Mansford Gone

voyeur said:
So he was sacked then? Big assumption.
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Have read my post back and can't see anywhere where i used the word sacked. But clearly Sadler hasn't stood in his way or seeminglt made any attempt to get him to stay so you can draw your own conclusions. We all saw the picture of his face after Yates scored against Millwall. Think that showed he already knew his fate. But as I said on the thread a few days back you continued to make excuses for him. Yes, it was Sadlers call but I reckon he realised that simply too many mistakes had been made and for some-one in a 300k pa job that was unacceptable. You called it wrong voy. It really is as simple as that.
 
20togo said:
Have read my post back and can't see anywhere where i used the word sacked. But clearly Sadler hasn't stood in his way or seeminglt made any attempt to get him to stay so you can draw your own conclusions. We all saw the picture of his face after Yates scored against Millwall. Think that showed he already knew his fate. But as I said on the thread a few days back you continued to make excuses for him. Yes, it was Sadlers call but I reckon he realised that simply too many mistakes had been made and for some-one in a 300k pa job that was unacceptable. You called it wrong voy. It really is as simple as that.
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In your very fixed head it is.
 
voyeur said:
In your very fixed head it is.
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no not at all. You were making excuses for him then and your making excuses for him now. It's your fixed head that was thinking he was doing a good job, and that it wasn't his responsibility. He's gone voy, You said he was only accountable to Sadler and were dismissive of those who were critical of him. Well he's gone now, your judgement call was pretty unsound.
 
20togo said:
no not at all. You were making excuses for him then and your making excuses for him now. It's your fixed head that was thinking he was doing a good job, and that it wasn't his responsibility. He's gone voy, You said he was only accountable to Sadler and were dismissive of those who were critical of him. Well he's gone now, your judgement call was pretty unsound.
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You're so sure of yourself. Always.

For a start me saying he was doing a good job is your misrepresentation of whaf I said. I said he was doing a mixed job and that blame for the things we were actually discussing, like Colby Bishop, was a collective thing. Which it was.

I've also been contacted out of the blue tonight by someone I don't know telling me I'm right about this stuff, and that SS didn't actually want BM to leave.

You may be right about fans holding him accountable though. Apparently he was fed up of being slagged off and blamed for everything and that was a factor in him looking for work elsewhere. I have said all along that he wasn't exactly my cup of tea, that he's paid too much and I am not gutted he's left tbh. But the lynch mob stuff has been embarrassing in my view. And how do we explain Gerrity going, and Badlan? You want to pin it all on one guy, it seems. A guy who progressed the club on and off the pitch for 3 years. Or contributed to it, at least.
 
Insider said:
A couple of definitions of the new roles.
Jonty Castle.
The COO – sometimes known as the vice president of operations – is typically the second in command in a company and reports to the CEO. This person manages and handles the daily business operations of the company, working closely with department heads and supervisors to support the day-to-day activity of employees.
Mark McGhee.
Reporting to the Chief Executive Officer, the Head of Finance and Operations will be responsible for oversight of all finance and operations processes including financial management and reporting, human resources management, internal systems and processes.
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I honestly wouldn't mind if Sadler reorganized the staff by nixing the CEO role and giving its administrative duties to McGhee and Castle while the new sporting director handles all football decisions (including the ones that BM might have had).

Could be cost effective and more efficient, because from an administrative and structural point of view BM did quite a good job, but from a footballing perspective he was quite poor.
 
voyeur said:
You're so sure of yourself. Always.

For a start me saying he was doing a good job is your misrepresentation of whaf I said. I said he was doing a mixed job and that blame for the things we were actually discussing, like Colby Bishop, was a collective thing. Which it was.

I've also been contacted out of the blue tonight by someone I don't know telling me I'm right about this stuff, and that SS didn't actually want BM to leave.

You may be right about fans holding him accountable though. Apparently he was fed up of being slagged off and blamed for everything and that was a factor in him looking for work elsewhere. I have said all along that he wasn't exactly my cup of tea, that he's paid too much and I am not gutted he's left tbh. But the lynch mob stuff has been embarrassing in my view. And how do we explain Gerrity going, and Badlan? You want to pin it all on one guy, it seems. A guy who progressed the club on and off the pitch for 3 years. Or contributed to it, at least.
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A guy without another job to go to walks out of a 300k pa job because he was coming in for a bit of criticism on AVFTT and other social media outlets. Yep, got ya, it all makes sense now.
 
voyeur said:
You're so sure of yourself. Always.

For a start me saying he was doing a good job is your misrepresentation of whaf I said. I said he was doing a mixed job and that blame for the things we were actually discussing, like Colby Bishop, was a collective thing. Which it was.

I've also been contacted out of the blue tonight by someone I don't know telling me I'm right about this stuff, and that SS didn't actually want BM to leave.

You may be right about fans holding him accountable though. Apparently he was fed up of being slagged off and blamed for everything and that was a factor in him looking for work elsewhere. I have said all along that he wasn't exactly my cup of tea, that he's paid too much and I am not gutted he's left tbh. Buy the lynch mob stuff has been embarrassing in my view. And how do we explain Gerrity going, and Badlan? You want to pin it all on one guy, it seems. A guy who progressed the club in and off the pitch for 3 years. Or contributed to it, at least.
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Come on Voy, no one is going to leave a job because of some messages on social media. That's nonsense. He's not the only one either is he? Gerrity, Badlan, 2 managers. In an ideal world we'd be top of the Championship and they'd all be still here (apart from McCarthy obviously). But it's not an ideal world.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Come on Voy, no one is going to leave a job because of some messages on social media. That's nonsense. He's not the only one either is he? Gerrity, Badlan, 2 managers. In an ideal world we'd be top of the Championship and they'd all be still here (apart from McCarthy obviously). But it's not an ideal world.
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I'm telling you what I was told and it was only a factor. Read what I put. And perhaps he got offered similar money or more somewhere else. May be he was fed up of grief from various quarters.

Maybe you should get a grip on your moods and the way you talk about people. Just a thought.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Come on Voy, no one is going to leave a job because of some messages on social media. That's nonsense. He's not the only one either is he? Gerrity, Badlan, 2 managers. In an ideal world we'd be top of the Championship and they'd all be still here (apart from McCarthy obviously). But it's not an ideal world.
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The constant negativity and inability to please people who constantly want more NOW will eventually take it's toll. To the point where they decide enough is enough for their own mental health.
 
Loco said:
The constant negativity and inability to please people who constantly want more NOW will eventually take it's toll. To the point where they decide enough is enough for their own mental health.
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Not from Social media, that's ridiculous. I have no idea what the reasons are behind him leaving but I'm positive that isn't one of them.
 
Exactly Loco
The pack mentality that it's all BM's fault is a bit juvenile to be honest
Mistakes were made but shit happens - we've been relegated before and i am sure at some point we will be again.
If the good / bad decisions BM has made are put on a set of scales we all know the good outweighs the bad
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Scapegoated by the owner

I wish Ben all the best as I honestly don't think this mess is all his fault
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You should work for Talksport - whatever the consensus is, you go the other way - always.

Of course there's a myriad of factors as to why we've had an appalling year - but choosing manager, player recruitment - this just has to be a big part of what the CEO does. If those are our largest failings - no surprise he's been shown the door.

You can't change owner - but you can certainly change CEO
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Exactly Loco
The pack mentality that it's all BM's fault is a bit juvenile to be honest
Mistakes were made but shit happens - we've been relegated before and i am sure at some point we will be again.
If the good / bad decisions BM has made are put on a set of scales we all know the good outweighs the bad
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It may just simply be a fresh start, new people, new approach, it’s not unusual in business.
 
Blackpool FC ..."can announce that...." ....all that's missing is a drum roll, almost joyous is letting everyone know?
 
fcblackpool said:
I think it’s SS. Basically.
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I tend to agree. I don't think a separate CEO will be appointed. Simon will deal with the bigger decisions and Jonty and Mark have had their roles expanded to pick up much of what BM did. They will need a decent Sporting Director, with football experience and expertise. So it will be interesting to see who he has recruited. Relegation to L1 and a reduced income meant that the mangement infrastructure would have needed to be thinned out anyway. Simon has certainly moved quickly and decisively.
Under the circumstances, it was right that BM should leave, but he has also done a lot of positives things as well and I wish him well with his new opportunities
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Why not He's had pelters on here and twitter for the last six months
Never understood it
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No, I can’t see that at all. He’s a professional businessman, some stuff on here, I don’t know about Twitter because I don’t read it, isn’t going to make him leave, it’s likely to be any one of dozens of other reasons, unless he has been getting some sinister threats or the like but there hasn’t been any reports of that and surely if there was then the police would be nvestigating and the club would be announcing it?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Exactly Loco
The pack mentality that it's all BM's fault is a bit juvenile to be honest
Mistakes were made but shit happens - we've been relegated before and i am sure at some point we will be again.
If the good / bad decisions BM has made are put on a set of scales we all know the good outweighs the bad
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Not so sure about that TBH
 
tango94 said:
Hard to under estimate the damage that can be caused by an ill-informed social media imo.
It can be a cess pit at times.
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I’m sure that’s why the job pays hundreds of thousands of pounds. If you don’t want your job critiquing on social media get a job that has very little public profile and get shit from your boss behind closed doors instead 😂
 
We have no idea what Mansford’s motivation to leave is but we do know his salary is not commensurate with League one revenues. A relegation doesn’t look great on anyone’s resume. What does bother me is Sadler’s assertion that he leaves us stronger. We just got relegated, no major developments and at best we have half a team that’s fit for purpose.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Or a good man has been forced out of a job he was best-placed to undertake by ill-informed and unnecessary criticism
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So you think that he shouldn't have left?

Genuinely asking because I think some people did go overboard with criticism, but I also think someone had to be held accountable for the poor decisions made this season.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Or a good man has been forced out of a job he was best-placed to undertake by ill-informed and unnecessary criticism
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He’s set himself up for criticism by talking shite a lot all season.

The interview after Critchley left was total and utter bullshit, e-mailing head of referees telling us he felt he should be doing it but then getting a ban and even the idiots at the FA wondering why he was getting involved. Telling people we missed out on Rob Edwards (dates don’t match)… the fans forum… lots of cliche and work-talk that people might want to hear and because they’ve met him think he’s a “good man” but the proof has been on the pitch this season and on £300,000+ a year he’s flopped on his arse. Not just the pitch, the pricing of tickets, away followings etc.

We changed the recruitment team and we changed it Badlan, pardon the pun.

We changed the Head Coach twice, both shit appointments that most predicted.

Player recruitment has been piss-poor. It’s realistic to understand our budget hampers us but we embarrassed ourselves with Brannigan and Bishop. On the latter, the king of bullshit told us that “we have stringent medical procedures” but we then hung our hats on signing Trybull and Goode to keep us up.

You can’t talk the talk like he has, get the money he was being paid for “little Blackpool” “punching above their weight” as he kept telling us and no doubt others like Badlan and co who were also pedalling it, and not expect to have pressure or be at risk of losing your job or your salary which isn’t proportionate to the Club that you seemingly keep talking down.

To blame that on a lynch mob is nonsense.

The eyes and ears don’t lie but Ben has, repeatedly.

I’ve no doubts he’s done a lot behind the scenes, but that wouldn’t command the salary he got, if he didn’t have to do all the other stuff that he’s failed miserably at.
 
This had to be done I think. There have been managerial errors and other more deliberate issues this year and for that the CEO has to go. SS has done this in the nicest possible way out of respect for BM but the reality is that he has been sacked and rightly so. Seems to have promoted from within and I hope that approach continues with the Head Coach and SOON.
 
Mark_GT said:
My message would be thanks and all the best Ben. Are we a better more organised, respected and durable club than we were four years ago? Without doubt and didn't happen by magic.
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The bar was low but are we more organized? With all the staff changes and a relegation I don't think that can get ticked on the list. Respected? We got turned down by transfer targets who chose to play at lesser positioned clubs so no tick for that category. Durable? How, Bowler was our one big transfer out and Yates would get some money but no one else would command a sizeable fee. Club's not really established either a home development pipeline or lucrative new revenue streams so it only seems as durable as Sadler's cheque book.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
There was a huge project to undertake and overall I do think Ben as the CEO for the last 3.5 years has been instrumental in the huge strides forward that have been made
Yes there have been mistakes over managers and recruitment this season but that doesn't alter the view that I expressed which I believe to be a fair one
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What are these huge strides? You say things but they lack any detail to back them up.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Exactly Loco
The pack mentality that it's all BM's fault is a bit juvenile to be honest
Mistakes were made but shit happens - we've been relegated before and i am sure at some point we will be again.
If the good / bad decisions BM has made are put on a set of scales we all know the good outweighs the bad
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Love a scapegoat at Blackpool don't we?

Appleton, then Mansford, Maxwell and a bit of Patino thrown in for good measure

I do think some of BMs statements were a bit cringe "the Blackpool way" "The Project"
Etc etc

And the EG statement with SS was absulute bollocks

But on the whole he's done a good job and it looks like he's been forced out on the face of it
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Love a scapegoat at Blackpool don't we?

Appleton, then Mansford, Maxwell and a bit of Patino thrown in for good measure

I do think some of BMs statements were a bit cringe "the Blackpool way" "The Project"
Etc etc

And the EG statement with SS was absulute bollocks

But on the whole he's done a good job and it looks like he's been forced out on the face of it
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Yes, you do love a scapegoat.
 
People in such positions will get the blame when things go wrong that are not down to them and will also get credit when things go well that are not down to them.

I don't know exactly what was and what wasn't down to Mansford but if he wasn't responsible for making big decisions then why did we bother employing him ?
 
Simon said when he took the club over, we will make mistakes. Mistakes in football lead to relegations. But the intentions are far better than those who shouldn't be named.

The fans have a short fuse with ownership, leadership and the management purely because we've been burnt in recent memory, I think the fans particularly need to get back onto the happy go lucky train that has served us so well for years. The good will has go both ways and should start with a slight ST reduction to keep crowds up. I appreciate we're losing Championship money but it's pretty vital we don't slip into the mediocrity of mid table in L1 with sub 8k crowds.
 
20togo said:
yes he was. Head of recruitment including managers and some-one who offered contracts to a load of crocks. Very much the main issue.
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I'm not sure BB was responsible for all the medical work but I'm sure he'd have let us know about any of his successful signings.

No matter what his contribution is, the buck stops at him, if the medical - or any other part of the recruitment process - part of signings wasn't up to scratch it was up to him to do whatever was required.
 
voyeur said:
You're doing it again. I'm out, you're a ** pain the arse of the highest order. You really are.
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After that other thread where you were not only abusive, you also made very offensive personal comments, well then I was always gonna come back at you after this news. Like I said, you got it wrong, you were and still are making excuse after excuse. You said to Hertford "blame 20's". No, voy, blame yourself.
 
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