Mason Greenwood

[Tanger]

In terms of his career I think he'd need to move abroad, can't seriously expect him to be given an easy ride in the UK.

 

[todayistheday]

How much could it cost united if they keep him on against letting him go. Do they pay him up and sell him/terminate his contract. United will do whats best for them financially.

 

[Shandypants]

Football hasnt got any morals. If United think he'll improve the team he will be staying, if they don't they'll get rid. Greenwood will get a tough ride from opposition fans but if he plays well, United fans will quickly forgive him. I bet some on here would gladly accept England winning the euros if he scored the winner. Fans are fickle like that.

 

[Wizaard]

I hope not - how could you get over something like that?

Apparently it was all role play that she then used as revenge when they split up.

Back together, change of mind...

 

[Gary]

Apparently it was all role play that she then used as revenge when they split up.

According to who?

 

[Wizaard]

According to who?

Word on a slightly different street to all the other gossips on here.

 

[Bloodtangerine]

Football hasnt got any morals. If United think he'll improve the team he will be staying, if they don't they'll get rid. Greenwood will get a tough ride from opposition fans but if he plays well, United fans will quickly forgive him. I bet some on here would gladly accept England winning the euros if he scored the winner. Fans are fickle like that.

Most fans would accept a Billionaire Drug dealer if he gave them a triumphant team. Everyone is hypocrite, it’s just a question of degree

 

[Bloodtangerine]

Apparently it was all role play that she then used as revenge when they split up.

Back together, change of mind...

What’s this role play you seem to know all about Wiz you auld Rascal you!

Do you use a “safe” word?

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Harold Shipman was proved Guilty

Mason Greenwood hasn’t been so may have not done, what he was charged with.

Thst doesn’t mean that people, like bill40 (who you supported) can conclude that the victim was a liar and her accusation unfounded.

It seems it’s fine to judge the victim, but not judge a man who was recorded being quite blatantly abusive ?

Those so quick to jump to the defence of Greenwood, based on a presumption of innocence, should perhaps choose their words more carefully?

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Am I the only person who really doesn't care about this story

I'm honestly not arsed about any of it

He doesn't play for us and I don't know anybody involved in this media circus

Remainder removed.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

So in the meantime we assume hes guilty?

The recording was ridiculous.
It was all very “for the benefit of the tape”. Wind him up start the recording and then start saying out loud her version of events while throwing his name in there aswell.

All that over a domestic. It’s women like her that make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward.

You don’t seem too concerned about making assumptions about the victim @King Billy …. Do your standards of proof not apply to women ?

When was her trial and the associated guilty verdict ?

 

[King Billy]

I don’t want to labour a point, but there’s nothing clear cut about the announcement. It’s not a vindication, just a procedural response to a change in circumstances (I.e. the victim currently choosing not to press on)

Not sure what United can

You don’t seem too concerned about making assumptions about the victim @King Billy …. Do your standards of proof not apply to women ?

When was her trial and the associated guilty verdict ?

Just my opinion really. She’s forgiven him so she’s dropping it.
Why not have your day in court if he has abused you?

 

[Wizaard]

Just my opinion really. She’s forgiven him so she’s dropping it.
Why not have your day in court if he has abused you?

Procedurally, that isn't her choice. It's the decision of the CPS to drop the case as there is little or no chance of securing a conviction.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Just my opinion really. She’s forgiven him so she’s dropping it.
Why not have your day in court if he has abused you?

Nobody abused me, I’m just pulling you up for your obvious bias.

Victims of abuse regularly forgive their abusers and end up in an ongoing cycle of abuse.


You’re quick to throw the weight of your support around the alleged perpetrator here (despite the evidence, which you glibly dismiss as fake) and call others out for making assumptions…

So why is it OK for you to make assumptions about the female victim?

Can you not see the irony in what you have said?

 

[Gary]

Question for those defending the scumbag. If your partner “falsely” accused you of rape when you hadn’t done anything wrong, would you want to get back with that person?

The only reason I could see for him wanting to be with her again is to weaken her case and make it look like she was lying.

It’s disgusting the way her family have dealt with this whole thing from the very start, horrific what a bit of money can do to people.

 

[King Billy]

Procedurally, that isn't her choice. It's the decision of the CPS to drop the case as there is little or no chance of securing a conviction.

True but the two go hand in hand. She drops it, they drop it.

Nobody abused me, I’m just pulling you up for your obvious bias.

Victims of abuse regularly forgive their abusers and end up in an ongoing cycle of abuse.


You’re quick to throw the weight of your support around the alleged perpetrator here (despite the evidence, which you glibly dismiss as fake) and call others out for making assumptions…

So why is it OK for you to make assumptions about the female victim?

Can you not see the irony in what you have said?

Havnt really supported him have I? Just questioned her dubious actions. End of the day no one really knows apart from them.
Im not calling anyone out for a difference of opinion. You don’t agree with me so trying now to make out I’ve said things I haven’t.

 

[King Billy]

Question for those defending the scumbag. If your partner “falsely” accused you of rape when you hadn’t done anything wrong, would you want to get back with that person?

The only reason I could see for him wanting to be with her again is to weaken her case and make it look like she was lying.

It’s disgusting the way her family have dealt with this whole thing from the very start, horrific what a bit of money can do to people.

Nope of course I wouldn’t and that is a valid point. I also wouldn’t get back with anyone who abused me though.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

True but the two go hand in hand. She drops it, they drop it.

Havnt really supported him have I? Just questioned her dubious actions. End of the day no one really knows apart from them.
Im not calling anyone out for a difference of opinion. You don’t agree with me so trying now to make out I’ve said things I haven’t.

What two go hand in hand?

The charges have not been dropped, they’ve been discontinued (for now). That’s not a basis to flame the victim.

You’ve questioned others for assuming he is guilty, whilst at the same time making massive assumptions of your own about the victim.

Here’s what you said about the victim (who has not been charged with any crime)…

“It’s women like her that make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward.”

Women like her?

Maybe it’s men like you who actually make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward? The kind of men who are quick and eager to victim blame without foundation ?

And I’m sorry for digging you out, it’s not personal, but when you make statements like that, then they need to be pulled up.

 

[Wilburrabbit]

The CPS is underfunded and has a huge backlog of cases owing to court closures and the numbers of matters outstanding.

They will therefore prioritise serious matters and in assessing any case will consider whether there is a realistic chance of conviction on the evidence as well as whether it is in the public interest to pursue a case.

That assessment will be ongoing when for example a key witness drops out and apparently meant they would not pursue the case at hand.

The actions which led to the case remain though. Whilst not convicted of a crime it doesn’t mean he did not do what he was accused of simply that it was unlikely to get a conviction or was not in the public interest.

If resources were available it is possible that the person who withdrew their allegations could be prosecuted for wasting police time but I doubt that would happen.

It is frustrating for a CPS case officer to have to pull a case in such circumstances as well as the Police but these things happen.

 

[bill40]

Why do you need to resort to such appalling and unnecessarily abusive language bill? Nobody has suggested there was a not guilty verdict.

Any of us could also find ourselves as the Victim in this case. You seem perfectly happy to make an unfounded judgement about the victim and her accusation. Where is your evidence that enables you to make that judgement ?

You're right I should n have said that and I apologise for it. On the matter of Mr Greenwood's innocence let's see what our chief prosecutor has to say.

 

[King Billy]

What two go hand in hand?

The charges have not been dropped, they’ve been discontinued (for now). That’s not a basis to flame the victim.

You’ve questioned others for assuming he is guilty, whilst at the same time making massive assumptions of your own about the victim.

Here’s what you said about the victim (who has not been charged with any crime)…

“It’s women like her that make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward.”

Women like her?

Maybe it’s men like you who actually make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward? The kind of men who are quick and eager to victim blame without foundation ?

And I’m sorry for digging you out, it’s not personal, but when you make statements like that, then they need to be pulled up.

When I say the two go hand in hand I mean with her statement there is probably a case the CPS can pursue. Not sure how much clearer I can be on that point? And yes I understand he can still be charged at any point if the CPS believe they have a strong enough case for a conviction. And if they do, then fine. I hope he feels the weight of the law in its fullest.
When you say I questioned others it doesn’t make me a hypocrite. Have I made assumptions? Yes. But I haven’t called anyone out for making assumptions either. If I did then yes you’d be right.
The quote you’ve highlighted from me, again is from an assumption. I’m not saying she should be charged based on my assumption.

Nothing personal at all I don’t even disagree on some of the points you make and of course you could be completely right.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

You're right I should n have said that and I apologise for it. On the matter of Mr Greenwood's innocence let's see what our chief prosecutor has to say.

Yet again, I haven’t called Greenwood’s innocence into question.

What I said to you bill, was that the discontinuation of the proceedings does not make the charges unfounded.

I have my own opinion about Greenwood, but it’s not for me to determine his guilt or innocence, the charges aren’t proceeding and to that extent he remains (but has not been proven to be) innocent.

 

[Junior_BentsPlatformShoes]

BFC Trois, your persistence to banging your head against a Bill brick wall is admirable. I only hope Bill never does jury service, as he'd drive the others to despair and not fully grasp the legal concepts he'd be asked to consider.

 

[Gary]

Nope of course I wouldn’t and that is a valid point. I also wouldn’t get back with anyone who abused me though.

Having spoken with many victims of domestic abuse and rape throughout the course of my career, I can assure you it’s not as simple as that.

Many women feel utterly terrified of their abuser and especially when they are in as powerful a position as a celebrity, both financially and socially.

I’ve also heard from sources close to the girl that her family have basically pressured her to drop the claims, which must be absolutely heartbreaking for her when the people closest to her would choose the financial support he provides rather than her safety.

 

[King Billy]

Having spoken with many victims of domestic abuse and rape throughout the course of my career, I can assure you it’s not as simple as that.

Many women feel utterly terrified of their abuser and especially when they are in as powerful a position as a celebrity, both financially and socially.

I’ve also heard from sources close to the girl that her family have basically pressured her to drop the claims, which must be absolutely heartbreaking for her when the people closest to her would choose the financial support he provides rather than her safety.

I don’t doubt it ever is straight forward.

That’s pretty disgraceful about her family. Maybe they see it as drawing a line under it I don’t know but I would want justice.

 

[Wizaard]

When I say the two go hand in hand I mean with her statement there is probably a case the CPS can pursue. Not sure how much clearer I can be on that point? And yes I understand he can still be charged at any point if the CPS believe they have a strong enough case for a conviction. And if they do, then fine. I hope he feels the weight of the law in its fullest.
When you say I questioned others it doesn’t make me a hypocrite. Have I made assumptions? Yes. But I haven’t called anyone out for making assumptions either. If I did then yes you’d be right.
The quote you’ve highlighted from me, again is from an assumption. I’m not saying she should be charged based on my assumption.

Nothing personal at all I don’t even disagree on some of the points you make and of course you could be completely right.

On a minor media scale, we've had exactly the same with Bez.

 

[bill40]

BFC Trois, your persistence to banging your head against a Bill brick wall is admirable. I only hope Bill never does jury service, as he'd drive the others to despair and not fully grasp the legal concepts he'd be asked to consider.

His persistence in being wrong with such confidence is something to behold.

 

[King Billy]

Just a quick question @BFC_BFC_BFC

Hypothetical I know but say the CPS charge him without her statement and he’s found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Would that mean a full acquittal or would your view remain the same?

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Just a quick question @BFC_BFC_BFC

Hypothetical I know but say the CPS charge him without her statement and he’s found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Would that mean a full acquittal or would your view remain the same?

I’m not entirely sure what you mean, about ‘my view’, but I’ll try to explain a bit further.

Firstly, I come from a standpoint that the victim is not on trial.

So from that perspective I don’t make judgement’s about their integrity or presume them to fit into some stereotype.

If Mason Greenwood had been tried for his crime and found ‘Not Guilty’, I would not view that as a justification to presume that the allegations were false or that the accuser had lied….

As I said earlier, a ‘Not Guilty’ does not prove innocence and I think that’s a point that is often missed by a lot of men in particular, when it comes to matters of rape, abuse etc… In a very significant number of cases, men who have committed these crimes are found ‘Not Guilty’ simply because there is insufficient evidence.

In terms of my personal bias… That will always fall on the side of the female victims and unless I see overwhelming evidence and criminal charges brought against a female victim for perjury, then my instinct is to believe the victim… I see that as a simply matter of probability…. Insomuch as there are only a very small percentage of female victims who’s claims are false….

That doesn’t mean I believe that men should simply be convicted on their say so, I think the Law, as it is, should prevail…. So if I was on a Jury, I’d put my personal bias to one side and make my decision based on the evidence and proof of guilt… However, despite the Law, I’m free to choose who I personally believe and who I do not.

Just to flip it back to you…

If we replaced Mason Greenwood with an Asian Taxi driver from Rochdale…. And replaced his girlfriend with a teenage girl raising an accusation of rape / abuse, what would your instinct be?