More Met Officers arrested

He'd probably just be promoted now in this day and age of no shame and corruption. Used to walk to school with his son when they lived on Devvy road. He had status because of his father, must of hit him hard when he lost it all. His son was a really nice lad though.
 
There are good and bad in all walks of life.
I worked for Beds Police (as a civilian but operative) for 8 years, some great guys there.
Martin Bayfield was there at the time. 6' 10 ins, tall. I felt like a midget next to him on exercise once.
 
Davepick said:
There are good and bad in all walks of life.
I worked for Beds Police (as a civilian but operative) for 8 years, some great guys there.
Martin Bayfield was there at the time. 6' 10 ins, tall. I felt like a midget next to him on exercise once.
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Martin Bayfield was Robbie Coltrane’s body double in the Harry Potter films. He also played the part of young Hagrid. Well I never.
 
Malced said:
Agree with that.
From my perspective, I think most of the issues are systemic and I wouldn’t blame individual officers for that.
However the systemic issues are indeed there, and these lead to bad policing and bad police.
It’s an incredibly tough job, especially with less resources than required, but the police force has lost its way. It’s need a complete overhaul if public confidence and respect are to be restored.
These recent efforts to root out offenders from within will help, but it’s only a start. But so much more is needed.
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The systemic issues though both attract a certain type of person to policing, and the system of recruitiment doesnt vet the individuals properly, nor does it correct ongoing issues with individual officers at all levels or policing in general. How Cressida Dick for example could end up as a chief constable of the Met when she had been problematic in every single role she had had, beggars belief. That stems from a culture both in the police and in the political paymasters that authority cannot be wrong. When individual officers or the service in general fails, admitting that failure in the current culture risks undermining the basic authority under which the police operate. It's much easier to roll out the bad apple argument.

I'll repeat what i put earlier that policing needs to have its role defined to meet modern societal needs. The police as an organisation are largely focused on petty rule infractions, actual serious crime is in the main logged as occurring and generally ignored. Someone mentioned 1 in 20 crimes are solved, but that includes all offences, serious offences i seem to remember reading not so long agao are around 1 in 50ish. the end of last year saw the Met write off about a million os so outstanding crimes that had not been resolved. Making arrests is what usually marks out officers who are considered successful, the motivation to lie, or just to make arrests or write out penalty notices is another problem, that in itself drives individual officers and police policy towards petty inractions that look good on the stats.

Crime reduction will never be reduced significantly by policing, the underlying anti-social personalities that commit crime will always commit crime, those that commit crime because of social deprivation, mental illness, addiction etc or are culturally inducted into crime through one reason or another can only be solved at a social level. The police cannot really reduce crime, they have been shown over the last four decades as being incapable of investigating serious crime to any reasonable level so their basic function needs to be addressed and possibly changed completely.

Someone mentioned police training and graduates. The ten weeks of training is fundamentally insufficient ( i realise there is then on the job training as a probationer) but the german police require a year of essential training and another 6 months of specialised training, at that point the individual is given an internship. After three years they qualify as a police officer by taking an exam which is the equivalent of a bachelors degree.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
This is why I talk about society getting the police we deserve. Society itself has become more aggressive, less tolerant in some ways and certainly more cynical. Police officers come from that same society and in their jobs they certainly see the roughest end of it. It must be very hard to maintain a professional and balanced view of things in those circumstances but that is what they must do.

As regards your list:

1. Fully agree and needs to be reversed.
2. Agree but the thin blue line is very stretched.
3. Again, resources. But yes, some refocus needed.
4. If true it's a reflection on the leadership.
5. I need convincing about that. It shouldn't affect the rank & file officers.
6. Agree but look to the Home Office for the drive behind that.
7. Don't know.
8. Again, I don't know.
9. Sorry but I'll need to pay more attention. I've not seen this.
10. That's about leadership.
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I agree it must be very hard. But I fear its a vicious circle. The more society loses respect for police, the harder their jobs will get.

But it’s not only respect that’s disappearing, more worryingly perhaps is that they’re losing trust. Yeah there’s several high profile shocking cases over the last few years which haven’t helped. However it’s far deeper than that.

With regards to the list, you can find lots of information about how police personnel have been logging and investigating social media comments. The vast majority of these are non-crimes though someone has been offended enough to complain.
For some cases they knock on doors and give warnings etc. This is nonsense. Imagine how much social media is used across society. Millions and millions of people typing away almost 24/7. They shouldn’t be wasting their time with assessing whether something strays into offensive territory. The can’t and shouldn’t be the feelings police.
Yes if there’s strong evidence of hate crime and threats of violence then that’s another matter. But the stats show they’re wasting effort on non-crimes when there’s such much real crime undetected or unresolved.

For item 4 on the list, look no further than Manchester police who logged and cleared quick-win crimes, but purposely chose not to log tens of thousands of more difficult cases. You know - the ones that would need some good old fashioned police work to resolve. Some investigation. Some evidence gathering. This was all about target manipulation so they could be seen to be high performing based on their target achievement

As far as ‘scruffy’ goes, I’m not the only one to say this. It’s down to what we all observe and maybe we have different standards.
I was in the armed forces for 7 years. We had to be pristine in our dress and overall appearance. We also had to be physically fit.
I see many police officers whom look unfit.
But also many who look scruffy. I admit I might be setting high standards based on my forces career. Back then we weren’t allowed to have tattoos showing. We weren’t allowed beards.
When I see police showing their tattooes and beards I find this unprofessional and scruffy.
There’s also some who wear the ear-lobe rings. The ones designed to stretch a hole in your earlobe. I’ve heard police reps talk about wanting to have such relaxed standards because they want to be seen as the same as the community. So they can be seen as in touch and up to date. However I think this is flawed logic. People respected the police partly because they were professional in conduct and appearance. They held high standards. I feel they’ve lowered their standards and they’re reaping what they sow.
 
Malced said:
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.

I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.

Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.

Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-

  1. Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
  2. Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
  3. Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
  4. Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
  5. They’ve become far too politicised
  6. They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
  7. They are far too keen to issue petty fines
  8. They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
  9. Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
  10. They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with contempt. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.

Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.

There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.

I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
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I agree with most of what you say Malced, although I do think that the Police have always lacked integrity and harboured criminality and immoral behaviour within their organisation.
 
Malced said:
I agree it must be very hard. But I fear its a vicious circle. The more society loses respect for police, the harder their jobs will get.
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It is a vicious circle, the more they lose the respect of the public, the more they retreat into their group exceptionality, and the more they treat the public as an enemy, which makes the public treat the police with suspicion, particularly as to their (the police) motives. The end game is the police as an occupying force as in the states where a majority of people genuinely fear police interaction.
 
The Met police that when not running away were taking a knee during the BLM riots where Churchill’s statue was defaced.

A week or so later best the crap out peaceful protest about anti lockdown.
 
Wizaard said:
Safer policing officer anything but.

metro.co.uk

Serving Met officer who worked at school admits having sex with girl, 14

PC Hussain Chehab, 22, worked as a Safer Schools officer while committing some of the offences he admitted to.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
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🙄 Depressing, isn’t it. Mind you, at least there is good news, too 🤔😔

www.bbc.co.uk

Two or three Met officers to face court a week, commissioner says

Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says the alleged offences include violence against women and girls.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Malced said:
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.

I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.

Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.

Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-

  1. Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
  2. Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
  3. Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
  4. Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
  5. They’ve become far too politicised
  6. They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
  7. They are far too keen to issue petty fines
  8. They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
  9. Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
  10. They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with contempt. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.

Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.

There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.

I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
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They have become worse since lockdown made them feel so powerful. I hope if they go to prison they go in the main population and not protected. My mate is a prison officer and recons they are protected.
 
Seasider1887 said:
They have become worse since lockdown made them feel so powerful. I hope if they go to prison they go in the main population and not protected. My mate is a prison officer and recons they are protected.
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During lockdown they plummeted to a new low. Most of their fines were rescinded. But only after they tried to criminalise decent law abiding people for the heinous offence of sitting on a park bench or getting a cup of coffee.
Lockdown was a great opportunity to focus on their backlogs and tackle outstanding crime. But they were instead utilised to go after folk trying to keep their business afloat and trying to keep their sanity. I will not forget or forgive.
 
Malced said:
During lockdown they plummeted to a new low. Most of their fines were rescinded. But only after they tried to criminalise decent law abiding people for the heinous offence of sitting on a park bench or getting a cup of coffee.
Lockdown was a great opportunity to focus on their backlogs and tackle outstanding crime. But they were instead utilised to go after folk trying to keep their business afloat and trying to keep their sanity. I will not forget or forgive.
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Well said they went power crazy!
 
As the white man is officially in the minority in London and other major cities in the UK there is a big push to ensure that the police force represents the community it serves. Read an interesting article on this topic which was a little disturbing.


www.telegraph.co.uk

Met applicants ‘functionally illiterate in English accepted in bid to improve diversity’

HM Inspectorate says while it is ‘noble and right’ recruitment should not be at the expense of standards
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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