Madine

How many goals and how often does he hold up play should be the question and the answer is mostly rarely .On a very odd occasion he does it and this is usually against small or weak players .
 
Its OK @td53, I'll take this 😁

Even if that information was available, I doubt it would tell the full story anyway.

tbf I'd say he wins the majority of aerial duels (strangeley he wins a few on his chest), but under MA in particular there hasn't been anyone close enough to him to receive the knock down or nod on, because they've been out on the wing.

Additionally we've tended to hoof it a bit more often when Madine plays, and if it's not near him, he doesn't have the pace to make a good challenge v the CB.
 
He puts in a shift at both ends of the pitch. As long as he has someone to play off him he is a big player for us. Not 30 yards away from his nearest team mate like he was at Watford. No wonder he was frustrated, no support whatsoever. I'm sure MM and TC will get the best out of hiom and he's not in the side for his goals. He does the dirty work and his team mates appreciate it.
 
When Poveda played off of him in the Sheffield United game he was absolutely phenomenal. The key to Madine is getting players in and around him for the knockdowns, letting more mobile players press for him and letting him do the dirty work for the mobile players. Under Appleton we’ve not regularly seen attacking players playing with Madine as they’ve often been playing deep to make up for being overrun in midfield and poor defending generally. A more attack minded manager and likely a manager willing to be that bit more direct or quicker in the transition from defence to attack will see the best from Madine. In fact that speed of transition will likely suit the whole squad.
 
I believe Yates is on record as saying how much he enjoys and appreciates playing alongside Madine. And as others say, I think Madine needs someone alongside him to lay off and hold up for. For me that has to be our strongest front pair. If we can just get the midfield conundrum sorted, and I would expect McCarthy is capable of doing it, then I am all for Madine and Yates leading the attack.
 
Seems we have a Madine love in and rightly so . He may not have the pace or the trickery of other players ,but you can put Lavery ,Yates and CJ together and Madine will probably win more headers . If MM is a manager that wants to stop the goal leakage as people say then Madine will be a starter I guess.
 
Surreyseasider said:
Does any one know what the win & losses
are when Madine plays.
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Yes. I do sort of. Last season we scored and won more with him than without him for definite.

This year, I don't know. I suspect if I broke it down further to 'Madine alone vs Madine in a two vs a.n.other striker alone vs two other strikers as a pair' Madine + another would be further ahead. I can't show the numbers but I'm pretty confident that would be the outcome

He's essential for Mickball though.

Dave62 said:
Its OK @td53, I'll take this 😁

Even if that information was available, I doubt it would tell the full story anyway.

tbf I'd say he wins the majority of aerial duels (strangeley he wins a few on his chest), but under MA in particular there hasn't been anyone close enough to him to receive the knock down or nod on, because they've been out on the wing.

Additionally we've tended to hoof it a bit more often when Madine plays, and if it's not near him, he doesn't have the pace to make a good challenge v the CB.
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He's got as good record in the air as almost anyone in the league and right up there for strikers.

I appreciate the service and you've won VIP status in club Gaz. That's meaningless because in club Gaz, everyone is equal and it's a utopia but you get the gist.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
When Poveda played off of him in the Sheffield United game he was absolutely phenomenal. The key to Madine is getting players in and around him for the knockdowns, letting more mobile players press for him and letting him do the dirty work for the mobile players. Under Appleton we’ve not regularly seen attacking players playing with Madine as they’ve often been playing deep to make up for being overrun in midfield and poor defending generally. A more attack minded manager and likely a manager willing to be that bit more direct or quicker in the transition from defence to attack will see the best from Madine. In fact that speed of transition will likely suit the whole squad.
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He's one of the quickest thinking players in the squad. You don't play at this level at his pace without being so.

Speed of thought is essential. When we were rubbish under Critchley initially, I noticed how Gaz was often the only player to do stuff first time, where the rest of the squad took two or more touches.
 
It’s all well and good talking about his holding the ball up, winning headers etc but people seem to overlook the fact that he is a striker whose job is to score goals. Sadly he fails on that front.
Last time I mentioned this he scored the following game so I hope this is an omen..
 
Eternaloptimist said:
It’s all well and good talking about his holding the ball up, winning headers etc but people seem to overlook the fact that he is a striker whose job is to score goals. Sadly he fails on that front.
Last time I mentioned this he scored the following game so I hope this is an omen..
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You're missing the point completely. It's a team game. If he's holding up and bringing others into play, then he's doing his job.
 
I think he’s a decent plan B option but we play him the wrong way round. He would be great for the last twenty mins when we are defending a lead as he wins loads of defensive headers and has fantastic powers of shithousery.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
It’s all well and good talking about his holding the ball up, winning headers etc but people seem to overlook the fact that he is a striker whose job is to score goals. Sadly he fails on that front.
Last time I mentioned this he scored the following game so I hope this is an omen..
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Agree. We will look back in league one and say didn’t he hold the ball up well.

He either plays in a front two but not as a lone striker for me.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Agree. We will look back in league one and say didn’t he hold the ball up well.

He either plays in a front two but not as a lone striker for me.
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Completely agree about the lone striker.
He does hold the ball up well, but more often tries to lay the ball off, but as I said earlier in this thread there's been nobody close enough to him to pick up the ball because they're on the wing. Also agree that the lone striker role doesn't suit him (or any other of our forwards). It has to be a front 2 at least.
Not his fault MA played strikers on the wings.
 
Player of the season so far and it's not even close. Even rewarded with the armband.

We got promoted with Jerry playing off him, and that's the system where we've had most success imo
 
Madine is a Championship player who would get in other Championship teams no doubt. Yes he has his limitations but also used correctly has major attributes. He's not a 15-20 goal striker or a lone striker, please play him with another ideally Yates. Otherwise a Yates Lavery partnership with football being played.
 
That is the issue, we need a striker who can score goals and Jerry can do that. If we play two upfront, then different story.
 
If we are struggling at CB try gaz there, as has been said he is great in the air and a master of shithousery. He doesn’t get away with much up top, he may do at the back. Just tell him to stay outside our penalty box.🤣
 
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