Mason Greenwood

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King Billy said:
The recording was ridiculous.
It was all very “for the benefit of the tape”. Wind him up start the recording and then start saying out loud her version of events while throwing his name in there aswell.

All that over a domestic. It’s women like her that make genuine victims hesitant in coming forward.
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Only 2 people know the truth.

It’s not funny at all but funnily enough my best mate has just left his extremely physical and mentally abusive wife, he has lots and lots of evidence supporting this and myself and his family and friends have seen first hand what she’s like. She appears to have completely lost the plot since he left her and he phoned me today telling me he’d found recordings of them having an argument, so she’s basically recorded him secretly whilst baiting him for 46 minutes until he finally loses his tempted and snaps back.
I know this has no baring on this story but just personally wanted to put out there that nobody has any really idea what goes on behind closed doors
 
Be a bit hypocritical; isolating Bez whilst signing Greenwood.

Are we heading to the time where we don't publish names of the alleged offender until they are found guilty?

I know they want to do it so it gives more victims the chance to come forward, but as we've seen in the Mendy case; even then, it's not always possible to secure a conviction with multiple alleged victims.

There appears no recourse for the innocent and their livelihoods and reputations are down the toilet.
 
Hankey2009 said:
Only 2 people know the truth.

It’s not funny at all but funnily enough my best mate has just left his extremely physical and mentally abusive wife, he has lots and lots of evidence supporting this and myself and his family and friends have seen first hand what she’s like. She appears to have completely lost the plot since he left her and he phoned me today telling me he’d found recordings of them having an argument, so she’s basically recorded him secretly whilst baiting him for 46 minutes until he finally loses his tempted and snaps back.
I know this has no baring on this story but just personally wanted to put out there that nobody has any really idea what goes on behind closed doors
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Good post. Both men and women can be extremely manipulative.
Never laid my hands on a woman and never would but the amount of times I have been goaded and you can sense they actually want you to retaliate so they can shout assault the second you touch them.
 
Greenwood has lost a year of football and millions of pounds all for unfounded allegations, this guilty on accusation mindset has to stop. Of course there will be no repercussions for the accuser who should be charged with wasting police time. The real scandal here isn't a complainant being let down it's that things got so out of hand in the first place.
 
bill40 said:
Greenwood has lost a year of football and millions of pounds all for unfounded allegations, this guilty on accusation mindset has to stop. Of course there will be no repercussions for the accuser who should be charged with wasting police time. The real scandal here isn't a complainant being let down it's that things got so out of hand in the first place.
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The fact that charges have not been brought, does not mean the allegations were unfounded.
 
Hopefully he's brought back into the United fold, amazing footballer right there, if he's not guilty then why should continue to be sentenced outside of the courtroom?
 
AngelBFC said:
He was charged but agree that the fact they have been withdrawn does not mean that they were untrue.
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It seems to me that it’s more common for charges to be ‘withdrawn’ in these kind of circumstances than for the cases to proceed…

Kiss and make up, promise I won’t do it again and the cycle continues…. In most cases it’s not so high profile obviously, but that’s kind of how it goes.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The fact that charges have not been brought, does not mean the allegations were unfounded.
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AngelBFC said:
He was charged but agree that the fact they have been withdrawn does not mean that they were untrue.
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Yes it does that's exactly what it means. I think you're confusing matters with a trial which does not find you innocent merely not guilty on the evidence provided. Withdrawn charges however do prove you're innocence.
 
bill40 said:
Yes it does that's exactly what it means. I think you're confusing matters with a trial which does not find you innocent merely not guilty on the evidence provided. Withdrawn charges however do prove you're innocence.
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You are wrong on this bill40 i'm afraid.

The prosecution withdraw proceedings for a variety of reasons depending on the individual circumstances of each particular case.

Doesn't necessarily mean the allegations were unfounded in the first place.
 
AngelBFC said:
You are wrong on this bill40 i'm afraid.

The prosecution withdraw proceedings for a variety of reasons depending on the individual circumstances of each particular case.

Doesn't necessarily mean the allegations were unfounded in the first place.
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Yes it does, innocent until proven guilty although that's very out of fashion these days. Legally speaking charges dropped before court proceedings mean innocent. That's what unfounded allegations mean, ask any legal bod.
 
Matesrates said:
Could be he has, but we’ll never know, he could be innocent or guilty, but we’ll never know. The fact is he’s seriously tarnished.
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He is guilty didn’t you hear his girlfriends phone chat who was recording it?
He was shouting and swearing at her and assaulted her, it was all recorded she posted it on social media and the Police arrested him that very same day.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
He is guilty didn’t you hear his girlfriends phone chat who was recording it?
He was shouting and swearing at her and assaulted her, it was all recorded.
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Ok, but why has he been released then? Surely if there’s evidence it wouldn’t matter that witnesses have withdrawn. My opinion is he’s done the deed, but who knows?
 
Matesrates said:
Ok, but why has he been released then? Surely if there’s evidence it wouldn’t matter that witnesses have withdrawn. My opinion is he’s done the deed, but who knows?
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I heard on the radio this afternoon ‘key Whitenesses’ had come forward to the Police to state they were no longer pressing charges and reporting on the incident.
The CPS said in a statement it would now be impossible to bring a case against the accused without these key whitenesses so had no alternative but to drop the charges.
Like I said it sounds like he’s come to some arrangement which involves money as I can’t see why they (the witnesses) would suddenly drop the allegations.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I heard on the radio this afternoon ‘key Whitenesses’ had come forward to the Police to state they were no longer pressing charges and reporting on the incident.
The CPS said in a statement it would now be impossible to bring a case against the accused without these key whitenesses so had no alternative but to drop the charges.
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I’m agreeing with you Jaffa, it all looks dodgy to me, but we don’t know for sure.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
He is guilty didn’t you hear his girlfriends phone chat who was recording it?
He was shouting and swearing at her and assaulted her, it was all recorded she posted it on social media and the Police arrested him that very same day.
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The audio in its own right wouldn’t be enough, without the victim evidence.
 
I can see why people say over and over again 'innocent until proven' because there are plenty of wrong allegations - George Takei was on GMB just this week and I was thinking 'wasn't there an allegation against him?' so I went back and checked and among the millions of articles talking about the allegation there was one follow up where the guy admitted later he had misremembered half of it and embellished. Hardly seems fair and has happened to more people.

However, this case also show the severe inelegance and stupidity of trying to parrot that phrase as a one size fits all belief system and when you add in more such as 'unfounded allegations' and immediately throw the blame on the woman it kind of reveals the sort of person you really are. There were photos of her severely beaten up face, and apparently a recording which I have not listened to. A domestic abuse victim staying with her abuser is exceptionally common, and tragic. A domestic abuse victim settling out of court, if that has happened, is completely their decision too. Even if a case reaches court, innocent people are found wrong guilty, and guilty people are found wrongly innocent. Pretending crimes that pretty clearly have happened can be boxed up into in a non-existent state until 12 people on a jury declare someone guilty is not how real life works is it. I wish people would have more humility and stop acting as if the criminal justice system works that way. Many have farmed conscience and critical thinking to an imperfect solution and like to pretend a women being severely beaten up has now all of a sudden not been beaten up because the magic words 'we found the defendant guilty' has not been said.
 
Would be good if the police could investigate the Greenwoods/witness's bank accounts, spending behavior. Giggsy the same. Women who have been abused will think many times before coming forward and that not on.
 
There's a whole load of speculation on this thread.

The only thing we can say, Mason Greenwood hasn't been to court as they wouldn't be able to present enough evidence to get a conviction.

We don't what evidence he would have produced either.
 
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