Meanwhile Apter scores for Tranmere

Phil_bfc deux said:
Would have come on for CJ at right fcujing wing back and told to run up and down the line in b%stard straight lines like a tw*tting robot
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This is mate. Our players are on a netball court with no go zones and defined areas.

Apter just plays with freedom and goes for it.

What I don’t get is, Critchley managed to get Josh Bowler freed up in a 4-4-2 for us in a higher league against better midfield’s…

But he’s struggling like fuck to do it in this League?
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is mate. Our players are on a netball court with no go zones and defined areas.

Apter just plays with freedom and goes for it.

What I don’t get is, Critchley managed to get Josh Bowler freed up in a 4-4-2 for us in a higher league against better midfield’s…

But he’s struggling like fuck to do it in this League?
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Yeah bizarre really when you think of it with Bowler, lets not forget he also tried to play Keshi Anderson as a box to box centre mid
 
I’m glad he’s there doing well. Critchley would only ruin him.
Get that useless fool out and we can see the benefits of Apter next season under a more positive boss, who won’t stick him at bloody right back or similar.
 
Cable Cat said:
Can we stop talking this lad up as if he'll be the Messiah when he returns!
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Well said Cat. He’s playing for a team in the bottom half of the 4th tier and despite his goal Tranmere got beat at home by Morecambe. The o/p conveniently left that out plus the fact that is Apters first goal for them.
Let’s see how he gets on against Stockport tomorrow!
As Cat says why do some people make it a big issue when any ex players of ours or indeed loaners score a goal.
Bowler, Patino, Yates, etc etc, give us a break.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Well said Cat. He’s playing for a team in the bottom half of the 4th tier and despite his goal Tranmere got beat at home by Morecambe. The o/p conveniently left that out plus the fact that is Apters first goal for them.
Let’s see how he gets on against Stockport tomorrow!
As Cat says why do some people make it a big issue when any ex players of ours or indeed loaners score a goal.
Bowler, Patino, Yates, etc etc, give us a break.
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You conveniently state it's his first goal for them when actually it's his 7th. So maybe you haven't got a clue.

And my mate who is a ST holder at Stockport said he was head and shoulders the best player on the park at edgeley earlier in the season and wanted to know how he doesn't play for us. Was bemused as to why we would loan him out.
 
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Eternaloptimist said:
Well said Cat. He’s playing for a team in the bottom half of the 4th tier and despite his goal Tranmere got beat at home by Morecambe. The o/p conveniently left that out plus the fact that is Apters first goal for them.
Let’s see how he gets on against Stockport tomorrow!
As Cat says why do some people make it a big issue when any ex players of ours or indeed loaners score a goal.
Bowler, Patino, Yates, etc etc, give us a break.
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Maybe it’s become an issue because our own players don’t seem able to score at present
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Well said Cat. He’s playing for a team in the bottom half of the 4th tier and despite his goal Tranmere got beat at home by Morecambe. The o/p conveniently left that out plus the fact that is Apters first goal for them.
Let’s see how he gets on against Stockport tomorrow!
As Cat says why do some people make it a big issue when any ex players of ours or indeed loaners score a goal.
Bowler, Patino, Yates, etc etc, give us a break.
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Strange post, as mentioned by Voy he has scored a good few plus a couple of assists. I take it you haven’t been paying much attention.
 
Some coaches seem to struggle to promote junior players above senior players. How do you leave out a 28 year old you'd 300k for, and 6k a week, for a lad in the dev squad who's on peanuts? Too much loyalty to senior players, sometimes. Seems daft, but it happens.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
It seems strange that a lauded coach with more coaching badges than you can shake a stick at would loan out a promising young talent rather than coach him himself ?
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I am sure the club will update us at some point. Probably the next fans meeting to decide whom to have a meeting with.
 
voyeur said:
You conveniently state it's his first goal for them when actually it's his 7th. So maybe you haven't got a clue.

And my mate who is a ST holder at Stockport said he was head and shoulders the best player on the park at edgeley earlier in the season and wanted to know how he doesn't play for us. Was bemused as to why we would loan him out.
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Voy, FYI I googled Apter and that is where I got the one goal from
I do have a clue about football but I’m just not in the habit of watching other teams results to use as an excuse to slag our manager off.
So if Apter was head and shoulders the best player on the park at Edgley then he should be even better at home.
and you can bet your bottom dollar that if he had a mare, missed 2 open goals and a penalty then not one single word would be said.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Voy, FYI I googled Apter and that is where I got the one goal from
I do have a clue about football but I’m just not in the habit of watching other teams results to use as an excuse to slag our manager off.
So if Apter was head and shoulders the best player on the park at Edgley then he should be even better at home.
and you can bet your bottom dollar that if he had a mare, missed 2 open goals and a penalty then not one single word would be said.
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Not interested in facts, only hypothetical scenarios 🤣
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Voy, FYI I googled Apter and that is where I got the one goal from
I do have a clue about football but I’m just not in the habit of watching other teams results to use as an excuse to slag our manager off.
So if Apter was head and shoulders the best player on the park at Edgley then he should be even better at home.
and you can bet your bottom dollar that if he had a mare, missed 2 open goals and a penalty then not one single word would be said.
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Well your research skills are obviously pretty poor and you have clearly taken no interest in how Apter has been getting on.
He’s had man of the match plaudits, been in team of the week etc and the Tranmere fans rave about him.
I’m not sure how you can comment on a player you clearly know very little about.
 
Superbretty said:
Well your research skills are obviously pretty poor and you have clearly taken no interest in how Apter has been getting on.
He’s had man of the match plaudits, been in team of the week etc and the Tranmere fans rave about him.
I’m not sure how you can comment on a player you clearly know very little about.
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Indeed I know little about him as he only made 2 appearances for us, but, that is academic to some on here who can spot talent immediately. My further research has shown that Apter has scored 4 goals for Tranmere and not 7 as stated by Voy, which, bretty, as you should know is what this thread is about.
No one has mentioned MOM or team of the week so clearly you have taken no interest in the thread title.
Maybe he is good at that level but that doesn’t necessarily mean he can hack it at the next level. so maybe Critch’s decision to loan him out was to give him plenty of match time and build his confidence.
But he scores some goals for Tranmere and suddenly Critch has made “another” cock up by sending him out on loan rather than having him warming the bench at Blackpool
And I get accused of not knowing much about football !
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Indeed I know little about him as he only made 2 appearances for us, but, that is academic to some on here who can spot talent immediately. My further research has shown that Apter has scored 4 goals for Tranmere and not 7 as stated by Voy, which, bretty, as you should know is what this thread is about.
No one has mentioned MOM or team of the week so clearly you have taken no interest in the thread title.
Maybe he is good at that level but that doesn’t necessarily mean he can hack it at the next level. so maybe Critch’s decision to loan him out was to give him plenty of match time and build his confidence.
But he scores some goals for Tranmere and suddenly Critch has made “another” cock up by sending him out on loan rather than having him warming the bench at Blackpool
And I get accused of not knowing much about football !
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Jesus, you will never get a job as a researcher. Voy is indeed correct, he has scored six league goals and one FA Cup goal which I believe does indeed make seven.
Don’t know if you watched the Charlton game but it was 1-1 with about twenty minutes left and we desperately needed a goal. Dembele was flagging and we had no-one on the bench to bring on to change the game. Apter could have been that man but you prefer to put your trust in Critchley’s judgement. I would suggest that trust is misplaced.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Indeed I know little about him as he only made 2 appearances for us, but, that is academic to some on here who can spot talent immediately. My further research has shown that Apter has scored 4 goals for Tranmere and not 7 as stated by Voy, which, bretty, as you should know is what this thread is about.
No one has mentioned MOM or team of the week so clearly you have taken no interest in the thread title.
Maybe he is good at that level but that doesn’t necessarily mean he can hack it at the next level. so maybe Critch’s decision to loan him out was to give him plenty of match time and build his confidence.
But he scores some goals for Tranmere and suddenly Critch has made “another” cock up by sending him out on loan rather than having him warming the bench at Blackpool
And I get accused of not knowing much about football !
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Apter has 7 goals and 2 assists from 17 starts and 7 sub appearances. (League + FA Cup) The majority of games he's played on the right wing in a 442.

I think the main point to the Apter thing for me is that having seen him play maybe 15 games (youth, preseason and first team) he is obviously *different* from what we have (Dembele aside) and offers *variety* in a very samey squad. He is obviously very good technically and extremely attack minded and confident.

He also offers energy and the foolhardy desire of youth in what is becoming a slightly middle aged (in footballing terms) team.

He's succeeded in every loan he's had, despite the fact that Scunthorpe and Tranmere weren't easy gigs (playing in a shit team doing badly is harder than in a good team doing well)

I don't know that he is 'better' than any of our players but I do know that our substitutions have largely been quite innefective in losing positions or when we've sought a winning goal and we've got zero cover for Dembele who is our only real live wire.

Therefore, I would prefer him to be in our squad offering an option I think we need than not.

The fact we're well adrift of the play offs would suggest Critch hasn't got all the options he needs surely?
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Voy, FYI I googled Apter and that is where I got the one goal from
I do have a clue about football but I’m just not in the habit of watching other teams results to use as an excuse to slag our manager off.
So if Apter was head and shoulders the best player on the park at Edgley then he should be even better at home.
and you can bet your bottom dollar that if he had a mare, missed 2 open goals and a penalty then not one single word would be said.
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Fine, but you were wrong.
 
He will return a better player by far, fast tracked to being a top league 2 player learning 10 times more and faster than he would playing in the dev squad or the odd game for us.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
I’ll hold my hands up Voy but I do think my last sentence is right.
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It's just an IF statement though. Apter has had an excellent loan at Tranmere. There is an argument that he's done a lot better there than he would have done here, given our malaise and unwieldy formation with iffy wing backs.
 
voyeur said:
It's just an IF statement though. Apter has had an excellent loan at Tranmere. There is an argument that he's done a lot better there than he would have done here, given our malaise and unwieldy formation with iffy wing backs.
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Right now, we could put together a very handy 4231 formation but for the lack of an additional technically able and mobile player to play in one of the wide roles behind the striker...

Joseph combines just a tiny hint of Madine with a lot of Yates. Sonny is a lovely link man who ghosts into spaces and would be freed by a double pivot behind him. Dembele would be just ** gorgeous wide. Little Rob Apter is a fizzing mobile chaos engine. All of them are mobile and can swap and all know where the goal is.

Stick 2 from Norburn, Byers and Morgan behind in a silk and steel screen

Go with Jimmy, Marv, Casey and Gabes (3 of the promotion winning back 4) and let one wide player bomb on

Grimmy and his bong in goal putting out clouds of sweet smoke.

It's a tangerine dream.

When do I start in the job?
 
td53 said:
Right now, we could put together a very handy 4231 formation but for the lack of an additional technically able and mobile player to play in one of the wide roles behind the striker...

Joseph combines just a tiny hint of Madine with a lot of Yates. Sonny is a lovely link man who ghosts into spaces and would be freed by a double pivot behind him. Dembele would be just ** gorgeous wide. Little Rob Apter is a fizzing mobile chaos engine. All of them are mobile and can swap and all know where the goal is.

Stick 2 from Norburn, Byers and Morgan behind in a silk and steel screen

Go with Jimmy, Marv, Casey and Gabes (3 of the promotion winning back 4) and let one wide player bomb on

Grimmy and his bong in goal putting out clouds of sweet smoke.

It's a tangerine dream.

When do I start in the job?
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Tomorrow at 08.30 Matt. I'm sewing your initials on this quilted gilet right now, why do they have to be fuck ing quilted?! Bring your own bong - you might need it.
 
voyeur said:
Tomorrow at 08.30 Matt. I'm sewing your initials on this quilted gilet right now, why do they have to be fuck ing quilted?! Bring your own bong - you might need it.
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I appreciate it but I'm going for the dapper gaffer best man at a wedding look then on Tuesday, it's the moulded Adidas football boots and tracksuit bottoms with a rain jacket.

Formation and sartorial elements sorted.

I'll get Gary's number off one of the lads. He'll sort out anyone who isn't listening as I give my 14 hour teamtalk.

Piece of piss this. 👍
 
td53 said:
I appreciate it but I'm going for the dapper gaffer best man at a wedding look then on Tuesday, it's the moulded Adidas football boots and tracksuit bottoms with a rain jacket.

Formation and sartorial elements sorted.

I'll get Gary's number off one of the lads. He'll sort out anyone who isn't listening as I give my 14 hour teamtalk.

Piece of piss this. 👍
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We're ok with you having Gaz in a motivational role but we don't want him anywhere near the grass. You seem to be under the impression that you can wear whatever you want, and chop and change. This is not the case. Match day clothing will be provided. After a very brief induction you will be ferried to Peterborough by your old acquaintance from your podcast who now works in our media dept. He will be running through the key jargon like "through the lines" and "between the lines", "half space", "overloads" and "on the half turn" so that you don't mess up in public in your first post match interview. He will also supply you with a set of questions that our post match interviewer will set you after the game, along with the answers. You'll need to use the journey down to memorise these.
 
voyeur said:
We're ok with you having Gaz in a motivational role but we don't want him anywhere near the grass. You seem to be under the impression that you can wear whatever you want, and chop and change. This is not the case. Match day clothing will be provided. After a very brief induction you will be ferried to Peterborough by your old acquaintance from your podcast who now works in our media dept. He will be running through the key jargon like "through the lines" and "between the lines", "half space", "overloads" and "on the half turn" so that you don't mess up in public in your first post match interview. He will also supply you with a set of questions that our post match interviewer will set you after the game, along with the answers. You'll need to use the journey down to memorise these.
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For fucks sake. Not him. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Critch is just a puppet and really he's in charge of the whole thing.
 
Superbretty said:
Jesus, you will never get a job as a researcher. Voy is indeed correct, he has scored six league goals and one FA Cup goal which I believe does indeed make seven.
Don’t know if you watched the Charlton game but it was 1-1 with about twenty minutes left and we desperately needed a goal. Dembele was flagging and we had no-one on the bench to bring on to change the game. Apter could have been that man but you prefer to put your trust in Critchley’s judgement. I would suggest that trust is misplaced.
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He reminds me very much of Dembele. Direct, threatening and skillfull. Nightmare for the opposition.
Some folk on here should make it their homework to watch all his goals and assists.
 
tangerine_neil said:
He reminds me very much of Dembele. Direct, threatening and skillfull. Nightmare for the opposition.
Some folk on here should make it their homework to watch all his goals and assists.
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I obviously watch the clips of Rob and I did put a Tranmere game on to watch just before his "breakthrough" when he came on as a sub and livenned things up.
Other than that I've not seen him play a 90 minute game so I have to rely on the reports of the Tranmere fans on social media.
Of course I did see all the attributes you praise him for playing for the u18s alongside Tony Weston who's 6 months younger, an Academy year behind and a very similar player (they even went to the same school). Tony was just as good but he chose a different path taking a pro-contract with Rangers to play for his hero Steven Gerrard. I suspect, bearing in mind the similar ages, Tony will know Dembele.
Anyway it didn't quite work out for Tony in Scotland and he's now in Derby's Academy so there's still plenty of time for him and I wish him every success.
Lets hope that Rob's choice is the better one.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
It seems strange that a lauded coach with more coaching badges than you can shake a stick at would loan out a promising young talent rather than coach him himself ?
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Because he can’t be arsed with our youth now he’s a big boys manager. He likes to play with bigger teams youth players on loan instead because they come with some kudos.
 
I think it was the right decision to allow him a full season there whilst he develops his game further and come back ready to influence our first team next season.
Just cos he has scored a goal all the fuss resurfaces.
 
The assist was something special also - just watch the skill as he takes the ball down and leaves a defender for dead before laying on a gift for his colleague.
 
voyeur said:
We're ok with you having Gaz in a motivational role but we don't want him anywhere near the grass. You seem to be under the impression that you can wear whatever you want, and chop and change. This is not the case. Match day clothing will be provided. After a very brief induction you will be ferried to Peterborough by your old acquaintance from your podcast who now works in our media dept. He will be running through the key jargon like "through the lines" and "between the lines", "half space", "overloads" and "on the half turn" so that you don't mess up in public in your first post match interview. He will also supply you with a set of questions that our post match interviewer will set you after the game, along with the answers. You'll need to use the journey down to memorise these.
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What about transition? It's THE key football word.
 
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