogh out, the only height and player capable in the air is Ekpiteta. Birmingham are a big physical team and a threat from long throws etc, so that’s why Madine was picked.
Same reason he started against West Brom, another big physical team.
Jerry started against Swansea as they aren’t a big physical team, and build up from the back. Therefore it was vital we had Jerry’s work rate and closing down.

Critchley adjusts his team according to the opposition and has done since he’s been here. So it’s getting boring seeing the same old debates after pretty much every game.
 
ThorntonPool said:
It’s crazy how people still don’t realise Madine is in the team just as much for his arial ability in defensive situations than he is for scoring goals.
With Keogh out, the only height and player capable in the air is Ekpiteta. Birmingham are a big physical team and a threat from long throws etc, so that’s why Madine was picked.
Same reason he started against West Brom, another big physical team.
Jerry started against Swansea as they aren’t a big physical team, and build up from the back. Therefore it was vital we had Jerry’s work rate and closing down.

Critchley adjusts his team according to the opposition and has done since he’s been here. So it’s getting boring seeing the same old debates after pretty much every game.
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To be fair I’m yet to see a team in this division that isn’t massive and poses an aerial threat.
 
phill said:
Wow Nadine wins most of his headers ?rewatch some of the games and count as you will see he sometimes rarely wins any .There is delusion about Nadine he is a dumpling and spoils our team
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Leave Madine's alter ego out of this. He can be Nadine in the evenings whilst eating his chicken curry....if that's what floats his boat.
 
gjr69 said:
We need to change something because we do find goals quite hard to come by.
I understand the need for a physical presence up front but Madine doesn't score enough.
Maybe change the lineup a bit, assuming every one is fit.

Maxwell
Ekpiteta Keogh Husband
Gabriel Dougall Wintle James
Anderson
Madine Lavery

Grimshaw
Sterling
Gretarrsson
Stewart
Mitchell
Dale
Yates
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We've scored 20 goals in 20 games, none of our strikers score enough, they just don't get the service at the moment
 
ThorntonPool said:
It’s crazy how people still don’t realise Madine is in the team just as much for his arial ability in defensive situations than he is for scoring goals.
With Keogh out, the only height and player capable in the air is Ekpiteta. Birmingham are a big physical team and a threat from long throws etc, so that’s why Madine was picked.
Same reason he started against West Brom, another big physical team.
Jerry started against Swansea as they aren’t a big physical team, and build up from the back. Therefore it was vital we had Jerry’s work rate and closing down.

Critchley adjusts his team according to the opposition and has done since he’s been here. So it’s getting boring seeing the same old debates after pretty much every game.
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He rarely looks like scoring and scores about 1 in 8 in the last few seasons. His defensive work should be a welcome addition to his primary job of making and scoring goals. He doesn't trouble the opposition defence enough, sorry if this is boring.
 
"Gary Goals" "Gary Madine, goal machine" utter bollocks. Apparently the highest earner in the playing staff. Never wins a ball in the air, hardly ever even gets off the ground, no press and he's so slow my grandma could outrun him( and she passed away 40 years ago)
 
I got involved in the GM debate last week. Nothing has changed. Ok, it’s a fair point that he doesn’t get good service. On the other hand, when he does get to the ball first, he’s slow to control it, gets pinched or the lay off is not the best.
Can we improve the service to him? Or do we change the front 2/3?
PS: I’ve still not thawed out.
PPs: thankyou Bob (BLT) and the crew on the bus. I haven’t laughed so much in years.
Recommend the outfit.
 
it's a mystery why our professional manager who works with him everyday in training keeps picking him.
 
ThorntonPool said:
It’s crazy how people still don’t realise Madine is in the team just as much for his arial ability in defensive situations than he is for scoring goals.
With Keogh out, the only height and player capable in the air is Ekpiteta. Birmingham are a big physical team and a threat from long throws etc, so that’s why Madine was picked.
Same reason he started against West Brom, another big physical team.
Jerry started against Swansea as they aren’t a big physical team, and build up from the back. Therefore it was vital we had Jerry’s work rate and closing down.

Critchley adjusts his team according to the opposition and has done since he’s been here. So it’s getting boring seeing the same old debates after pretty much every game.
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Regarding your last paragraph , yes he does but I would be interested to know the reasoning why Gabriel and Wintle didn't start. Wouldn't you or is that too boring ?
 
Ginge said:
I think it's the size of the CHs he's up against. He gets nullified a bit imo
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But with few or no crosses from the bi line, Madine's goal threat suffers.

I don't know how big Luton are, but if they a bit like us, you can expect Yates and/or The Wasp to start. Probably Jordy G too.
 
FessParker said:
Regarding your last paragraph , yes he does but I would be interested to know the reasoning why Gabriel and Wintle didn't start. Wouldn't you or is that too boring ?
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Why would that be boring? Gabriel and Wintle not starting isn't discussed after pretty much every game like Madine is.
 
He has a slightly awkward running motion, probably a long term injury, but he's worked hard to get as fit as he can be. Yesterday I saw him make several sprints that would clearly leave Charliecleanstonysheens granny for dead. But he's not in the team for that. As others have said his defensive capabilities are just as important, he gets in the face of opposing players and relishes the roughhouse stuff, he either wins headers or enables our players to win the second ball, and occasionally chips in with a goal, such as yesterday's sublime leap for our second which effectively killed the game. He'll do for me 👍
 
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