Management rumour from BBC website

I guess I’m thinking maybe give Stephen Dobbie a go rather than any of these.
Mike Phelan could work though now you mention it 🤷🏽‍♂️.
 
glasshalffull said:
I guess I’m thinking maybe give Stephen Dobbie a go rather than any of these.
Mike Phelan could work though now you mention it 🤷🏽‍♂️.
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What makes you think Dobbie or Phelan could get us out of the mire we are in now?- deluded 😔 I am not an Appleton fan and never was but you are really scraping the barrel with them thoughts, go and have a few whiskeys and give your head a shake.
 
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Kippax was a stand at Maine Rd- Bertram =Bert Trautmann so it's a Man City fan winding up Manure.
 
We’re in the midst of a battle for our survival in the Championship and folk are seriously mentioning names like ‘Dobbie’ ?

If we’re going to just randomly roll the dice here with a completely untried individual, then to be honest we would be better just sticking with 🍎 🐕 and improving the squad.

It’s one thing bringing in a Critchley type or an untested Manager option at L1 or L2 level, but in the Championship and when your survival depends on it???
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’re in the midst of a battle for our survival in the Championship and folk are seriously mentioning names like ‘Dobbie’ ?

If we’re going to just randomly roll the dice here with a completely untried individual, then to be honest we would be better just sticking with 🍎 🐕 and improving the squad.

It’s one thing bringing in a Critchley type or an untested Manager option at L1 or L2 level, but in the Championship and when your survival depends on it???
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And there you have it.

Ollie …. Charlie …. Evo …..

What about the lass who sold the pies in the EPL season???
 
So this Mark Dempsey that John Deary mentions is head coach of the u23/u21's? at United.Am I right thinking he was on the coaching staff for the first team but now finds himself working with the youth squads? Is that a demotion of sorts for him? He sounds like a Solskjaer man as he's worked in Norway and at Solskjaers old club Molde. Not usually taken in by these rumours but I think this is worth keeping an eye on. If you were brought in by a former manager who then gets sacked and find yourself down the pecking order so to speak would you be open to a new opportunity?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’re in the midst of a battle for our survival in the Championship and folk are seriously mentioning names like ‘Dobbie’ ?

If we’re going to just randomly roll the dice here with a completely untried individual, then to be honest we would be better just sticking with 🍎 🐕 and improving the squad.

It’s one thing bringing in a Critchley type or an untested Manager option at L1 or L2 level, but in the Championship and when your survival depends on it???
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It's probably too early for Dobbie as said before. But if people think were at rock bottom anyway, which many stats seem to suggest....

Probably as much a gamble as an untested utd coach.

With a Dobbie type you do get some advantages. He's already at the club, knows the players and setup etc for 1. That's an advantage. We need someone to come in and hit the ground running, not learn by mistakes learning the players.

He's an experienced player, knows the game, is at the start of his coaching phase but still has some experience doing it for 2 clubs, the methods aren't much different.

He'd get complete fan buy in and it would massively lift the club, the atmosphere would return.

With a fan favorite, no risk of players not buying into it as they know fans are onbaord, unlike Appleton.

If you do go that route, get an experienced assistant to add some of that experience, as its a team effort for the staff.

On a motivational front that's probably the main thing we've lacked at times in the stands and also confident players don't make as many mistakes, no square pegs in round holes trying to force people into a 433 maybe....

So for getting the most out of what we have, getting fans on board, we could do worse.
 
JJpool said:
It's probably too early for Dobbie as said before. But if people think were at rock bottom anyway, which many stats seem to suggest....

Probably as much a gamble as an untested utd coach.

With a Dobbie type you do get some advantages. He's already at the club, knows the players and setup etc for 1. That's an advantage. We need someone to come in and hit the ground running, not learn by mistakes learning the players.

He's an experienced player, knows the game, is at the start of his coaching phase but still has some experience doing it for 2 clubs, the methods aren't much different.

He'd get complete fan buy in and it would massively lift the club, the atmosphere would return.

With a fan favorite, no risk of players not buying into it as they know fans are onbaord, unlike Appleton.

If you do go that route, get an experienced assistant to add some of that experience, as its a team effort for the staff.

On a motivational front that's probably the main thing we've lacked at times in the stands and also confident players don't make as many mistakes, no square pegs in round holes trying to force people into a 433 maybe....

So for getting the most out of what we have, getting fans on board, we could do worse.
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Sorry… Is this another one of those magical imagination rides, where we just make stuff up
In our heads that fits again?

There are literally zero advantages, beyond ‘he’s likely to be cheap’ to appointing Stephen Dobbie as our Head Coach. It’s just a completely ridiculous suggestion and there’s a million and one better option, which would still be stupid.

As for a ‘massive lift’… Are you serious?

I’m pretty sure most fans would see Dobbie as an uninspiring cheap option and be completely deflated by such a piss poor appointment.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sorry… Is this another one of those magical imagination rides, where we just make stuff up
In our heads that fits again?

There are literally zero advantages, beyond ‘he’s likely to be cheap’ to appointing Stephen Dobbie as our Head Coach. It’s just a completely ridiculous suggestion and there’s a million and one better option, which would still be stupid.

As for a ‘massive lift’… Are you serious?

I’m pretty sure most fans would see Dobbie as an uninspiring cheap option and be completely deflated by such a piss poor appointment.
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Jeez, zero advantages..... it's all or nothing with you isn't it.

The atmosphere is like a morgue currently. Of course it would lift massively. A legend would get massive fan buy in. He know and gets fans, gets the club already.

If you think it wouldn't generate some excitement, with an experienced assistant then you really don't know the club at all.

Fans are against Appleton, the place needs a lift.

As said I think it too early but I can see some benefits like already being at the club and knows the players and setup.
 
JJpool said:
It's probably too early for Dobbie as said before. But if people think were at rock bottom anyway, which many stats seem to suggest
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Rock bottom? Give over, we’re nowhere near rock bottom and there aren’t stats that predict that either. We’re on a bad run and in a relegation fight but we aren’t cut adrift and if we have a good transfer window it could change quickly.

Rock bottom was NAPM under the stains or re-election in the old 4th division in the early 80’s.

I don’t think Debbie’s the answer , we need to stick and get behind MA. If they do sack him then his replacement has to be able to lift the whole place but not by promoting our inexperienced development coach.
 
JJpool said:
Jeez, zero advantages..... it's all or nothing with you isn't it.

The atmosphere is like a morgue currently. Of course it would lift massively. A legend would get massive fan buy in.

If you think it wouldn't generate some excitement, with an experienced assistant then you really don't know the club at all.

Fans are against Appleton, the place needs a lift.

As said I think it too early but I can see some benefits like already being at the club and knows the players and setup.
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Its not all or nothing at all… I’m not suggesting we don’t have a manager at all, I’m just saying that Dobbie is a totally ridiculous suggestion (and he is).

I also think you’re stretching it to refer to the lad as ‘A Legend’ … I’m not sure he’s quite attracted the same status as certain other players from that era.

Our fans aren’t stupid and right now I think they would be very deflated by any appointment that didn’t have sone demonstrable experience / potential.
 
JJpool said:
Jeez, zero advantages..... it's all or nothing with you isn't it.

The atmosphere is like a morgue currently. Of course it would lift massively. A legend would get massive fan buy in. He know and gets fans, gets the club already.

If you think it wouldn't generate some excitement, with an experienced assistant then you really don't know the club at all.

Fans are against Appleton, the place needs a lift.

As said I think it too early but I can see some benefits like already being at the club and knows the players and setup.
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The reason it’s like a morgue is down to the supporters mindset not our current manager. It’s like they’ve all been brainwashed, it wouldn’t be like a morgue if they gave their heads a wobble and start acting like they did last season and become the 12th man, at the moment they’re like the grim reaper
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Its not all or nothing at all… I’m not suggesting we don’t have a manager at all, I’m just saying that Dobbie is a totally ridiculous suggestion (and he is).

I also think you’re stretching it to refer to the lad as ‘A Legend’ … I’m not sure he’s quite attracted the same status as certain other players from that era.

Our fans aren’t stupid and right now I think they would be very deflated by any appointment that didn’t have sone demonstrable experience / potential.
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He's a legend, part of the team that earned the best trip Premier league glory, the best years ever at the club.

He's loved by fans.

Firstly, I'm not suggesting it happen but potting Appleton is an instant lift for many.

To me getting a random coach from United who may have a bit more coaching experience but no managerial, doesn't know the club, doesn't get us fans, the club, doesn't already know the players, isn't a club legend fondly remembered. Not saying they don't get fan buy in but there's advantages to having a loved ex pro, who's already here. People would get behind him, he'd show us passion, that creates a connection.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Rock bottom? Give over, we’re nowhere near rock bottom and there aren’t stats that predict that either. We’re on a bad run and in a relegation fight but we aren’t cut adrift and if we have a good transfer window it could change quickly.

Rock bottom was NAPM under the stains or re-election in the old 4th division in the early 80’s.

I don’t think Debbie’s the answer , we need to stick and get behind MA. If they do sack him then his replacement has to be able to lift the whole place but not by promoting our inexperienced development coach.
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That's how some feel. We're near rock bottom in some of the stats, have a look.

We're not comparing to problems with owners time, that's abnormal, comparing to other clubs positions and as I said I'm not near rock bottom, but some are seemingly.

Before(?) the game the other day I presume... the stats you say don't exist 🙄

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As I have already said if people read, ideally it's a bit early for him, but as opposed to an untested utd coach with a bit more experience maybe, but none of the other advantages Dobbie has already being here, knowing players, the club, fans, he's loved, fan buy in etc. That's all I'm saying.

He already gets us, know us, loves the club, fans love him, plus his character is looking very good in the videos the club put out on ttv, hes impressive. From getting fans on board and getting the atmosphere back, which might be enough to keep us up, he'd provide that. Comes across like a guy you'd run through brick walls for, especially players knowing fans are 100% behind him.
 
hertfordseasider said:
The reason it’s like a morgue is down to the supporters mindset not our current manager. It’s like they’ve all been brainwashed, it wouldn’t be like a morgue if they gave their heads a wobble and start acting like they did last season and become the 12th man, at the moment they’re like the grim reaper
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But football fans are just all your average people with tons of different opinions.

The atmosphere since he's been here dropped significantly and since we've struggled and people have made minds up, it'll never fully return.

We can blame people but it's not a hive mind. Would always happen if things went wrong given his unpopularity.

You can't magically create a connection with fans, Appleton just doesn't have it.

It's like saying to some people just give the Conservatives a chance and get behind them, expecting people to be singing songs about them, people are set in their ways, had preconceived ideas then when it went wrong minds were firmly made up.
 
JJpool said:
But football fans are just all your average people with tons of different opinions.

The atmosphere since he's been here dropped significantly and since we've struggled and people have made minds up, it'll never fully return.

We can blame people but it's not a hive mind. Would always happen if things went wrong given his unpopularity.

You can't magically create a connection with fans, Appleton just doesn't have it.

It's like saying to some people just give the Conservatives a chance and get behind them, expecting people to be singing songs about them, people are set in their ways, had preconceived ideas then when it went wrong minds were firmly made up.
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What if he stays, gets the players he wants and we finish mid table playing the style of football ne wants to play instead of being hamstrung? I bet the supporters would be behind him then. They’re going to look pretty fickle then. And let me clarify, I thought his appointment was a massive mistake at the start because this was always going to happen.
 
Bennys_was_a_mob said:
What makes you think Dobbie or Phelan could get us out of the mire we are in now?- deluded 😔 I am not an Appleton fan and never was but you are really scraping the barrel with them thoughts, go and have a few whiskeys and give your head a shake.
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Ouch so aggressive! Yes I agree with you. Didn’t put it very well. What I meant was if MA does go I would rather have someone with experience from MU or someone with half a chance of doing something from within BFC than a junior untried coach from MU.
 
Of the choices we may have I’d like to see Evatt prised away from Bolton. Offer enough dough & it usually does the trick.
 
hertfordseasider said:
What if he stays, gets the players he wants and we finish mid table playing the style of football ne wants to play instead of being hamstrung? I bet the supporters would be behind him then. They’re going to look pretty fickle then. And let me clarify, I thought his appointment was a massive mistake at the start because this was always going to happen.
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Even if that happens he won't ever be loved, he'll only be a bad run away from fan negativity. It'll need a huge turn around for fans to change their mind twice. Sometimes people just aren't liked, for no logical reasons.

Its a bit of a shame but he's not pulling up any trees or getting the best our of what we have consistently.
 
I’d be happy with a manager that chooses the right formation and picks the right players to fill those positions.
At the moment Appleton seems incapable of getting that right.
Agree that at least Dobbie knows the squad and strengths & weaknesses of them all. A new manager from outside the club would take months to get up to speed. Time we haven’t got.
 
hertfordseasider said:
What if he stays, gets the players he wants and we finish mid table playing the style of football ne wants to play instead of being hamstrung? I bet the supporters would be behind him then. They’re going to look pretty fickle then. And let me clarify, I thought his appointment was a massive mistake at the start because this was always going to happen.
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I don't think the supporters would get behind him, not 100%. Fans hate to say 'I was wrong' especially when being so anti. It's too big a pullback. You might get the odd MA TA, but their hearts won't be in it and MA won't believe it.

Totally agree about fans always going to get on his back. It took until we lost the first throwin.
 
tangerine_neil said:
I’d be happy with a manager that chooses the right formation and picks the right players to fill those positions.
At the moment Appleton seems incapable of getting that right.
Agree that at least Dobbie knows the squad and strengths & weaknesses of them all. A new manager from outside the club would take months to get up to speed. Time we haven’t got.
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Who would your first XI be tomorrow?
 
JJpool said:
Jeez, zero advantages..... it's all or nothing with you isn't it.

The atmosphere is like a morgue currently. Of course it would lift massively. A legend would get massive fan buy in. He know and gets fans, gets the club already.

If you think it wouldn't generate some excitement, with an experienced assistant then you really don't know the club at all.

Fans are against Appleton, the place needs a lift.

As said I think it too early but I can see some benefits like already being at the club and knows the players and setup.
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Dobbie ' gets the club already ' ? He never actually signed for us though did he when he was a player?
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
Dobbie ' gets the club already ' ? He never actually signed for us though did he when he was a player?
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And that matters because? Whether a piece of paper said he's ours or on loan, he's been here and was heavily invested, he gets the club and fans, he know knows the setup, players and structure etc.

So are you saying a guy that played for us multiple times and is now coaching at the club doesn't get us?

He's was on loan to us for many different years, longer than many players who are signed on an actual deal stay.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sorry… Is this another one of those magical imagination rides, where we just make stuff up
In our heads that fits again?

There are literally zero advantages, beyond ‘he’s likely to be cheap’ to appointing Stephen Dobbie as our Head Coach. It’s just a completely ridiculous suggestion and there’s a million and one better option, which would still be stupid.

As for a ‘massive lift’… Are you serious?

I’m pretty sure most fans would see Dobbie as an uninspiring cheap option and be completely deflated by such a piss poor appointment.
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To be fair Bournemouth fans could have said the same about Gary O'Neil. He was given it on an interim basis having had no experience and he did so well that he now has the job permanently. We have seen first hand that experience doesn't always equal success and inexperience doesn't always mean failure, in fact for us and others recently it's been quite the opposite.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
To be fair Bournemouth fans could have said the same about Gary O'Neil. He was given it on an interim basis having had no experience and he did so well that he now has the job permanently. We have seen first hand that experience doesn't always equal success and inexperience doesn't always mean failure, in fact for us and others recently it's been quite the opposite.
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Not really, because he was appointed in August, rather than January and was essentially kept on due to performing ok. There’s a significant difference between taking a chance on someone in August with a view to replacing if it doesn’t work out with quickly and thrusting someone into the midst of a relegation battle and being forced to go shit or bust in them.
 
JJpool said:
And that matters because? Whether a piece of paper said he's ours or on loan, he's been here and was heavily invested, he gets the club and fans, he know knows the setup, players and structure etc.

So are you saying a guy that played for us multiple times and is now coaching at the club doesn't get us?

He's was on loan to us for many different years, longer than many players who are signed on an actual deal stay.
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Just pointing it out JJ. I'm confused by your posts because you post contradictory stuff. Do you want Appleton out or in ?
 
I wouldn't class Dobbie as a Pool legend. There would be about 10 players in that team I'd put before him.

Naming him as Head Coach would seem like a risky move to me, I'd want someone with experience in that role given our predicament.
 
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