Do we know why?
We do seem to have quite a high turnover of off-field staff.
My personal view on the training ground……
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We do seem to have quite a high turnover of off-field staff.
AngelBFC
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Dont know but he does seem to move clubs fairly frequently.
Tangerine Tractor
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I think he was brought in as a stop-gap before Julian Winter came in, and once Julian has gotten his feet under the table, Jonty's role was significantly diminished. Don't know if he jumped or was pushed.
SeasideSid
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For me, the training ground is a myth. Until it’s built I don’t believe it. Expecting a statement from the club before the end of the month about plans, costs etc, to cover up another poor window.
AngelBFC
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Whilst it would be a shame if the training ground build didnt get going in the near future Squires Gate will do for now . A small fortune has been spent on it.
I'd rather funds be focused now on getting into the championship and out of this league. Crap refs low tv income and poor quality football in league 1.
I cant see millions of pounds being spent on a new training ground whilst the club makes losses year in year out. Get stabilised in the Championship and we might get one. Might be wrong and the plans are afoot who knows.
I'd rather funds be focused now on getting into the championship and out of this league. Crap refs low tv income and poor quality football in league 1.
I cant see millions of pounds being spent on a new training ground whilst the club makes losses year in year out. Get stabilised in the Championship and we might get one. Might be wrong and the plans are afoot who knows.
clappers
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You’re either investing for the long term I the team and infrastructure, or you are pumping money into the team short term to get us back to the Championship.
If you are doing neither then you are in reality just keeping things ticking over to a slightly improved standard off the field and a very similar standard to the pre-Belokon days on it.
The longer things go on in limbo the more questions should be asked. He says we are aiming for an instant championship return and developing infrastructure but is that really demonstrated by action rather than just words?
If you are doing neither then you are in reality just keeping things ticking over to a slightly improved standard off the field and a very similar standard to the pre-Belokon days on it.
The longer things go on in limbo the more questions should be asked. He says we are aiming for an instant championship return and developing infrastructure but is that really demonstrated by action rather than just words?
fcblackpool
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Personally I think any new TG should be designed to be next level rather than top PL standard. Also it should be expandable as and when. GRW meets that I think.
It probably would be very useful to have all levels training at the same base. The kids get encouraged by seeing the first teamers and the manager can pop over and look at the academy first hand and have the informal conversations.
All about money though. It's either there, wasn't or isn't anymore (inflation and costs).
It probably would be very useful to have all levels training at the same base. The kids get encouraged by seeing the first teamers and the manager can pop over and look at the academy first hand and have the informal conversations.
All about money though. It's either there, wasn't or isn't anymore (inflation and costs).
….. is also something I shared with Simon and the board at one of the structured dialogue meetings a year or so ago (maybe even longer as time seems to go so fast and I have been to a couple as well as the one regarding fan behaviour).
Anyway my view is that I would be happy for SS to ditch the main one on Garstang Road if we could manage with the community pitches as well as a private first team one next to the stadium similar to the one at Leeds behind their main stand.
The obvious benefit would be a massive reduction in capital expenditure by Simon out of his own pocket which could be redirected into the squad and ground but also at the ground there’s already facilities for feeding the players, a physiotherapist area, changing rooms, car parking, conference rooms etc etc that the players, coaches and manager could walk straight into.
The other benefit would be the proximity to the match day pitch which could be used for specialist training like set pieces.
Anyway, what will be will be and in the meantime there’s still Squires Gate and the sand dunes that were good enough for Stanley Matthews et al
He left his so called best mate with four games to go,now that doesn’t sound like a best mate to me.
Mosser you never replied to Lythamkev’s question,regaurding fan/s at a dialogue meeting.10:46 p.m. post 03/01/2024.….. is also something I shared with Simon and the board at one of the structured dialogue meetings a year or so ago (maybe even longer as time seems to go so fast and I have been to a couple as well as the one regarding fan behaviour).
Anyway my view is that I would be happy for SS to ditch the main one on Garstang Road if we could manage with the community pitches as well as a private first team one next to the stadium similar to the one at Leeds behind their main stand.
The obvious benefit would be a massive reduction in capital expenditure by Simon out of his own pocket which could be redirected into the squad and ground but also at the ground there’s already facilities for feeding the players, a physiotherapist area, changing rooms, car parking, conference rooms etc etc that the players, coaches and manager could walk straight into.
The other benefit would be the proximity to the match day pitch which could be used for specialist training like set pieces.
Anyway, what will be will be and in the meantime there’s still Squires Gate and the sand dunes that were good enough for Stanley Matthews et al
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tangomonkey
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That’s why the question was asked
tangomonkey
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I don’t know is my answer, never been involved in a project like this. Therefore I don’t know if four pitches will be enough or how much it would costWell I meant as inflation and the cost of living eases, relative prices should reduce. Also it could be in 5+ years it starts, as the east is now the priority and would be done first, we may be heading for recession and there are other factors leading to price reduction or relative price reduction. Some prices have fallen apparently and some pressures starting to ease.
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As for the pitches it was simply saying MAYBE they can build it in stages, having 4 pitches grouped together is probably better for a unified setup than the seperate ones. I'm sure we could cope with the 4, the main pitch and the indoor one. The cost for flattening the ground, sorting 2 pitches (+ the other little areas next to it), drainage etc, landscaping those big areas would still cost and therfore would be a reduction to the overall cost if it was left out.
You tell me how much it would cost just to create those 2 pitches plus areas around, to the level they want, then minus that off the total.
BlackpoolJord
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At the end of the day Sadler is just as full of shit as Karl and Owen were. I genuinely don't know who i would rather have in charge. We will never see either a new training ground or new east stand with this Charlatan running our club, false promises since the day he took over. But a lick of paint on the stadium has kept the masses happy.
FLATBACKFOR
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I cant understand why they dont build an indoor training facility next to the ground and also use it commercialy, this would
be a big attraction for the club and the area.
be a big attraction for the club and the area.
Bennys_was_a_mob
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This reminds me of the new stadium Oyscum bragged about at Wyndyke Farm, all we need now is a tiny balsa wood painted model showing us all how it will look when finished.
History repeating itself, we seem to never tire of BS as far as BFC goes.
It'll never happen
AngelBFC
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I take it you weren’t one of the fans who were sued
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Wizaard
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Thank you, Sam.
JJpool
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Are you for real? Just a lick of paint?
Have you seen our pitch? It was a cabbage patch before. You can't just ignore that, a lot of money spent there.
Squires gate is night and day different and everyone who saw it then and now says so. Decent investment there.
We actually sign players on proper contracts and extend them when needed.
Far more spent on the squad and a good budget for the league.
We don't approach the season like this...
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Stadium maintenance is actually done.
Big plans in place and things moving on the 2 big projects.
Can't wait until one of these projects is done and see what people move onto next.
Laughable to compare to the Oystons. Do you even remember how tinpot it was under them? Fans being sued...
But I suppose if you ignore all the things SS has done, he' hasn't done anything...
Leyland bfc
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Thick **
Charlie Gracie
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The ramblings of an idiot!
Martonmosser
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The fan behaviour one was before the council were due to inspect the North stand against Wigan this season
Martonmosser
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Check out post number 74 on keglers thread before posting rubbish like this again, you must have a shot memory
Burnnazzer
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A new training ground shows ambition and forward planning. That is important if we compete for a player. Fleetwood appear to be in a precarious position and I would love nothing more than Pool to have their training ground in Burn Naze.
fcblackpool
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He needs to bite the bullet. Can't spell JeigermisterCheck out post number 74 on keglers thread before posting rubbish like this again, you must have a shot memory
Martonmosser
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I would be very surprised if Poolfoot ever came up for sale the way it’s been funded
Tangerine Tractor
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Town Deal update on Revoe Sports Village and Blackpool FC East Stand
Update on key project to build new sports facilities
Shelagh Parkinson Published 4th Jan 2024, 15:55 GMTWork has yet to begin on building the Revoe Sports Village despite planning permission being approved nearly 12 months ago – but council documents say the scheme is progressing.
The project to build community sports facilities on land north of Blackpool Football Club’s Bloomfield Road stadium was approved unanimously by the council’s Planning Committee in January 2023.
Artist's impression of Revoe Sports Village
A further phase of the scheme, which has been allocated £6.5m from Blackpool’s £40m Town Deal, is to build a new East Stand at the stadium but plans have yet to be submitted to the council.
Around £17m of private and other investment is expected to be added to the total spending, with Blackpool FC owner Simon Sadler due to contribute to the cost of the new stand.
A report updating the council’s executive on the scheme says nearly £700,000 of Town Deal funding had been spent on the project by the end of September last year.
It adds Blackpool FC “are progressing options/designs for the East Stand development” and after making a request the council received a letter of commitment to the scheme from Simon Sadler last July.
Legal steps to be taken also include the signing of a memorandum of understanding and collaboration agreement between the council and the football club “to clarify the respective roles in taking forward the implementation of the project.”
The council report adds: “The overall project aim is to establish a sports village with leisure, education, and residential uses using £6.5m Town Deal while leveraging up to £17m of private and other investment.
“Bloomfield Road – the home of Blackpool Football Club, whilst an important asset for Blackpool, its East Stand is a temporary structure in need of significant investment.
“More widely, there is vacant brownfield land between the Foxhall residential development area and Bloomfield Road which has stood undeveloped for a number of years. ”
It goes on: “The deprivation around the Football Club is material and extensive. Therefore, there is a clear need to invest in the area and improve many of the shortcomings and challenges currently faced by the local community.”
Permission was granted by the Planning Committee for an enclosed full-size 11-a-side artificial grass pitch and an enclosed five-a-side artificial grass pitch, both with floodlighting, a single-storey changing pavilion and a storage building.
NewburyOne
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Both the development of Bloomfield Road and Training Ground are vital steps for the success of Blackpool FC. Both are also massive projects and aren't something that just suddenly happens. Hopefully planning is confirmed this year and then we can see some diggers on the ground. The sooner these idiots stop comparing SS with the Oystons, the better.
BWseasider
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Memory of a goldfish
Martonmosser
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For me personally I hope they’re tied in together at Bloomfield Road
NewburyOne
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I'm not against that Mosser, but it would have to provide all the facilities that a modern training ground requires. We have one chance to get this right, so I'm comfortable with plans taking a little longer.For me personally I hope they’re tied in together at Bloomfield Road
BillyRonsonNo7
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Where is the evidence of any financial investment? Maybe you are the idiot.
SMB_BFC
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I mean, someone's paid for all the surveys and reports at the proposed TG site. Not a clue what it costs per each type of survey but I'd assume not exactly cheap.
My understanding is it'll probably cost even more as traffic concerns hint at having to move the entrance. Probably means plan need redoing again, more surveys etc..
Temp upgrades made at SG in the meantime.
I'm not sure it's possible, if you mean having the TG incorporated into the East Stand project, especially now that it's part funded by central government funds (if I understand correctly)
Area is too busy, not enough room for indoor/outdoor facilities, if you think that indoor pitch is full sized.
You also drastically reduce the hours in which those pitches could be used by the community during the day.
basilrobbie3
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It's on the club's website, if you bother to look for it. £25.7m put in in the period prior to all this being discussed at a Structured Dialogue in March. It will be more by now.
It includes covering the absolute shed load of money we lost during COVID. Even a scaled down version of the planned spend on infrastructure projects will make it a level of investment that is unprecedented in the club's history.
Seainsea
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I don't see why an indoor Training facility has to have a full sized pitch! In fact I don't know why a full size grass pitch is needed as community facility? Who's going to use it, supervise and maintain it? The council have just opened a full size, floodlit artificial pitch a short distance away at Stanley Park.
If it is aimed at youth football then a more cost-effective solution is for smaller pitches for short sided games. The pampered kids of today will be off at the first sign of bad weather so I would argue that an indoor multi-purpose, multi-sport building is of more benefit to the community than a full size grass pitch.
Blackpool FC need an East Stand to complete the stadium if the club is to progress. That has to be the No.1 priority. The Council should be supporting this and if an indoor facility plus outdoor pitches can be incorporated to generate income and benefit the local community then everyone is a winner. Squires Gate is fit for purpose at this time, if the club progress as planned and become an established Championship side then the more ambitious full-scale complex at Garstang Road can be revisited.
SMB_BFC
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That's my point.
I've seen some suggesting the possibility of incorporating both the Revoe/East stand and training ground. It just wouldn't work.
East stand isn't exactly needed for progression, its needed to ensure the ground is up to scratch, and just has to be done. Arguably it may enable us to provide more away tickets for some extra income. IMO
The training ground is needed regardless of championship football, and if anything would help to become more established.
We want to attract quality signings and develop quality youth. Facilities are a big part of that. We all know Squires is more than likely the source of the hamstring curse, and is probably unusable at times with our weather. It's not a selling point of joining us.
Plus, the plans have a lovely pond, perfect for Koi Carp.
It's catch 22 I guess. We need updated facilities which requires Cash. Income is greater further up the pyramid, but to progress and stay there we need quality. To attract quality or develop quality we realistically need good facilities.
LA1 Seasider
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The community facility will be run by the BFC Community Trust - a full size pitch will allow them to host proper matches - that means adult 11 a side games - so potentially opening up the ability to host local teams (I believe the women and youth teams will likely benefit from playing actual matches here) It being a full size grass pitch will be incredibly easy to maintain… given there’s a team of experts with all the necessary equipment based approximately 50ft away who maintain the full size grass pitch inside the stadium. If anything having to maintain an additional artificial pitch would require additional materials and equipment the additional grass pitch would not.
Also it’s worth noting that the facility is for the community trust - which is not the same as for the community more generally. It won’t just be open to local kids and teens to come and go like Stanley Park etc - it will be run and managed for clubs, charities, schools and groups to use in an organised way - therefore it’s unlikely the weather makes it unpopular.
This will be a top notch facility above and beyond anything the council can afford and will be maintained by professionals.
This will be *the* gold standard facility for non-professional football in Blackpool. About as close to playing on Bloomfield Road as many will manage.
NewburyOne
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Have you been to Bloomfield Road recently? A look around the place shows you the maintenance work that has been undertaken. That green rectangle the players run about on is no longer brown! Pop down to Squires Gate and look at the new modular changing, gym and physio rooms. If you think there hasn't been investment, you sir are a buffoon!
groundsman
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Training ground development is about land ownership. Proper useful land. Do you think Fleetwood need 6 pitches? No but this increases the asset value of FTFC or whatever the parent company is called. Blackpool should develop the new site as much as thy can. Including community groups eases planning restrictions and gains access to £100,000s of maintenance grants. Many clubs do this. They offset profit over losses with more expenditure. It's simple business. But business isn't simple when people want to be involved for their own gain. Someone will want something for this to be a goer of a project
kuriousoranj
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At present the chances of getting back to the Prem or even holding onto Championship football are highly unlikely. With a proper training facility alongside an academy the club becomes significantly more attractive. Its a long term plan to give the club every opportunity to move forward in the future. Blackpool is the perfect place to attract young talent from all over Lancashire, Manchester and Liverpool... this really needs to happen.
The alternative is to risk £50million quid on new players over three years with no guarantee of either of the above or build sound facilities to attract better players long term. We could easily become the Brighton or Bournemouth of the north.
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