Morgan Rogers and Fiorini available again?

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LA1 Seasider

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Man City mate of mine knows some staff within the club. He’s been asking about what’s going on with some players and has been told City are having a clear out of some youngsters as they’ve not made the step up from development football (PL2). Rogers and Fiorini must surely be on that list as neither set the world alight in the Championship with us. Can’t imagine either will have a huge amount of interest from other Championship clubs either. Would love to sign both personally, whether it’s loan or permanent as you just know Critchley will actually improve them
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Man City mate of mine knows some staff within the club. He’s been asking about what’s going on with some players and has been told City are having a clear out of some youngsters as they’ve not made the step up from development football (PL2). Rogers and Fiorini must surely be on that list as neither set the world alight in the Championship with us. Can’t imagine either will have a huge amount of interest from other Championship clubs either. Would love to sign both personally, whether it’s loan or permanent as you just know Critchley will actually improve them
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Both under contract and on better wages than L1, would allow, but would love both back
 
Rogers got another year left on his deal and on decent money.
Fiorini three years left so can't see either of them coming to Lge 1 unless on loan.
 
I'd say playing Championship football by the time you're 21 is making the step up from development/PL2, they're going to cut the ones who haven't been able to make that step.
 
I’d be amazed if no Championship club gives them a season?

Would they not be valuable to teams even like the Nobbers? Loans are always a risk - can they cut it, handle the pressure etc?

Both have played and performed well in the Championship and coped with the pressure of relegation. So the risk is dramatically reduced against another academy kid who hasn’t yet been out on loan.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I'd say playing Championship football by the time you're 21 is making the step up from development/PL2, they're going to cut the ones who haven't been able to make that step.
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Well… for most PL teams yeah it probably is ok. But for Man City you’ve got to assume they’ve got higher expectations.
Rogers and Fiorini were bit part players in a relegated Championship team. Rogers didn’t get much football the season before with a successful Championship team and Fiorini was playing mid table League 1 football at that time too. Rogers and Fiorini surely aren’t going to break into that first team - nor are a lot of those players. Either they loan them out across the City group for the remainder of their contracts or they move them on - for both club and players sake. When Phil Foden has nearly 200 career appearances, Haaland is the best forward on earth and rivals have younger players such as Bellingham I think maybe City want a step up in gear than what a big chunk of their academy and PL2 squad offers.
 
AngelBFC said:
I thought Rogers and fiorini did well for us

They will have been noticed
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My hope is Rogers. He was a long term Critchley target and with a bit of luck enjoyed his time at the seaside. Some choice words from any of the players that are believers in Critchball could hopefully sway him to give Critchley chance to revive his career in the way he did for Bowler
 
Insider said:
They are firmly in the category of player we should be signing.
It's all about the money.
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If both are on longer deals I could see City topping their wages up as a loyalty type bonus for the remainder of the contract, or an arrangement of suitable acceptance.

I wouldn't say wages will necessarily be the problem.

Seriously, if we do want them, and which idiot wouldn't, I'd get in early and chew away at the deal.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Controversial Opinion. I also think Corbineau would be excellent under Critchley and could absolutely follow in Bowlers steps. Linked to Oxford already.
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Have to disagree about Corbeanu. Such a selfish player and a headless chicken to boot. There were moments but he wanted to be the luxury player. The problem was he isn't good enough to be it.
 
tangysider said:
He had some Championship defenders on toast. Needed to have a better awareness of when to pass but more than OK.
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He did very very occasionally, the rest of the time he was a liability who refused to do the other side of the game. Lost count of the amount of times Yates or Madine was bollocking him for not doing what he shoukd and he just shrugged.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Well… for most PL teams yeah it probably is ok. But for Man City you’ve got to assume they’ve got higher expectations.
Rogers and Fiorini were bit part players in a relegated Championship team. Rogers didn’t get much football the season before with a successful Championship team and Fiorini was playing mid table League 1 football at that time too. Rogers and Fiorini surely aren’t going to break into that first team - nor are a lot of those players. Either they loan them out across the City group for the remainder of their contracts or they move them on - for both club and players sake. When Phil Foden has nearly 200 career appearances, Haaland is the best forward on earth and rivals have younger players such as Bellingham I think maybe City want a step up in gear than what a big chunk of their academy and PL2 squad offers.
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City will behave like any other academy, and even if the players will never feature in the first team, they'll want to recoup as much of their investment in the player as possible.

They will have benchmarks, they will expect anyone on a professional contract to be playing minimum L1, more likely Championship, by the time they're 21, there will be some flexibility for injuries, but essentially anyone who can't do that isn't worth any further investment and will be cut.

The next big decision point will be at 23, those that haven't made it into the first team will be allowed to leave, the better ones will be offered contracts sufficient to entitle the club to compensation, but the most likely outcome is those will go on a free, but with a percentage of future transfer fees payable to City.

At least that's how I'd structure it, and if I can work it out, I'm pretty sure their £,£££,£££ staff can work it out as well.
 
Keigan Parker’s fake tan said:
Fiorini is realistic as he spent most of the season injured so probably won’t have much championship interest. Rogers is unlikely but would be the kind of signing we need to take us back up
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Fiorini is under contract for the next 3 years, and even if he wasn't, as a 21 y/o with Championship experience, he'd be a red-hot property at that level.
 
Lost Seasider said:
City will behave like any other academy, and even if the players will never feature in the first team, they'll want to recoup as much of their investment in the player as possible.

They will have benchmarks, they will expect anyone on a professional contract to be playing minimum L1, more likely Championship, by the time they're 21, there will be some flexibility for injuries, but essentially anyone who can't do that isn't worth any further investment and will be cut.

The next big decision point will be at 23, those that haven't made it into the first team will be allowed to leave, the better ones will be offered contracts sufficient to entitle the club to compensation, but the most likely outcome is those will go on a free, but with a percentage of future transfer fees payable to City.

At least that's how I'd structure it, and if I can work it out, I'm pretty sure their £,£££,£££ staff can work it out as well.
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Think City paid good money to prise Rogers from Villa as well.
Having said all that sqeezing a couple of hundred thousands from an academy player transfer is a drop in the ocean for City, and I agree they will just probably insist on big sell on percentage
 
Critchknows said:
He did very very occasionally, the rest of the time he was a liability who refused to do the other side of the game. Lost count of the amount of times Yates or Madine was bollocking him for not doing what he shoukd and he just shrugged.
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That's my impression too. Critch is all about the structure. He lost patience himself with Bowler several times and Bowler was a better player than the shopping trolley.

I did quite like the randomness of Theo. I could see a world where he'd have an impact but I'm not sure he's a Critch player.
 
I genuinely didn’t get the Morgan Rogers hype. I think at L1 level he’s impressive enough but not in the Championship. Fiorini is also top end L1 but very inconsistent. I’d take them both on loan.
What we desperately need is a proven goal scorer and two imposing centre backs
 
BlackpoolFC said:
I genuinely didn’t get the Morgan Rogers hype. I think at L1 level he’s impressive enough but not in the Championship. Fiorini is also top end L1 but very inconsistent. I’d take them both on loan.
What we desperately need is a proven goal scorer and two imposing centre backs
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Have to disagree, I thought Rogers was excellent just missing the finishing touch and fiorini looked like our best midfielder when fit. I’m more worried about what we’ve got on the wing than anywhere else
 
Keigan Parker’s fake tan said:
Have to disagree, I thought Rogers was excellent just missing the finishing touch and fiorini looked like our best midfielder when fit. I’m more worried about what we’ve got on the wing than anywhere else
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Totally agree. Critchball is about compressing the middle of the pitch and flashes of brilliance off the flanks - it was in League 1 (Kaikai, Embleton, CJ early in the season) and it certainly was in the Championship (Bowler and Keshi)

He's almost never played anyone creative in the middle. We HAVE to have quality wide unless he's got some new approach we haven't seen.

We do need other players, but I agree, the absolute key as far as quality goes is wide as we have Dale/CJ and Apter and that's it. CJ isn't good enough to provide the magic week in week out. Dale is patchy. He might be better than we think but he's not a kid and he was 'ok' at Pompey but not 'amazing' and Apter is but a hope. He might be grand, but no one really knows. I'd also wonder if anyone of them are good enough to work well with a quality overlapping full back (Lyons) in the way Bowler and Gabriel worked well together. Bowler is shit at tackling and such, but he was canny enough to work with a full back.

Even if he goes all out for a 4231 with Carey as the advanced midfielder in the middle (I think he might, he signed Carey for a reason and it wasn't to do what he did last year, ratting about in midfield), he still needs two quality wide men to make it work.

Critchball's plan b is twatting it at a big lad and I think we'd rather see plan A and we don't have Gaz anymore either. Width is vital.
 
tangysider said:
Think City paid good money to prise Rogers from Villa as well.
Having said all that sqeezing a couple of hundred thousands from an academy player transfer is a drop in the ocean for City, and I agree they will just probably insist on big sell on percentage
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It was West Brom but yes, total package was lined up to be £4mn
 
Also think Rogers was perhaps ill served by the fact he played as a lone striker more often than not, which isn't actually his role and that Mick using him as a target man to hold up the ball bordered on cruelty. I thought he did ok and I've have liked to see him off another striker as a wide forward more often playing the Dobbie style game as I think he'd have found some form there and I don't think we ever got to see him in form.

Imagine signing for Appleton who you know and like and then a week later Mick walks in and everything is the opposite.
 
td53 said:
Totally agree. Critchball is about compressing the middle of the pitch and flashes of brilliance off the flanks - it was in League 1 (Kaikai, Embleton, CJ early in the season) and it certainly was in the Championship (Bowler and Keshi)

He's almost never played anyone creative in the middle. We HAVE to have quality wide unless he's got some new approach we haven't seen.

We do need other players, but I agree, the absolute key as far as quality goes is wide as we have Dale/CJ and Apter and that's it. CJ isn't good enough to provide the magic week in week out. Dale is patchy. He might be better than we think but he's not a kid and he was 'ok' at Pompey but not 'amazing' and Apter is but a hope. He might be grand, but no one really knows. I'd also wonder if anyone of them are good enough to work well with a quality overlapping full back (Lyons) in the way Bowler and Gabriel worked well together. Bowler is shit at tackling and such, but he was canny enough to work with a full back.

Even if he goes all out for a 4231 with Carey as the advanced midfielder in the middle (I think he might, he signed Carey for a reason and it wasn't to do what he did last year, ratting about in midfield), he still needs two quality wide men to make it work.

Critchball's plan b is twatting it at a big lad and I think we'd rather see plan A and we don't have Gaz anymore either. Width is vital.
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I think the interesting question is whether Critch will repeat what he did before with us or look for a new approach. I think he may want to go different, as I think the previous approach evolved out of the 433 failure. He signed Carey and he's signed Morgan, so he seems to want to use an advanced central midfielder. It comes down to whether the quality is good enough to pursue the plan. He's got a lot of work to do to sort it all out.
 
td53 said:
Totally agree. Critchball is about compressing the middle of the pitch and flashes of brilliance off the flanks - it was in League 1 (Kaikai, Embleton, CJ early in the season) and it certainly was in the Championship (Bowler and Keshi)

He's almost never played anyone creative in the middle. We HAVE to have quality wide unless he's got some new approach we haven't seen.

We do need other players, but I agree, the absolute key as far as quality goes is wide as we have Dale/CJ and Apter and that's it. CJ isn't good enough to provide the magic week in week out. Dale is patchy. He might be better than we think but he's not a kid and he was 'ok' at Pompey but not 'amazing' and Apter is but a hope. He might be grand, but no one really knows. I'd also wonder if anyone of them are good enough to work well with a quality overlapping full back (Lyons) in the way Bowler and Gabriel worked well together. Bowler is shit at tackling and such, but he was canny enough to work with a full back.

Even if he goes all out for a 4231 with Carey as the advanced midfielder in the middle (I think he might, he signed Carey for a reason and it wasn't to do what he did last year, ratting about in midfield), he still needs two quality wide men to make it work.

Critchball's plan b is twatting it at a big lad and I think we'd rather see plan A and we don't have Gaz anymore either. Width is vital.
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Yes, probably been done before but Critchball as you call it is boring but effective, certainly in the Championship.

Hard to argue with an of that except when you when went all 4-2-3-1 on us because I don't understand that or I'm too lazy to try to understand it.

As you suggest - I think - Critchley will find a way.
 
voyeur said:
I think the interesting question is whether Critch will repeat what he did before with us or look for a new approach. I think he may want to go different, as I think the previous approach evolved out of the 433 failure. He signed Carey and he's signed Morgan, so he seems to want to use an advanced central midfielder. It comes down to whether the quality is good enough to pursue the plan. He's got a lot of work to do to sort it all out.
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Without going in to all the ins and outs - your not wrong to do so, I'm just a lazy cnut - Critch will get the best out of what's available to him.

Might take time but I think he will get there.
 
I wouldn’t have either of them back - neither of them dominated games ( compare them to Dewksbury Hall ) who was brilliant. I thought more often than not they looked bang average, and didn’t even stand out in what was a poor team. I feel we can get much better loaners. Let’s see where they end up - certainly won’t play at highest level.
 
BlackpoolFC said:
I genuinely didn’t get the Morgan Rogers hype. I think at L1 level he’s impressive enough but not in the Championship. Fiorini is also top end L1 but very inconsistent. I’d take them both on loan.
What we desperately need is a proven goal scorer and two imposing centre backs
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Good job you’re not choosing who we sign then. Fiorini was out most of the season injured, as was Rogers before he cam in January or we would have had him from the start.

Fiorini is easily Championship quality and would be a great signing if we could get him. Rogers is more realistic although I wasn’t convinced with him as a wide player but when he had to come in as the lone striker because of injuries he grew into that role and was excellent against Norwich, that’s where I’d play him.
 
JHNG said:
I wouldn’t have either of them back - neither of them dominated games ( compare them to Dewksbury Hall ) who was brilliant. I thought more often than not they looked bang average, and didn’t even stand out in what was a poor team. I feel we can get much better loaners. Let’s see where they end up - certainly won’t play at highest level.
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Dewsbury-Hall played in L1 (and I’m not sure he dominated that many games). Fiorini in patches certainly could take games by the scruff of the neck. We played our best football with him in the team.

Personally have an inkling that Fiorini will end up at Celtic, especially if Maresca goes there as manager.

Rogers will want a Championship club and City probably will too, but if it doesn’t happen we may have a chance
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Yes, probably been done before but Critchball as you call it is boring but effective, certainly in the Championship.

Hard to argue with an of that except when you when went all 4-2-3-1 on us because I don't understand that or I'm too lazy to try to understand it.

As you suggest - I think - Critchley will find a way.
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I hope so!

He'll certainly work at at it methodically and diligently and that's really all you can do isn't it?

As @voyeur says, I hope he's got some new tactical masterclasses up his sleeve too.
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Dewsbury-Hall played in L1 (and I’m not sure he dominated that many games). Fiorini in patches certainly could take games by the scruff of the neck. We played our best football with him in the team.

Personally have an inkling that Fiorini will end up at Celtic, especially if Maresca goes there as manager.

Rogers will want a Championship club and City probably will too, but if it doesn’t happen we may have a chance
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I haven't got a clue re Fiorini but are we not just waiting for Rodgers to be reappointed at Celtic and Maresca to get the Leicester job ?
 
well im sure the question has been asked. Rogers with an agreement to buy if promoted would be a good sell. all about the wonga init??
 
My feeling is that we've zero chance of Rogers and maybe a slim outside chance with Fiorini. If we are interested. We may not be given his injury issues last season, he only made about 15 appearances.
 
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