New Restrictions Just Announced

Can't help thinking a lot of the measures and advice are more about limiting panic and mainly about reassurance and avoiding political fallout.

The Genie's out of the bottle and has been for months - none of these measures are going to stuff it back in.

Preventing NHS meltdown seems sensible, anything else is just Protect and Survive with a different title.

Rising cases alone doesn't necessarily matter - covid admissions and deaths are more significant. If anything, surely as long as admissions/deaths continue on a downward trend rising cases is actually a good thing?
 
Well I’m just very excited about the New World Beating British Space Progamme.

When is the Moonshot going to happen? And can we nominate posters on avftt we’d like to send?
 
electric_eel said:
Can't help thinking a lot of the measures and advice are more about limiting panic and mainly about reassurance and avoiding political fallout.

The Genie's out of the bottle and has been for months - none of these measures are going to stuff it back in.

Preventing NHS meltdown seems sensible, anything else is just Protect and Survive with a different title.

Rising cases alone doesn't necessarily matter - covid admissions and deaths are more significant. If anything, surely as long as admissions/deaths continue on a downward trend rising cases is actually a good thing?
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Deaths and hospital admissions lag behind positive tests, so we can expect to see these rise in two or three weeks time.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well I’m just very excited about the New World Beating British Space Progamme.

When is the Moonshot going to happen? And can we nominate posters on avftt we’d like to send?
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Send BFCx3, but then again it would be extremely cruel on his fellow astronauts having to listen to him waffle on and on and on and on and on. A solo mission would be better for him with only HAL9000 for company.
 
But its not all doom, as this latest DOOM message only takes effect from next Monday, so get round yer mates houses & Pubs while its legal!!

Its soooo good of the nasty virus to give us a few days before it starts killing us again... ????

If its a problem, should have started from 6pm tonight.....

Also, didn't hear Boris, but what does that mean for Pubs/Shops & Restaurants? a Max of 6 inside each???
 
EPM46 said:
Great idea Mex. I’d go for Scaramanga, 20Togo and No1_club for starters!
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I would’ve said Tangerine Nige - just to prove him wrong about the previous moon landings.

But he’s obviously been abducted and eaten by Lizard People (see QAnon - The Untold Story).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I would’ve said Tangerine Nige - just to prove him wrong about the previous moon landings.

But he’s obviously been abducted and eaten by Lizard People (see QAnon - The Untold Story).
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Slightly better that mex.
 
Encouraging everyone to go back to work so that the economy of small businesses will be saved alongside restricting people to no more than 6 is a typically mixed message and one of the reasons a large number of people will ignore it.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Encouraging everyone to go back to work so that the economy of small businesses will be saved alongside restricting people to no more than 6 is a typically mixed message and one of the reasons a large number of people will ignore it.
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The big change now is that it is an enforceable law and offenders can be fined.
 
cruzzer said:
Send BFCx3, but then again it would be extremely cruel on his fellow astronauts having to listen to him waffle on and on and on and on and on. A solo mission would be better for him with only HAL9000 for company.
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I don't think his hessian garb would stand up to the rigours of space travel.
 
electric_eel said:
Can't help thinking a lot of the measures and advice are more about limiting panic and mainly about reassurance and avoiding political fallout.

The Genie's out of the bottle and has been for months - none of these measures are going to stuff it back in.

Preventing NHS meltdown seems sensible, anything else is just Protect and Survive with a different title.

Rising cases alone doesn't necessarily matter - covid admissions and deaths are more significant. If anything, surely as long as admissions/deaths continue on a downward trend rising cases is actually a good thing?
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People in hospital in England bottomed out a week ago at 425. Been climbing again since then and now back up to 539. A 25 % increase in 7 days.
 
cruzzer said:
The big change now is that it is an enforceable law and offenders can be fined.
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cruzzer said:
The big change now is that it is an enforceable law and offenders can be fined.
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Having been in London last weekend and noting how few people bothered to wear masks and were in large groups I don’t think fines will be a deterrent. Besides the Police cannot be everywhere and will surely target illegal raves and the like....
 
Interesting that collecting track and trace data in pubs is now going to be mandatory. After the first week of so it has seemed completely random how seriously pubs have taken this. The last two weeks it has varied from a temperature check and sanitise before you were allowed to enter, making sure you scanned the qr code correctly and detailed instructions before you sat down to absolutely no checks and just a bottle of sanitiser on the bar to use if you wanted to. It's not even been consistent in the same pub sometimes depending on who is on the meet and greet section so it will be interesting how they respond to this. One thing is certain though-the local lockdown in Bolton with pubs closed again makes no sense if people can just hop on a bus to surrounding towns.
Meanwhile 240 sixteen year olds mixing and not socially distancing as they go through the school day is apparently totally safe but 7 of the same students getting together on a Saturday night to have pizza and watch Netflix is now dangerous and illegal. Explain the sense in that because I can't.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Encouraging everyone to go back to work so that the economy of small businesses will be saved alongside restricting people to no more than 6 is a typically mixed message and one of the reasons a large number of people will ignore it.
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Keep safe, social distance and save Pret was the message
 
catinstalbans said:
Interesting that collecting track and trace data in pubs is now going to be mandatory. After the first week of so it has seemed completely random how seriously pubs have taken this. The last two weeks it has varied from a temperature check and sanitise before you were allowed to enter, making sure you scanned the qr code correctly and detailed instructions before you sat down to absolutely no checks and just a bottle of sanitiser on the bar to use if you wanted to. It's not even been consistent in the same pub sometimes depending on who is on the meet and greet section so it will be interesting how they respond to this. One thing is certain though-the local lockdown in Bolton with pubs closed again makes no sense if people can just hop on a bus to surrounding towns.
Meanwhile 240 sixteen year olds mixing and not socially distancing as they go through the school day is apparently totally safe but 7 of the same students getting together on a Saturday night to have pizza and watch Netflix is now dangerous and illegal. Explain the sense in that because I can't.
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Oh my god I nearly agree with all cat said above, am I a Marxist? I may need to burn my Stanley cons membership. Arghhh
 
The virus seems to have gone on holiday for the next four days or perhaps Boris is at a social gathering of 30
 
electric_eel said:
Rising cases alone doesn't necessarily matter - covid admissions and deaths are more significant. If anything, surely as long as admissions/deaths continue on a downward trend rising cases is actually a good thing?
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Wish that was true but sadly there are thousands of people who initially had mild symptoms and required no hospitalisation who are now continuing to suffer from Long Covid 6 months later experiencing regular relapses consisting of differing symptoms each time and not knowing when or if they will ever fully recover. People need to avoid getting and spreading this as best they can. It's a false assumption to assume, no hospital or death means people are fine afterwards.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Wish that was true but sadly there are thousands of people who initially had mild symptoms and required no hospitalisation who are now continuing to suffer from Long Covid 6 months later experiencing regular relapses consisting of differing symptoms each time and not knowing when or if they will ever fully recover. People need to avoid getting and spreading this as best they can. It's a false assumption to assume, no hospital or death means people are fine afterwards.
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If I had my way, this type of unsubstantiated emoting would be punishable.

Pure 100% bedwettery
 
rockontommy said:
If I had my way, this type of unsubstantiated emoting would be punishable.

Pure 100% bedwettery
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You might say that. But I have a family member who is still struggling with breathlessness and exhaustion and abnormal blood counts four and half months after suffering post-COVID pneumonia. The phenomenon BHOK is describing is all too true.
 
basilrobbie said:
You might say that. But I have a family member who is still struggling with breathlessness and exhaustion and abnormal blood counts four and half months after suffering post-COVID pneumonia. The phenomenon BHOK is describing is all too true.
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I'm sorry to hear that Robbie but it is still unsubstantiated. Very crude to ask but you initiated the conversation, did your family member meet the criteria set out by BHOK? - mild symptoms, no hospitalisation? It sounds absurd to me that someone can can 'recover' from a virus and then go on to suffer more serious after effects once recovered.
 
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rockontommy said:
I'm sorry to hear that Robbie but it is still unsubstantiated. Very crude to ask but you initiated the conversation, did your family member meet the criteria set out by BHOK? - mild symptoms, no hospitalisation? It sounds absurd to me that someone can can 'recover' from a virus and then go on to suffer more serious after effects once recovered.
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Yep.

1. COVID (not exactly mild, but not life threatening and no hospitalisation)
2. post-COVID pneumonia
3. prolonged illness and debilitation as described above. Still going on.

I understand your point about non-substantiation. But she isn't imagining it, and her employer is considering medically retiring her.
 
basilrobbie said:
Yep.

1. COVID (not exactly mild, but not life threatening and no hospitalisation)
2. post-COVID pneumonia
3. prolonged illness and debilitation as described above. Still going on.

I understand your point about non-substantiation. But she isn't imagining it, and her employer is considering medically retiring her.
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Again, I am sorry to hear that Robbie.

I still think BHOK's claims that there are thousands of people who had mild symptoms now suffering from a range of debilitating problems is unsubstantiated emoting.

I'd like for him to produce some evidence lest we continue this debate.
 
rockontommy said:
Is anyone out there still trying to comply with all these guidelines? It's pure theatre - some people never learn. Next week, compulsory gloves in bookmakers 😅
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it is all designed to trash christmas and new year. they have threatened a spike since crowds gathered on the beaches at the begining of may. what happened ---nothing.
"I GAVE YOU EYES, AND STILL YOU CANNOT SEE"
 
rockontommy said:
Again, I am sorry to hear that Robbie.

I still think BHOK's claims that there are thousands of people who had mild symptoms now suffering from a range of debilitating problems is unsubstantiated emoting.

I'd like for him to produce some evidence lest we continue this debate.
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I know 3 people in Lincolnshire (which has had a very low infection and death rate) and none of them were hospitalised but are continuing to suffer from chronic fatigue 4 or 5 months after their original infection. Two of those are in their 40s and one in their 30s and none have experienced these problems before and all were fit individuals. This fatigue has impacted on their ability to work normally, even from home. And there is limited support for such problems at a local level.
 
basilrobbie said:
Yep.

1. COVID (not exactly mild, but not life threatening and no hospitalisation)
2. post-COVID pneumonia
3. prolonged illness and debilitation as described above. Still going on.

I understand your point about non-substantiation. But she isn't imagining it, and her employer is considering medically retiring her.
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Robbie, sorry this is ongoing. I suffered early April, not hospitalised but too close for comfort. Ended up with mild pneumonia which knocked me for six.

Now I’m not as bad as you describe for your family member but still have after effects. I get short of breath quite easily and struggle to maintain concentration, which is odd.

This is real and all the doubters need to wake up and take notice as it could easily happen to them.
 
cruzzer said:
Robbie, sorry this is ongoing. I suffered early April, not hospitalised but too close for comfort. Ended up with mild pneumonia which knocked me for six.

Now I’m not as bad as you describe for your family member but still have after effects. I get short of breath quite easily and struggle to maintain concentration, which is odd.

This is real and all the doubters need to wake up and take notice as it could easily happen to them.
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There are plenty of Facebook groups with thousands of people coming together to discuss their issues. They feel like the forgotten people in all this. If you stayed at home and weren't hospitalised or died, you didn't appear in the statistics and the virus was too new and complex for their doctors to know what to do so they were only treated for the known parts of the illness like pneumonia. The range of symptoms they are experiencing is bewildering and has impacted massively on what they could do before. You can see fit, healthy, young people who used to be regulars in the gym now unable to get out of bed when another relapse comes along. The recovery is like wave after wave of set backs the moment any extra exertion is done. It's obvious now, 6 months down the line, there are many people out there who haven't even been diagnosed with Covid who are sharing the exact same cycle of relapses and weird symptoms all around the body that those who were confirmed with Covid are also still suffering.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
I would’ve said Tangerine Nige - just to prove him wrong about the previous moon landings.

But he’s obviously been abducted and eaten by Lizard People (see QAnon - The Untold Story).
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I suppose it might be hard to find the original thread on the old site now, but as I recall it there was a post with some evidence, and if I am not mistaken a confession of sorts to suggest that Tangerine Nige had actually been eaten by another poster 😉.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
There are plenty of Facebook groups with thousands of people coming together to discuss their issues. They feel like the forgotten people in all this. If you stayed at home and weren't hospitalised or died, you didn't appear in the statistics and the virus was too new and complex for their doctors to know what to do so they were only treated for the known parts of the illness like pneumonia. The range of symptoms they are experiencing is bewildering and has impacted massively on what they could do before. You can see fit, healthy, young people who used to be regulars in the gym now unable to get out of bed when another relapse comes along. The recovery is like wave after wave of set backs the moment any extra exertion is done. It's obvious now, 6 months down the line, there are many people out there who haven't even been diagnosed with Covid who are sharing the exact same cycle of relapses and weird symptoms all around the body that those who were confirmed with Covid are also still suffering.
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You'll find that some will still be claiming it's no worse than a bout of flu. Trumpspeak writ large.
 
glasshalffull said:
I suppose it might be hard to find the original thread on the old site now, but as I recall it there was a post with some evidence, and if I am not mistaken a confession of sorts to suggest that Tangerine Nige had actually been eaten by another poster 😉.
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Continuing the food theme, I think the Q Anon terminology is breadcrumbs and bakers.

Keeps a lot of incels and mgtows occupied and out of trouble I suppose.
 
“No Lockdown “ Sweden is off the Quarantine list. They have never had to wear masks and the Schools have never closed?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Presumably they are just giving people reasonable notice. There will be people who had made plans /arrangements based on existing rules, so you need a bit of grace.
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They shut Bolton down with immediate effect the other day they didn’t get any notice
 
Largest COVID-19 testing study shows cases are rising across England

The research, led by Imperial College London, estimated the reproduction number (R) at the end of August and beginning of September to be 1.7, and that 13 people per 10,000 were infected with the virus (an estimated 0.13% of the population).

Worrying, ONS I think has the figure at 1.2, I'm not sure which is more reliable, but either way it looks like R is on a steady upward tick.
 
I think the position is very variable across the country, depending on local behaviour. My own county has had a low infection rate, which hasn't showed evidence of increases. We have had only one death in the last 7 weeks and last week we had not one patient in our hospitals with Covid.
Our schools have gone back with sensible precautions and with little fuss and the vast majority of people observe social distancing, wearing of masks etc.
 
rockontommy said:
Again, I am sorry to hear that Robbie.

I still think BHOK's claims that there are thousands of people who had mild symptoms now suffering from a range of debilitating problems is unsubstantiated emoting.

I'd like for him to produce some evidence lest we continue this debate.
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You may be right ROT but you were one of the main folks on here saying everybody was overreacting early doors. You have obviously tied your view to that mast.
The fact is some people are suffering months after contracting Covid & NOBODY knows the long term implications of getting the disease.
How can they its a NEW disease!
Nobody also knows for certain where you stand regarding future immunity if you contract Covid.
There was certainly a report of one case where somebody caught it twice. Probably a different stain?
 
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