Mick on Josh Bowler

I understand what MM is saying about bowler and others, I'm not a particular fan of bowler I think he's a twenty or twenty-five minute player when the game is stretched out, but MM hasn't really set any real structure into the team, defend (very) deep and try to attack on the break. The defensive frailties that Appleton engineered into the team are still very evident
 
Ffs Josh Bowler works wide right with an attacking overlapping full back behind him. Josh can cut inside and if that’s not on push it to the overlapping fb. Simple effective and timeless football tactic.

However…… you need 1 if not 2 defensive midfielders in the middle to cover the gaping hole that he and the overlapping full back leave, plus a pacy centre back that can move across also.

I’ve never played international football but it doesn’t take a ** genius to understand football tactics
 
Think Mick is full of shît.
We‘ve already got 5 or 6 at the back. We need an outlet and Bowler is the best we’ve got. Shouldn’t expect him to track back and cover all the pitch. Ffs commit some men forward and give it a go!
 
Adams Kebab said:
Seems like it 🙈

Looks like zero research or knowledge of players.
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Surely reflects terribly on those who appointed him too, especially after just bringing the likes of Bowler in.

What conversations happened between potential new manager and board regarding the way our squad play, best players and how the new manager would use them, knowing as we do what their strengths and weaknesses are.

I understand it's not the boards job to pick players in positions, but surely getting a manager who fit what we had and / or was best informed about what we have, so could hit the ground running, surely that had to play a part in the appointment.

But it seems like a high level of incompetence to be where we are right now.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Think Mick is full of shît.
We‘ve already got 5 or 6 at the back. We need an outlet and Bowler is the best we’ve got. Shouldn’t expect him to track back and cover all the pitch. Ffs commit some men forward and give it a go!
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Of course he has to track back… He’s not good enough to shirk all responsibility I’m afraid. Critchley expected it … Mick expects it

It would be utterly ridiculous for anyone ti suggest otherwise tbh.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he has to track back… He’s not good enough to shirk all responsibility I’m afraid. Critchley expected it … Mick expects it

It would be utterly ridiculous for anyone ti suggest otherwise tbh.
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Our form is utterly ridiculous and it’s clear what we’ve tried to force onto the team under Mick, isn’t working.
We need Bowler, Rogers & Poveda all higher up the pitch, as an outlet, not in/around our own box when we’ve already got an excess of defenders supposedly doing that job.
 
JJpool said:
Surely reflects terribly on those who appointed him too, especially after just bringing the likes of Bowler in.

What conversations happened between potential new manager and board regarding the way our squad play, best players and how the new manager would use them, knowing as we do what their strengths and weaknesses are.

I understand it's not the boards job to pick players in positions, but surely getting a manager who fit what we had and / or was best informed about what we have, so could hit the ground running, surely that had to play a part in the appointment.

But it seems like a high level of incompetence to be where we are right now.
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This is exactly why I would go for Dobbie rather than an experienced manager who thinks he knows the answers but does not bother with basic research. For those questioning his lack of experience, could he possibly do any worse?
All appointments carry a risk but give him a, one year rolling with the option to move back into development if it does not work out. Low cost and low risk, upsides are he knows the development squad and scottish football
 
tangerine_neil said:
Our form is utterly ridiculous and it’s clear what we’ve tried to force onto the team under Mick, isn’t working.
We need Bowler, Rogers & Poveda all higher up the pitch, as an outlet, not in/around our own box when we’ve already got an excess of defenders supposedly doing that job.
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Total rubbish….

We need a functioning midfield.. Not some nonsensical caution to the wind Clownball
 
tangysider said:
This is exactly why I would go for Dobbie rather than an experienced manager who thinks he knows the answers but does not bother with basic research. For those questioning his lack of experience, could he possibly do any worse?
All appointments carry a risk but give him a, one year rolling with the option to move back into development if it does not work out. Low cost and low risk, upsides are he knows the development squad and scottish football
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That's what I've said all along too. Ideally Dobbie is far to inexperienced, but whats experience got us. But who else could have stepped in with knowledge of the style, setup, players, already at the club and know and loves it and with an experienced number 2 to help him... all we really needed was the players playing similar ish football under a new guy with the fans onside. That was probably the difference in coming out of tight games on the wrong end. Appleton had seemingly fallen out with Grimshaw, didn't play Dougall despite our midfield being overrun.
 
Chunkylad said:
Ffs Josh Bowler works wide right with an attacking overlapping full back behind him. Josh can cut inside and if that’s not on push it to the overlapping fb. Simple effective and timeless football tactic.

However…… you need 1 if not 2 defensive midfielders in the middle to cover the gaping hole that he and the overlapping full back leave, plus a pacy centre back that can move across also.

I’ve never played international football but it doesn’t take a ** genius to understand football tactics
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Makes both bowler and the team quite predictable, if the opposition coach has any beans about them
 
That’s the problem. We’re far too predictable. It’s all too easy for the opposition to read and counteract.
Chucking more bodies into defence and forcing Bowler etc into more defensive duties is not going to get the goals we need to secure enough wins on the board. Shít or bust stage now. I’d even be tempted to play 3-4-3.
 
tangerine_neil said:
That’s the problem. We’re far too predictable. It’s all too easy for the opposition to read and counteract.
Chucking more bodies into defence and forcing Bowler etc into more defensive duties is not going to get the goals we need to secure enough wins on the board. Shít or bust stage now. I’d even be tempted to play 3-4-3.
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Of course it will get more goals…. You need to win the ball back and compete properly and aggressively to impose yourself on a game of football.

You can’t just fanny around, chase the ball down half-heartedly, switch off when your team mates are pressing and expect to win anything.

And it makes no difference what system you play… If you’re not doing the basics, then you’re always going to struggle.
 
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tangerine_neil said:
That’s the problem. We’re far too predictable. It’s all too easy for the opposition to read and counteract.
Chucking more bodies into defence and forcing Bowler etc into more defensive duties is not going to get the goals we need to secure enough wins on the board. Shít or bust stage now. I’d even be tempted to play 3-4-3.
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We certainly are predictable. Last week we pressed the self destruct button and had a player go off injured before 20 mins had gone. That's as consistent a view of our entire season as you're ever going to get.

Really doesn't matter what our starting lineup is, give away a shocking goal at 0-0 and
we're going to lose a lot more than we win. The idea that you need all the creatives to get you back into the game is immaterial to the reality that it's better to not be in the shit in the first place and the more thats the case, the more chance you have of winning games.
 
Chunkylad said:
It does but if you throw in Yates, Poveda and Morgan then there’s plenty of other things to throw at them too.
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With all those players you mentioned we should be an attacking force and if you add in the pace of CJ, Patinos range of passing when on his game and given some freedom to play, Carey has the ability to pop up in the box regularly there are as you say numerous options. Bowler is very predictable and organised defences seem to work him out quite quickly and because he rarely passes the ball other players do not get bought in. Rogers can be a bit head down as well, but I genuinely don't understand why poveda isn't playing as a number 10 behind the striker, preferably Yates.
 
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