todayistheday
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Many will be worried, hope they take pensions off them too, dirty old men. Remainder removed.
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They had a bet on big Mick.Why?
There was errors made, but were Police involved with sexual grooming or sexual offences like you are inferring?Charlene downs, paige chivers.
As I said, Why? Lancs Police certainly aint the Met.As said in OP, many will be worried. Throughout the Police force.
Chief Constable Stanley Parr?As I said, Why? Lancs Police certainly aint the Met.
Where's your evidence to back up your OP?
I wasn't aware that misdemeanour was relating to grooming or sexual offence, correct me if I'm wrong?Chief Constable Stanley Parr?
I was talking about corruption generally rather than specific offences.I wasn't aware that misdemeanour was relating to grooming or sexual offence, correct me if I'm wrong?
Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.I was talking about corruption generally rather than specific offences.
Parr was the head of the force. No one higher.
And it wasn’t a misdemeanour that did for him. Parr was bounced because he tried to cover up the deaths of two young women on Preston New Road. Caused by a family member of a politically connected heavyweight.
It was whitewashed. But very serious for all that.
To be fair Parr was brought down by a police officer. A sergeant I think and a whistleblower before there was such a thing.Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.
My previous comment was mainly directed at 'todayistoday' as his post generalised that Lancs Police officers should be worried re grooming etc without substantiating his allegation.
Mex, the name rings a bell but can you enlighten me who Geoff Mounsey is/was. Senior Officer?To be fair Parr was brought down by a police officer. A sergeant I think and a whistleblower before there was such a thing.
I was always a bit sad that Geoff Mounsey wasn’t the one to dob him in. Maybe he did his bit in the background?
My mistake. It was Joe not Geoff.Mex, the name rings a bell but can you enlighten me who Geoff Mounsey is/was. Senior Officer?
In general bendit. I have no gripe with Police, just the very small % who ruin it for most. The CPS and legal profession will no doubt need to be looked into. So many corrupt solicitors over the years in Blackpool, recent b&f health authority incident, the guy from the 80's at BFC coaching, has everyone else been checked. Will take a long time to sort through.Point taken, Parr was my CC when I joined.
My previous comment was mainly directed at 'todayistoday' as his post generalised that Lancs Police officers should be worried re grooming etc without substantiating his allegation.
Sounds like my last workplace. Hope you feel better now. The stress can really get to you.165,000 police officers in the UK plus PCSO's & Support staff. There is no surprise that there are some bad apples, it's like many jobs, it is open for wrong un's to get into, it gives them access to women, children, money, drugs, organised crime. The Met are by far the worst and have been since it was formed, there is obviously similar in all forces and it makes me sick to see it, it should never happen.
I don't think I am like Bendit, I hated the Police long before I left, it scarred me mentally for life and if I had my time again I wouldn't go near it for all the money in the world. It's a shit job and I would try and talk anyone thinking of joining. There were sex pests, bullies, misogynists, thieves, paedophiles, drug users, homophobes, racists, and then you had to deal with the criminals who weren't police officers. I have nightmares 3 or 4 times a week about it and have for years. I hope they all get what they deserve.
Don’t get me wrong herts, I have deep reservations like you. There were some truly bad officers and some Supervision was appalling. Still have a soft spot for the job as I ended up doing a civvy job with them and my youngest has been in the job for 22 years and just got his LSM.165,000 police officers in the UK plus PCSO's & Support staff. There is no surprise that there are some bad apples, it's like many jobs, it is open for wrong un's to get into, it gives them access to women, children, money, drugs, organised crime. The Met are by far the worst and have been since it was formed, there is obviously similar in all forces and it makes me sick to see it, it should never happen.
I don't think I am like Bendit, I hated the Police long before I left, it scarred me mentally for life and if I had my time again I wouldn't go near it for all the money in the world. It's a shit job and I would try and talk anyone thinking of joining. There were sex pests, bullies, misogynists, thieves, paedophiles, drug users, homophobes, racists, and then you had to deal with the criminals who weren't police officers. I have nightmares 3 or 4 times a week about it and have for years. I hope they all get what they deserve.
Good bobbies are on a hiding to nothing especially on this Forum
Bend it, I've read your posts about the police and I know that the current issues are with the Met specifically but I would ask you a more generic question. Does the British Public get the police force it deserves?Don’t get me wrong herts, I have deep reservations like you. There were some truly bad officers and some Supervision was appalling. Still have a soft spot for the job as I ended up doing a civvy job with them and my youngest has been in the job for 22 years and just got his LSM.
I look at the ‘Service’ now and cringe. No discipline, scruffy, no leadership etc etc.
Good bobbies are on a hiding to nothing especially on this Forum
No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.Bend it, I've read your posts about the police and I know that the current issues are with the Met specifically but I would ask you a more generic question. Does the British Public get the police force it deserves?
Thanks for your reply. What I was actually getting at, (cynically), was, is the British Public, from whom the police service is drawn, so ill-educated, self-obsessed and indifferent to public service as to make policing fail in its primary duties. Apologies if I'm being very heavy on this.No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.
Now a shift is lucky to get 5 on a shift, total, with an increased workload.
Reading about the scum that have infiltrated the Police Service is truly disheartening, especially when the majority really try their best under conditions that Joe Public really haven't a Scooby about.
Anybody who criticises them should really accompany them for a week, and I guarantee they would change their opinion and be amazed what they have to do during a tour of duty.
Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.Thanks for your reply. What I was actually getting at, (cynically), was, is the British Public, from whom the police service is drawn, so ill-educated, self-obsessed and indifferent to public service as to make policing fail in its primary duties. Apologies if I'm being very heavy on this.
I can understand what you say. Career police officers with degrees are essential but so are non-career officers who want to be out serving the public.Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.
Again referring to my tenure, we had to train at a Police Training Centre for at least 10 weeks. Years later they shut down and training was done in situ at Division.
There was also a reliance on 'educated' applicants with degrees rather than good candidates with life experience.
They have been infiltrating the police since day one, needs regular checks. Will be a tough ask when officers can command big money for information.No it doesn't '66', and it hasn't for quite a long time. When I was in the job we used to get at least 8-10 bobbies on a shift, with several CID and traffic officers. This was for a town (Chesterfield) with a population of approx 70K, albeit incredibly busy due to being in a mining environment.
Now a shift is lucky to get 5 on a shift, total, with an increased workload.
Reading about the scum that have infiltrated the Police Service is truly disheartening, especially when the majority really try their best under conditions that Joe Public really haven't a Scooby about.
Anybody who criticises them should really accompany them for a week, and I guarantee they would change their opinion and be amazed what they have to do during a tour of duty.
I totally agree few have any life experience and it shows. Recruitment is so important in any business. I despair at some our recruitment decisions where I work. Good candidates that are smart and willing get overlooked for self entitled less interested types. Back in the day Police we’re automatically respected by the majority of the community.Not really, I just think the recruitment process has failed miserably and training is non-existent.
Again referring to my tenure, we had to train at a Police Training Centre for at least 10 weeks. Years later they shut down and training was done in situ at Division.
There was also a reliance on 'educated' applicants with degrees rather than good candidates with life experience.
Agree with that.Police officers start off as normal people. Some good people some bad people so there’ll always be some bad apples but it will be highlighted more than in the general public..
On the subject of police misconduct, I have wondered if they get indoctrinated into acting a certain way after a period in the force. There surely must be an ‘us against them’ mentality and they have power over the general public, perhaps some lines can get blurred. Obviously not in relation to the sexual crimes but where ‘reasonable force’ is or is not required.
There’s clearly a lack of funding (with the rest of the public sector) which makes these people’s lives more difficult so it seems unfair to blame individuals on systemic issues like how many bobbies are on the beat etc.
I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.
I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.
Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.
Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with disdain. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.
- Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
- Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
- Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
- Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
- They’ve become far too politicised
- They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
- They are far too keen to issue petty fines
- They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
- Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
- They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.
There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.
I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.
Well at least he had A levels.Morse didn’t get a degree. He dropped out of uni and joined the army
That was 1977. Just shy of 50 years ago.Chief Constable Stanley Parr?
They can lose 65% of their pension if the wrong was connected to the job. However this only happens if it it pursued by the Police & Crime Commissioner. How often this happens, I don't know. The reason they don't lose it all is that the Police pay 11% of their wage towards the pension so some of the pot is in theory their own money.Do those convicted lose their pension pots too? Would be good if the money accrued in the pot was taken and redistributed to victim charities or even given back to the police service to fund ‘internal affairs’. (This reducing further incidents in the future)
What what's the scandal with Stanley parr mex. I was at junior school with his son.Chief Constable Stanley Parr?
Police driver never mentioned it...Rishi Sunak has been fined for not wearing a seatbelt. Rightly so but how did the police find out about it? Social media. How about getting of your fat arses and do some proper policing? Wankers
There were various things, from using police vehicles for personal use, to being too close to and doing favours for local businessmen.What what's the scandal with Stanley parr mex. I was at junior school with his son.
This is why I talk about society getting the police we deserve. Society itself has become more aggressive, less tolerant in some ways and certainly more cynical. Police officers come from that same society and in their jobs they certainly see the roughest end of it. It must be very hard to maintain a professional and balanced view of things in those circumstances but that is what they must do.I used to respect the police. But over the years that respect has whittled away. Now I view them with disdain as an organisation.
I’ve got so many issues with what they’ve morphed into.
Major police forces are incompetent beyond belief, and rotten to the core. The Met, West Yorkshire and Manchester are three notable examples.
Off the top of my head, here are some of my main issues with the police:-
I’m sure there’s lots of good police officers. But too many of them are easily led and corrupted. They join the force with good intentions but are indoctrinated into their bullying, rude, unprofessional, and sometimes criminal, ways. They think they’re above the law. They treat the public with contempt. Some of them are all too ready to be violent.
- Police stations closed, and replaced with larger hubs away from communities.
- Hardly ever see police on the beat so they’ve lost touch with the people they’re meant to be serving
- Reluctance to deal with traditional crimes such as burglaries
- Too much focus on manipulating targets eg logging easy ‘crimes’ (on the spot fines) and clearing them straight away
- They’ve become far too politicised
- They have been complicit in preventing folk from expressing their right to peaceful demonstration
- They are far too keen to issue petty fines
- They waste vital resources trying to be the thought police and the moderators of social media
- Too many of them are scruffy , obese, and look like they need a good bath and a makeover
- They are unprofessional and act like fools at events and are not impartial
Too many of them are allowed to get away with misconduct, time and time and time again.
There’s some of the most disgusting people in society walking around in a police uniform. Or should I say driving around. Incredibly there’s countless police with criminal records.
I don’t know how we got here. But overall they’re a complete and shameful disgrace. They bear no recognition to what they used to be. We deserve much much better. I feel for the good police officers. They’ll either be corrupted or they will run a mile and leave the force.