More Met Officers arrested

I’m surprised that this thread had stayed up so long. The mods seem a little over protective where the filth are concerned
 
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Bend it like Suddick said:
I wasn't aware that misdemeanour was relating to grooming or sexual offence, correct me if I'm wrong?
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I was talking about corruption generally rather than specific offences.

Parr was the head of the force. No one higher.

And it wasn’t a misdemeanour that did for him. Parr was bounced because he tried to cover up the deaths of two young women on Preston New Road. Caused by a family member of a politically connected heavyweight.

It was whitewashed. But very serious for all that.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I was talking about corruption generally rather than specific offences.

Parr was the head of the force. No one higher.

And it wasn’t a misdemeanour that did for him. Parr was bounced because he tried to cover up the deaths of two young women on Preston New Road. Caused by a family member of a politically connected heavyweight.

It was whitewashed. But very serious for all that.
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Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.

My previous comment was mainly directed at 'todayistoday' as his post generalised that Lancs Police officers should be worried re grooming etc without substantiating his allegation.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.

My previous comment was mainly directed at 'todayistoday' as his post generalised that Lancs Police officers should be worried re grooming etc without substantiating his allegation.
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To be fair Parr was brought down by a police officer. A sergeant I think and a whistleblower before there was such a thing.

I was always a bit sad that Geoff Mounsey wasn’t the one to dob him in. Maybe he did his bit in the background?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
To be fair Parr was brought down by a police officer. A sergeant I think and a whistleblower before there was such a thing.

I was always a bit sad that Geoff Mounsey wasn’t the one to dob him in. Maybe he did his bit in the background?
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Mex, the name rings a bell but can you enlighten me who Geoff Mounsey is/was. Senior Officer?
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Mex, the name rings a bell but can you enlighten me who Geoff Mounsey is/was. Senior Officer?
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My mistake. It was Joe not Geoff.

Head of detectives and ACC. I think he took over from Parr when he was sacked.

He was involved in the investigation of the Moors murders and plenty of others as well. Described to me as a “copper’s copper” although his interrogation techniques with EOKA terrorists probably wouldn’t stand scrutiny these days.

His son (Huey possibly) was a friend of a friend. Lovely lad if a bit different. Although he lived in Preston he used to busk in Blackpool. I was on my way through town one day in the early 80s, suited and carrying a briefcase, when I saw him and stopped for a chat. I was quickly surrounded by his busker mates who thought I was an authority figure 😂
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.

My previous comment was mainly directed at 'todayistoday' as his post generalised that Lancs Police officers should be worried re grooming etc without substantiating his allegation.
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In general bendit. I have no gripe with Police, just the very small % who ruin it for most. The CPS and legal profession will no doubt need to be looked into. So many corrupt solicitors over the years in Blackpool, recent b&f health authority incident, the guy from the 80's at BFC coaching, has everyone else been checked. Will take a long time to sort through.
 
165,000 police officers in the UK plus PCSO's & Support staff. There is no surprise that there are some bad apples, it's like many jobs, it is open for wrong un's to get into, it gives them access to women, children, money, drugs, organised crime. The Met are by far the worst and have been since it was formed, there is obviously similar in all forces and it makes me sick to see it, it should never happen.

I don't think I am like Bendit, I hated the Police long before I left, it scarred me mentally for life and if I had my time again I wouldn't go near it for all the money in the world. It's a shit job and I would try and talk anyone thinking of joining. There were sex pests, bullies, misogynists, thieves, paedophiles, drug users, homophobes, racists, and then you had to deal with the criminals who weren't police officers. I have nightmares 3 or 4 times a week about it and have for years. I hope they all get what they deserve.
 
hertfordseasider said:
165,000 police officers in the UK plus PCSO's & Support staff. There is no surprise that there are some bad apples, it's like many jobs, it is open for wrong un's to get into, it gives them access to women, children, money, drugs, organised crime. The Met are by far the worst and have been since it was formed, there is obviously similar in all forces and it makes me sick to see it, it should never happen.

I don't think I am like Bendit, I hated the Police long before I left, it scarred me mentally for life and if I had my time again I wouldn't go near it for all the money in the world. It's a shit job and I would try and talk anyone thinking of joining. There were sex pests, bullies, misogynists, thieves, paedophiles, drug users, homophobes, racists, and then you had to deal with the criminals who weren't police officers. I have nightmares 3 or 4 times a week about it and have for years. I hope they all get what they deserve.
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Sounds like my last workplace. Hope you feel better now. The stress can really get to you.
 
hertfordseasider said:
165,000 police officers in the UK plus PCSO's & Support staff. There is no surprise that there are some bad apples, it's like many jobs, it is open for wrong un's to get into, it gives them access to women, children, money, drugs, organised crime. The Met are by far the worst and have been since it was formed, there is obviously similar in all forces and it makes me sick to see it, it should never happen.

I don't think I am like Bendit, I hated the Police long before I left, it scarred me mentally for life and if I had my time again I wouldn't go near it for all the money in the world. It's a shit job and I would try and talk anyone thinking of joining. There were sex pests, bullies, misogynists, thieves, paedophiles, drug users, homophobes, racists, and then you had to deal with the criminals who weren't police officers. I have nightmares 3 or 4 times a week about it and have for years. I hope they all get what they deserve.
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Don’t get me wrong herts, I have deep reservations like you. There were some truly bad officers and some Supervision was appalling. Still have a soft spot for the job as I ended up doing a civvy job with them and my youngest has been in the job for 22 years and just got his LSM.

I look at the ‘Service’ now and cringe. No discipline, scruffy, no leadership etc etc.
Good bobbies are on a hiding to nothing especially on this Forum 🙄
 
Apologies for the long post but its something that stikes a particular chord with me. I'm of the opinion that the police like many public institutions has been corrupted by years of political shenanigans, poor management, dubious recruitment, and general malaise. I think the problem goes even deeper though, in that the role and purpose of the police in wider society is not really defined or understood, either by the public, or the police themselves, and you could apply the same thoughts to the justice system as a whole and therefore it becomes a political plaything. The stats on serious crime, violence, robbery etc are stupendously bad, and much of the resource is applied to public petty rule breaking siimply because it is visible and easy to undertake and demonstrate results and in some cases are exceptional revenue generators.

Where there are relatively high incidences of certain crimes or anti-social behaviour, knife crime or drug dealing, or football hooliganism etc amongst the general public, which is perpetrated by a very small proportion of those populations, the tendency of the police under authority of government is the whole population is tarred with the reputation and harrassed, persecuted or otherwise treated as complicit in those activities. If that is the method by which those activities are rooted out of populations then the same argument should be being applied to the police. Individual rotten apples spoiling the barrel doesn't hold as an argument, if it also doesnt apply to parts of the general population.

The culture of policing also in my opinion needs to be radically changed, the problem is we have had forty years of the police in general being an instrument of government rather than a community safety / security resource, and the police (like many other government bodies) have an exceptionalism culture where they think they stand apart from (and above) the general public, although its nowhere near as bad as the US where most police forces are on a literal war footing with the public. However if police culture in the UK is left to continue down its current path then the politics that drives policing will take it towards extreme american methods, Boris Johnson as London mayor was heading in that direction, the purchase of water cannon and armoured vehicles for example, and that only creates a need to use those resources to justify having them.

Just had the BBC news website on, Rishi Sunak is apparently "under investigation" for not wearing a seatbelt in a moving car. The ""investigation"" should be all of two seconds long, there is photographic / video evidence. Sunak has admitted it, penalty notice should be issued. Some senior detective is probably going to be assigned to produce a report on the merits of prosecution, the issueance or not of said penalty notice to Sunak and probably his police driver (with the consequences to said driver, points, possible job loss etc) and then spend an inordinate amount of time justifying whatever actions they have taken. but it goes to my point to the overall pettiness of police work, it is an infraction that affects no-one but Sunak has been visibly involved in significant corruption in office which has had consequences to millions of people and yet that is deemed not prosecutable.
 
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I’ve not seen figures for the U.K., but in the US, the Police has the highest percentage of Domestic Violence offenders of any workforce.

So maybe we shouldn’t really be surprised by this at all. I’m certainly not…

And of course, there’s going to be plenty of decent officers I’m sure, but it’s somewhat inevitable they will be tarred with the same brush.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Don’t get me wrong herts, I have deep reservations like you. There were some truly bad officers and some Supervision was appalling. Still have a soft spot for the job as I ended up doing a civvy job with them and my youngest has been in the job for 22 years and just got his LSM.

I look at the ‘Service’ now and cringe. No discipline, scruffy, no leadership etc etc.
Good bobbies are on a hiding to nothing especially on this Forum 🙄
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Bend it, I've read your posts about the police and I know that the current issues are with the Met specifically but I would ask you a more generic question. Does the British Public get the police force it deserves?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Bend it, I've read your posts about the police and I know that the current issues are with the Met specifically but I would ask you a more generic question. Does the British Public get the police force it deserves?
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No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.

Now a shift is lucky to get 5 on a shift, total, with an increased workload.

Reading about the scum that have infiltrated the Police Service is truly disheartening, especially when the majority really try their best under conditions that Joe Public really haven't a Scooby about.

Anybody who criticises them should really accompany them for a week, and I guarantee they would change their opinion and be amazed what they have to do during a tour of duty.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.

Now a shift is lucky to get 5 on a shift, total, with an increased workload.

Reading about the scum that have infiltrated the Police Service is truly disheartening, especially when the majority really try their best under conditions that Joe Public really haven't a Scooby about.

Anybody who criticises them should really accompany them for a week, and I guarantee they would change their opinion and be amazed what they have to do during a tour of duty.
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Thanks for your reply. What I was actually getting at, (cynically), was, is the British Public, from whom the police service is drawn, so ill-educated, self-obsessed and indifferent to public service as to make policing fail in its primary duties. Apologies if I'm being very heavy on this.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Thanks for your reply. What I was actually getting at, (cynically), was, is the British Public, from whom the police service is drawn, so ill-educated, self-obsessed and indifferent to public service as to make policing fail in its primary duties. Apologies if I'm being very heavy on this.
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Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.

Again referring to my tenure, we had to train at a Police Training Centre for at least 10 weeks. Years later they shut down and training was done in situ at Division.
There was also a reliance on 'educated' applicants with degrees rather than good candidates with life experience.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.

Again referring to my tenure, we had to train at a Police Training Centre for at least 10 weeks. Years later they shut down and training was done in situ at Division.
There was also a reliance on 'educated' applicants with degrees rather than good candidates with life experience.
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I can understand what you say. Career police officers with degrees are essential but so are non-career officers who want to be out serving the public.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.

Now a shift is lucky to get 5 on a shift, total, with an increased workload.

Reading about the scum that have infiltrated the Police Service is truly disheartening, especially when the majority really try their best under conditions that Joe Public really haven't a Scooby about.

Anybody who criticises them should really accompany them for a week, and I guarantee they would change their opinion and be amazed what they have to do during a tour of duty.
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They have been infiltrating the police since day one, needs regular checks. Will be a tough ask when officers can command big money for information.
 
Rishi Sunak has been fined for not wearing a seatbelt. Rightly so but how did the police find out about it? Social media. How about getting of your fat arses and do some proper policing? Wankers
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.

Again referring to my tenure, we had to train at a Police Training Centre for at least 10 weeks. Years later they shut down and training was done in situ at Division.
There was also a reliance on 'educated' applicants with degrees rather than good candidates with life experience.
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I totally agree few have any life experience and it shows. Recruitment is so important in any business. I despair at some our recruitment decisions where I work. Good candidates that are smart and willing get overlooked for self entitled less interested types. Back in the day Police we’re automatically respected by the majority of the community.
 
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.

I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.

Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.

Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-

  1. Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
  2. Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
  3. Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
  4. Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
  5. They’ve become far too politicised
  6. They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
  7. They are far too keen to issue petty fines
  8. They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
  9. Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
  10. They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with contempt. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.

Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.

There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.

I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
 
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Police officers start off as normal people. Some good people some bad people so there’ll always be some bad apples but it will be highlighted more than in the general public..

On the subject of police misconduct, I have wondered if they get indoctrinated into acting a certain way after a period in the force. There surely must be an ‘us against them’ mentality and they have power over the general public, perhaps some lines can get blurred. Obviously not in relation to the sexual crimes but where ‘reasonable force’ is or is not required.

There’s clearly a lack of funding (with the rest of the public sector) which makes these people’s lives more difficult so it seems unfair to blame individuals on systemic issues like how many bobbies are on the beat etc.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Police officers start off as normal people. Some good people some bad people so there’ll always be some bad apples but it will be highlighted more than in the general public..

On the subject of police misconduct, I have wondered if they get indoctrinated into acting a certain way after a period in the force. There surely must be an ‘us against them’ mentality and they have power over the general public, perhaps some lines can get blurred. Obviously not in relation to the sexual crimes but where ‘reasonable force’ is or is not required.

There’s clearly a lack of funding (with the rest of the public sector) which makes these people’s lives more difficult so it seems unfair to blame individuals on systemic issues like how many bobbies are on the beat etc.
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Agree with that.
From my perspective, I think most of the issues are systemic and I wouldn’t blame individual officers for that.
However the systemic issues are indeed there, and these lead to bad policing and bad police.
It’s an incredibly tough job, especially with less resources than required, but the police force has lost its way. It’s need a complete overhaul if public confidence and respect are to be restored.
These recent efforts to root out offenders from within will help, but it’s only a start. But so much more is needed.
 
Malced said:
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.

I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.

Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.

Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-

  1. Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
  2. Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
  3. Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
  4. Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
  5. They’ve become far too politicised
  6. They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
  7. They are far too keen to issue petty fines
  8. They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
  9. Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
  10. They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with disdain. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.

Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.

There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.

I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
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That’s how I feel too. Good post and not poltuticised like so many replies on here which is typical for this site, that sums it up erfectly for me Malc
 
Do those convicted lose their pension pots too? Would be good if the money accrued in the pot was taken and redistributed to victim charities or even given back to the police service to fund ‘internal affairs’. (This reducing further incidents in the future)
 
Reading some of the posts above, I do wonder if cut backs in numbers is one of the main problems. The fewer coppers left at the coalface may well feel the need to be more aggressive to control situations, where in the past their weight of numbers would be sufficient to de escalate. I hadn't realised training Schools were a thing of the past, instructors were probably dab hands at spotting the Wrong 'uns at a very early stage.

I too wonder about the need for degrees, a bit like nursing, where `I well remember Project 2000. Would love to see some research whether both have actually improved the professions and the experience and stress of the individuals involved. They sure as heck haven't improved the pay, and add student loans in as well, probably a much worse standard of living.
 
Getting a degree is a life experience. If a university Don is murdered on campus who is best to investigate, Inspector Morse or some thicko who left school at 16 with barely a qualification to their name?!
 
Chunkylad said:
Do those convicted lose their pension pots too? Would be good if the money accrued in the pot was taken and redistributed to victim charities or even given back to the police service to fund ‘internal affairs’. (This reducing further incidents in the future)
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They can lose 65% of their pension if the wrong was connected to the job. However this only happens if it it pursued by the Police & Crime Commissioner. How often this happens, I don't know. The reason they don't lose it all is that the Police pay 11% of their wage towards the pension so some of the pot is in theory their own money.
 
Don’t forget when they took photos of two dead coloured girls in London and shared images on WhatsApp. They are a disgrace not to be trusted. They took a knee to BLM because they were scared yet beat the crap out of the peaceful anti lockdown protesters.
 
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What what's the scandal with Stanley parr mex. I was at junior school with his son.
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There were various things, from using police vehicles for personal use, to being too close to and doing favours for local businessmen.

But the worst was when the daughter of property developer Bill Harrison killed two women as they were walking home along Preston New Road late at night. Harrison had links to senior members of the Tory Party and would have Mrs T to visit during the conference season.

Parr had the charges downgraded and the daughter was then acquitted on a technicality. Harrison also kept the court proceedings out of the press which surprised the family members of the two dead girls.

To give you a flavour of what he was like - there’s a poster on here whose father used to work on the Gazette. He was travelling with Parr in a police vehicle one day and the driver was ignoring red traffic lights. When the journalist questioned whether this was wise Parr simply replied “Well who is going to stop me?”

Parr was finally dobbed in by a police sergeant.
 
Malced said:
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.

I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.

Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.

Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-

  1. Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
  2. Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
  3. Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
  4. Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
  5. They’ve become far too politicised
  6. They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
  7. They are far too keen to issue petty fines
  8. They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
  9. Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
  10. They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with contempt. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.

Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.

There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.

I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
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This is why I talk about society getting the police we deserve. Society itself has become more aggressive, less tolerant in some ways and certainly more cynical. Police officers come from that same society and in their jobs they certainly see the roughest end of it. It must be very hard to maintain a professional and balanced view of things in those circumstances but that is what they must do.

As regards your list:

1. Fully agree and needs to be reversed.
2. Agree but the thin blue line is very stretched.
3. Again, resources. But yes, some refocus needed.
4. If true it's a reflection on the leadership.
5. I need convincing about that. It shouldn't affect the rank & file officers.
6. Agree but look to the Home Office for the drive behind that.
7. Don't know.
8. Again, I don't know.
9. Sorry but I'll need to pay more attention. I've not seen this.
10. That's about leadership.
 
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