Middlesbrough and Carrick

Phil_bfc deux said:
Players, players, players and more fcuking players

Middlesbrough like West Brom have strong squad's with several options all over the pitch

We don't so all this manager comparison stuff is nonsense
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I agree with many of your posts Phil, our squad is generally pretty s**te and these next 4 weeks are key. But you can’t deny MA’s career record isn’t good. We’ve had poor to average squads in previous seasons too, but the difference then was we had someone in charge who could get the best out of his players and played them to their strengths.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Players, players, players and more fcuking players

Middlesbrough like West Brom have strong squad's with several options all over the pitch

We don't so all this manager comparison stuff is nonsense
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So if a manager thinks that his squad of players aren't good enough to stay up why would he stay in the job? Is he just hanging around to get a pay off?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
So if a manager thinks that his squad of players aren't good enough to stay up why would he stay in the job? Is he just hanging around to get a pay off?
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Where have I said he doesn't think they are good enough

I think we will bring a few in as the board know they have fcuked up and we will improve and stay up

I'm quite looking forward to it, least there is something to play for 😉
 
Our passing is poor, our free kicks are poor, our corners are poor and even our throw ins are poor.
I would expect professional footballers to be able to do the basics requirements of the above.
A manager has to have a coaching badge to become a manager so i would expect him to be able set the team up properly and improve all areas on the pitch and the players as well.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh, it's done Wigan the world of good 👍🏻
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Well Wigan seemed to be going down under Richardson too. So it’s either they continue going down or try something new and maybe stay up. If it doesn’t work at least they tried.

Atm we’re going down under Appleton. If we’re on our way down we may as well try do something to change course. As it is we’re just doing nothing - which funnily enough won’t achieve much
 
Was at the Boro home game and when they sent Crooks and Mowatt on as late subs to have a bit of a runout with the match (or training session for them) well won and it was clear that if they played for us they'd have started the game. So those are the differences.

But yes, whatever Carrick and his staff have done there they've done it very quickly and galvanised them. They might tail off again but for now it's had the desired effect. When you make a change you hope it can either make the whole greater than the sum of the parts (in our case), or you can get a strong squad to recognise what they are again.
 
poolfc said:
Was at the Boro home game and when they sent Crooks and Mowatt on as late subs to have a bit of a runout with the match (or training session for them) well won and it was clear that if they played for us they'd have started the game. So those are the differences.

But yes, whatever Carrick and his staff have done there they've done it very quickly and galvanised them. They might tail off again but for now it's had the desired effect. When you make a change you hope it can either make the whole greater than the sum of the parts (in our case), or you can get a strong squad to recognise what they are again.
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Could you image us having midfielders as good as Mowatt and Crooks on the bench

That's what we are up against
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Could you image us having midfielders as good as Mowatt and Crooks on the bench

That's what we are up against
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Yep. And we just wouldn't. They'd be starting. I picked out Crooks (not hard to miss tbf) when Rotherham came down and we came up as he'd already said he wanted to stay in the championship and no surprise he took Warnock's fancy. You've got to be in there properly and early and not play at it if you want them.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Well Wigan seemed to be going down under Richardson too. So it’s either they continue going down or try something new and maybe stay up. If it doesn’t work at least they tried.

Atm we’re going down under Appleton. If we’re on our way down we may as well try do something to change course. As it is we’re just doing nothing - which funnily enough won’t achieve much
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It's better players we need not a manager change
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh, it's done Wigan the world of good 👍🏻
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For every Wigan there's tons of teams like WBA, Boro, who looked utter dog shit then a new man in suddenly the players are performing and winning non stop.

Of course they have better players but care to explain the sudden shift in getting something out of them?

Only 1 change happened.
 
JJpool said:
For every Wigan there's tons of teams like WBA, Boro, who looked utter dog shit then a new man in suddenly the players are performing and winning non stop.

Of course they have better players but care to explain the sudden shift in getting something out of them?

Only 1 change happened.
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For every Wigan who don't have much money, there's teams like WBA and Boro who throw money anything in the hope of success.
Don't kid yourself, we'd like to remain a championship club whereas Boro and Baggies fans demand that they get to the Premiership.
A massive difference.

I don't agree with the little Blackpool comments but if you think we can honestly compete with the likes of those teams off the pitch then it's quite frankly laughable.
 
Wizzerboy said:
For every Wigan who don't have much money, there's teams like WBA and Boro who throw money anything in the hope of success.
Don't kid yourself, we'd like to remain a championship club whereas Boro and Baggies fans demand that they get to the Premiership.
A massive difference.

I don't agree with the little Blackpool comments but if you think we can honestly compete with the likes of those teams off the pitch then it's quite frankly laughable.
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What are you on about? Classic missing the point.

It's not about competing with those 2 clubs, although we do have to being in the same league, but of course we won't be spending anywhere near. That's not what I said.

It's about the fact they got new managers and, with no other changes at the club, got the players who were losing every week and bow are suddenly are winning, with no money spent just a change of manager.

Yes they have great sqauds but that's the point, they weren't performing and a new manager allowed them too.

If you can't see the comparison to us then there's little point having this conversation. Not to say we'll suddenly win 6 in a row like WBA or whatever, but a new manager quite often gives a whole club a lift. When players get confidence back they can perform to their best.
 
JJpool said:
What are you on about? Classic missing the point.

It's not about competing with those 2 clubs, although we do have to being in the same league, but of course we won't be spending anywhere near. That's not what I said.

It's about the fact they got new managers and, with no other changes at the club, got the players who were losing every week and bow are suddenly are winning, with no money spent just a change of manager.

Yes they have great sqauds but that's the point, they weren't performing and a new manager allowed them too.

If you can't see the comparison to us then there's little point having this conversation. Not to say we'll suddenly win 6 in a row like WBA or whatever, but a new manager quite often gives a whole club a lift. When players get confidence back they can perform to their best.
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I haven't missed the point at all.
It's worked at Boro and WB because they had good players there in the first place.
It HASN'T worked at Wigan as they haven't good players, that may change in the Jan window.
Were the WB and Boro players acting like slapped arses because they didn't like/want the manager there at the time?
Who knows.

Are we in the relegation zone purely down to Appleton?
The answer is an emphatic no.
It's a combination of injury, bad luck, lack of quality, the manager and the board to produce.
Getting rid of the manager doesn't make the other aspects of our demise suddenly disappear.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I haven't missed the point at all.
It's worked at Boro and WB because they had good players there in the first place.
It HASN'T worked at Wigan as they haven't good players, that may change in the Jan window.
Were the WB and Boro players acting like slapped arses because they didn't like/want the manager there at the time?
Who knows.

Are we in the relegation zone purely down to Appleton?
The answer is an emphatic no.
It's a combination of injury, bad luck, lack of quality, the manager and the board to produce.
Getting rid of the manager doesn't make the other aspects of our demise suddenly disappear.
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You are wasting your time folk are just blinded by the PNE history
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's better players we need not a manager change
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Does Appleton not take some responsibility for some of the poor signings we've made? Surely he has some input into who we bring in.

You can say more investment but those Prem loanees must cost a few quid, I guess nobody really knows.
 
TommyHutch said:
I agree with many of your posts Phil, our squad is generally pretty s**te and these next 4 weeks are key. But you can’t deny MA’s career record isn’t good. We’ve had poor to average squads in previous seasons too, but the difference then was we had someone in charge who could get the best out of his players and played them to their strengths.
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Right now appletons doing the opposite... he's trying to get our poor to average squad to play to his own perceived strengths. And it's not ** working.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Does Appleton not take some responsibility for some of the poor signings we've made? Surely he has some input into who we bring in.

You can say more investment but those Prem loanees must cost a few quid, I guess nobody really knows.
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Probably but we don't know do we?

Did he really want all these loans, seems strange given the statement Ben Mansford made
 
Wizzerboy said:
I haven't missed the point at all.
It's worked at Boro and WB because they had good players there in the first place.
It HASN'T worked at Wigan as they haven't good players, that may change in the Jan window.
Were the WB and Boro players acting like slapped arses because they didn't like/want the manager there at the time?
Who knows.

Are we in the relegation zone purely down to Appleton?
The answer is an emphatic no.
It's a combination of injury, bad luck, lack of quality, the manager and the board to produce.
Getting rid of the manager doesn't make the other aspects of our demise suddenly disappear.
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You clearly missed the point as you said about competing with them rather than about the improvement.

We have better players than what we've shown, not to the same degree as a WBA or Boro, but better than no win in 2 months.

If you can't see about getting a lift from a ew manager which happens quite often. I don't care about Wigan, we know how much our fan backing can affect things. A managerial change and the feelgood and atm back could be the difference.

Where have I said its purely down to Appleton, I've always said about the combination of factors.

People on her love to put words into your mouth and assume.
 
JJpool said:
You clearly missed the point as you said about competing with them rather than about the improvement.

We have better players than what we've shown, not to the same degree as a WBA or Boro, but better than no win in 2 months.

If you can't see about getting a lift from a ew manager which happens quite often. I don't care about Wigan, we know how much our fan backing can affect things. A managerial change and the feelgood and atm back could be the difference.

Where have I said its purely down to Appleton, I've always said about the combination of factors.

People on her love to put words into your mouth and assume.
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OK, let's get someone in with a bloody big magic wand.
What happens if they don't win in 8, get someone else in?
And another, and another.............
You get the club you deserve 👍🏻
 
Wizzerboy said:
OK, let's get someone in with a bloody big magic wand.
What happens if they don't win in 8, get someone else in?
And another, and another.............
You get the club you deserve 👍🏻
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Don't be daft, deserve the club I get? Weird statement to make when most managers on this sort of a run get potted, which I haven't exactly been calling for. But ok 👍

You seem to be missing the fact we brought someone in who was already disliked for whatever reasons, hence why he got less time, but still took half a season for it to turn. A new man wouldn't be, its kind of a big difference.
 
JJpool said:
Don't be daft, deserve the club I get? Weird statement to make when most managers on this sort of a run get potted, which I haven't exactly been calling for. But ok 👍

You seem to be missing the fact we brought someone in who was already disliked for whatever reasons, hence why he got less time, but still took half a season for it to turn. A new man wouldn't be, its kind of a big difference.
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Fine, we have a difference of opinions 👍🏻
 
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