New Training Ground announcement?

The training ground and youth academy is a key part of SS vision for the club i.e. one that is at the centre of the community. It will probably be revenue generating, and it will help ensure we become a club that can survive at the highest possible level.
I personally view a waste of money as when clubs chuck millions around on average players, not building a facility that will create a sustainable foundation for our club. With input from a guy who has recently been coaching at a top six cat 1 academy, I think this will be a top notch facility that will help us attract much better youngsters than we've been used to.
£12m could be recouped with just a couple of incoming transfer fees from the academy if they've proven themselves in the championship for us. The real key imo is keeping hold of Critchley long term, as he'll be able to ensure this happens.
 
Fair points, but not sure it'll need to be 3 times or double poolfoot.
Fair points, but not sure it'll need to be 3 times or double poolfoot.
Not sure that price tag would equate to a facility twice or treble the size but perhaps a different set of facilities all together. It’s also worth noting that figure was given by Brett Gerrity during Covid so the figure could well have changed as could plans since then. I’ve no idea if that figure included the planned developments behind the South Stand either.

Poolfoot for example doesn’t have an indoor pitch at this point and they can cost anywhere between £1.5 to £10 million depending on whether it’s an airdome or a more permanent structure with integral facilities. Poolfoot was also built on land that was pretty cheap a decade or so ago so that’s also to be factored in. Poolfoot as a community facility also doesn’t have to serve a town the size of Blackpool therefore you would imagine a similar facility in the heart of Blackpool would include more community pitches, changing rooms etc and that adds to costs (but also allows for greater revenue). Poolfoot also doesn’t include a grandstand as quite a few clubs have to accommodate a couple of hundred spectators and scouts etc. Poolfoot again doesn’t include any accommodation, any hydrotherapy or pools, or luxuries such as MRI scanners and facilities to do ‘in house’ medicals. There’s no way to know what Blackpool’s planned facilities will include but there’s a whole array of stuff that may be included which Poolfoot doesn’t have. RB Leipzig utilise a giant screen TV alongside pitches so they can train and watch replays there and then. Leicester built a private golf course for players and club staff !
 
Not sure that price tag would equate to a facility twice or treble the size but perhaps a different set of facilities all together. It’s also worth noting that figure was given by Brett Gerrity during Covid so the figure could well have changed as could plans since then. I’ve no idea if that figure included the planned developments behind the South Stand either.

Poolfoot for example doesn’t have an indoor pitch at this point and they can cost anywhere between £1.5 to £10 million depending on whether it’s an airdome or a more permanent structure with integral facilities. Poolfoot was also built on land that was pretty cheap a decade or so ago so that’s also to be factored in. Poolfoot as a community facility also doesn’t have to serve a town the size of Blackpool therefore you would imagine a similar facility in the heart of Blackpool would include more community pitches, changing rooms etc and that adds to costs (but also allows for greater revenue). Poolfoot also doesn’t include a grandstand as quite a few clubs have to accommodate a couple of hundred spectators and scouts etc. Poolfoot again doesn’t include any accommodation, any hydrotherapy or pools, or luxuries such as MRI scanners and facilities to do ‘in house’ medicals. There’s no way to know what Blackpool’s planned facilities will include but there’s a whole array of stuff that may be included which Poolfoot doesn’t have. RB Leipzig utilise a giant screen TV alongside pitches so they can train and watch replays there and then. Leicester built a private golf course for players and club staff !

Sounds like it could be some facility.

Hopefully not long to wait.
 
A decent training complex is essential to a longer term, sustainable and ambitious development of the whole club. Facilities not just for training in all weathers, but medical, recovery, teaching, media, catering, community and options to hold academy fixtures and development there. I am sure that Sadler, the board and the management team will have done proper research and budget planning. I think we just need to wait a few weeks to find out and I am looking forward to an announcement
 
Sounds like it could be some facility.

Hopefully not
We need a training ground, not somewhere to launch the next exploratory mission to Mars from.😂
Not sure what you think a training ground should include and how much this sort of facility actually costs ! But whatever it is you’re vastly underestimating it.

Aberdeen recently opened a training complex which cost £12 million quid. That’s 3 pitches an indoor facility and a gym. Bristol Bears spent £11 million on 1 indoor pitch and 2 outdoor pitches and a gym.
Liverpool spent £65 million, Manchester United spent £50 million on just an upgrade. Leicester £100 million. Arsenal spent £10 million in 1999 and have spent a further £20 million plus on revamps since.

Blackpool will need at least 2 first team pitches, 2 academy pitches, Gym, Changing Rooms, Canteen, Scouting and Analysis facilities, Physio and Rehab facilities, classrooms, lecture hall, offices, machinery stores and possibly indoor facilities too. That’s on top of community facilities and any public facilities which in turn generate funds. That’s just the reality of the modern game.
 
Poolfoot Farm cost around £4-6 million. I was told Sadler had a budget of £12 million set aside for ours… so I imagine it’ll be pretty impressive !
Wonder how much Squires Gate will generate when sold?
Would housing be approved so close to the airfield
 
Wonder how much Squires Gate will generate when sold?
Would housing be approved so close to the airfield
Not very big site. Limited access. Airfield to one side, train line to another and boxed in by housing. It’s not worth anything to the airport unless they wanted direct access to the train station. But the airport is essentially mothballed as far as commercial passengers are concerned.
Maybe a couple of hundred grand for more housing ? Maybe the council can use it as part of a swap deal / sweetener for the land the club do actually want (whether that’s for the training ground or future stand developments )
 
Can you see it being a money maker where the rumoured location is? For most it’ll be a drive to get to. People will go initially to see what it’s like, if it’s open to the public, but I can’t see it being a go to place.
 
Not sure what you think a training ground should include and how much this sort of facility actually costs ! But whatever it is you’re vastly underestimating it.

Aberdeen recently opened a training complex which cost £12 million quid. That’s 3 pitches an indoor facility and a gym. Bristol Bears spent £11 million on 1 indoor pitch and 2 outdoor pitches and a gym.
Liverpool spent £65 million, Manchester United spent £50 million on just an upgrade. Leicester £100 million. Arsenal spent £10 million in 1999 and have spent a further £20 million plus on revamps since.

Blackpool will need at least 2 first team pitches, 2 academy pitches, Gym, Changing Rooms, Canteen, Scouting and Analysis facilities, Physio and Rehab facilities, classrooms, lecture hall, offices, machinery stores and possibly indoor facilities too. That’s on top of community facilities and any public facilities which in turn generate funds. That’s just the reality of the modern game.
If SS has the cash to splash then happy days, something like poolfoot would be great, even an upgrade. But I don't think he has tons to splash.

Maybe that costs 12 million now, not really up on my training ground prices, just seems a bit high.

Didn't he buy the club for 10 million?
 
If SS has the cash to splash then happy days, something like poolfoot would be great, even an upgrade. But I don't think he has tons to splash.

Maybe that costs 12 million now, not really up on my training ground prices, just seems a bit high.

Didn't he buy the club for 10 million?
The bloke above is right..

Leicester City actually spent £100M on a training ground.

Absolutely crackers 😂
 
The bloke above is right..

Leicester City actually spent £100M on a training ground.

Absolutely crackers 😂
But that was an absolute state of the art mega complex, 7 buildings, for a side playing regularly in the prem, in Europe and won the prem itself.

It has 14 pitches, a 9 hole golf course golf course, air conditioned artificial pitch.

Meanwhile, the training complex possesses a swimming pool with room for a restaurant and features such as customised gym.

Still seems steep.... you could buy 100 1 million pound houses or that training ground. Madness.

Then again just found this, apparently Fleetwood was 8 million....

 
Just seems mad he bought a league 1 club for 10 million, that's the stadium, Hotel, current training ground, all assets like players etc.

Now its more for some grass and and some showers 😃😉
 
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But that was an absolute state of the art mega complex, 7 buildings, for a side playing regularly in the prem, in Europe and won the prem itself.

It has 14 pitches, a 9 hole golf course golf course, air conditioned artificial pitch.

Meanwhile, the training complex possesses a swimming pool with room for a restaurant and features such as customised gym.

Still seems steep.... you could buy 100 1 million pound houses or that training ground. Madness.

Then again just found this, apparently Fleetwood was 8 million....

Poolfoots in a bloody awful place. I play football there & it's a mare getting in & out of that depressing burn naze area. Plus we don't want sloppy cod seconds 🤮
 
Poolfoots in a bloody awful place. I play football there & it's a mare getting in & out of that depressing burn naze area. Plus we don't want sloppy cod seconds 🤮
Not saying to get it.

Apparenrly Thornton train there etc, we want the surrounding Blackpool areas to be BFC not Fleetwood.

Not that there's much danger of that but at least once ours is built we'll have something for the area where kids can go and that promotes BFC.
 
Not saying to get it.

Apparenrly Thornton train there etc, we want the surrounding Blackpool areas to be BFC not Fleetwood.

Not that there's much danger of that but at least once ours is built we'll have something for the area where kids can go and that promotes BFC.
Spot on JJ. It's run amoke with poor kids forced to wear a cheap looking Arsenal kit against their will. How much better for their self esteem to be able to say "actually I really want to follow Blackpool dad" 🍊
 
Spot the pleb who doesn't know what a "modern training ground" entails bar a pitch and a porta cabin...
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'...Blackpool will need at least 2 first team pitches, 2 academy pitches, Gym, Changing Rooms, Canteen, Scouting and Analysis facilities, Physio and Rehab facilities, classrooms, lecture hall, offices, machinery stores and possibly indoor facilities too...'

...and a Fax machine!
 
Timely article in The Times on what twelve million squid gets you in a training facility. The indoor space is key, which seems to be what Pilleyfoot might be lacking. Of course we could just put an Oyston-style Portakabin next to a dog turd-strewn, overgrown pitch, which is what some people seem to think is acceptable. After all, how could Leicester City, Bristol Bears, Simon Sadler and Neil Critchley possibly know more than some rando on AVFTT?

Turmeric, giant bean bags and ‘love’ – inside Bristol Bears’ £12m training base​


Club’s enviable, world-class High Performance Centre underscores their desire to be considered among the leading teams in Europe, not simply the Premiership​

Sinckler, the England prop, works out in Bristol’s state-of-the-art gym. “The owner put no limitations on us when we were building that,” says Kevin Geary, the club’s head of strength and conditioning

Sinckler, the England prop, works out in Bristol’s state-of-the-art gym. “The owner put no limitations on us when we were building that,” says Kevin Geary, the club’s head of strength and conditioning
ROGAN THOMSON/JMP


Rugby clubs usually have a fairly standard set of requirements when they look for a new director of rugby: the CV of a hopeful candidate should include a proven leadership record, a clearly defined playing style and plenty of experience in recruiting high-quality players. What is not usually mentioned in the job spec is a flair for architecture and an eye for grand designs. Since arriving at Bristol Bears four years ago, however, Pat Lam has not only been building a squad capable of competing at the top of the Gallagher Premiership, he has been laying the foundations for the club’s long-term future by overseeing the development of their new High Performance Centre in Abbots Leigh, five miles west of the city centre.

Players such as Kyle Sinckler, Semi Radradra and Harry Randall now spend their working days at a sleek, futuristic, two-storey wood-panelled building, complete with adjoining indoor training barn and two outdoor pitches, nestling behind trees on a hill looking down towards the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Lam cannot claim credit for choosing the panelling or applying the paintwork, but he was passionately committed to ensuring the facility helped nurture the standards of professionalism he was trying to instil, the expansive style he wanted to play and the working environment — “a culture based on love” — that he was striving to create.


“It was all just land when I got here, the building hadn’t started,” Lam said. “I saw the plans, I came to the site and I arrived just in time to influence the plans. I was able to talk to the architects. Fair play to Chris [Booy, the chairman] and Steve [Lansdown, the owner] for giving me that opportunity.”
The Bears have been in their £12 million training ground for just over a year, having relocated from their makeshift base at Clifton Rugby Club, and the players and staff believe it is no coincidence that the team made such huge strides last season, finishing top of the Premiership table for the first time. This season has started with three defeats in their first four games, but the new base is designed to keep them towards the top of the English game in the longer term.
Lam, the director of rugby, left no detail unattended when designing the facility in Abbots Leigh

Lam, the director of rugby, left no detail unattended when designing the facility in Abbots Leigh
ROGAN THOMSON/JMP
Upgrading training facilities is on the agenda for a number of clubs. Wasps recently moved to a new facility at Henley-in-Arden, Gloucester are building a base next to Kingsholm and Sale Sharks moved next door from their previous quarters in Carrington to Manchester City’s former training ground. The recent investment into Saracens, meanwhile, came with the intention to build a new training hub. But a new standard has clearly been set by Bristol, who have been a steadily rising force in the Premiership since they were promoted in 2017-18, Lam’s first season, and are now seeking to entrench themselves among the country’s leading clubs.

The first thing that Lam sought to do after he cast eyes on the plans was to change the name. “It was originally down as the Bears’ Training Ground, but I asked Steve Lansdown if we could change it to High Performance Centre,” Lam said. “I’m constantly saying to the guys that this isn’t a normal rugby club, you have to earn the right to be here. We’re all judged on our performance. If I don’t do a good job, I’m gone, so I wanted to make sure we had the facilities to aid high performance. The old place worked fine, but at times we were running through mud, there were lumps and bumps everywhere and we couldn’t train. The two hybrid pitches we’ve got here now are world class, and identical to our home ground at Ashton Gate.
“The changing rooms were originally split into four parts, I said I wanted that to be one big one, like American sports, that’s the hub of the players’ connections. I pushed hard for the barn, too. At the old place, the take-up for extra skills sessions at 7.15am was great when it was sunny, not so great when it wasn’t. It’s much better now we’ve got the barn. The whole facility was geared towards the programme and how we run things, rather than just taking over a building and making it work.”
The squad take advantage of the indoor training barn

The squad take advantage of the indoor training barn


 
It was St Tom's and St Catherine's then joind up to become All Saints. Amalgamated again and was a mixture of All Saints and St Mary's kids from about 1983. They used both St Walburgas Rd and Garstang Rd sites. I left in 1986. Garstang Rd building was knocked down in the mid 90s.

If they build the training ground there every credit, but God help the players if they have to do cross country through all the dykes in the middle of winter like we had too 🤣
Went to All Saints 1977-82 it was the hail of stones and bricks as the cross country course passed Fylde Farm that was the issue. No-one had a sprint finish, just a sprint middle 🤕
 
If you want to be int he top two divisions for a very long period of time then you need to have facilities that are a cut above the teams in League One. An indoor facility when the weather is as changeable as it is on the Fylde coast is an absolute must IMO so a new training ground is an absolute must for me.
 
So according to the prices people expect for the facility people want, Simon sadler is much wealthier than some people thought?

Dropped 10 million on the club, investing lots doing up the stadium etc, keeping us going through covid losses, player fees?12 million for training ground, potential east plans.
 
So according to the prices people expect for the facility people want, Simon sadler is much wealthier than some people thought?

Dropped 10 million on the club, investing lots doing up the stadium etc, keeping us going through covid losses, player fees?12 million for training ground, potential east plans.
All this investment whist moving up the leagues..incredible!
 
So according to the prices people expect for the facility people want, Simon sadler is much wealthier than some people thought?

Dropped 10 million on the club, investing lots doing up the stadium etc, keeping us going through covid losses, player fees?12 million for training ground, potential east plans.
It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s got millions in the bank sitting idle but I would imagine given his line of work he has access to levels of credit mere mortals can only dream ! Investing say £12 million on an infrastructure project such as a TG and then say another £12 million (complete guess) on a new stand isn’t so daunting if you’re being backed by the local authorities to make that infrastructure as profitable as possible. Not to mention fairly sizeable grants from the FA, EFL, Premier League and Sports England and likely favourable borrowing from local government too.
It’s not like he’s building a fancy house but more like building a hotel. Theres a potential income stream attached and not just a hope the asset value eventually increases. If the business model is sound and the planning done correctly then the risk and ultimately cost isn’t as great as it appears.
 
Dirky we’re you in the year below me…I’m Dave Heard.
Didn't really get to know the year above unless mates had siblings. I was in the first intake of comprehensive education.... some will say that explains a lot :) Sister Betty was my form teacher, although she had other names. I was in same class as Norman Saxon (how to confuse a kid in history) who had an older brother I think.
 
If you want to be int he top two divisions for a very long period of time then you need to have facilities that are a cut above the teams in League One. An indoor facility when the weather is as changeable as it is on the Fylde coast is an absolute must IMO so a new training ground is an absolute must for me.
Lets hope they transfer the sand dunes as well .😁
 
Didn't really get to know the year above unless mates had siblings. I was in the first intake of comprehensive education.... some will say that explains a lot :) Sister Betty was my form teacher, although she had other names. I was in same class as Norman Saxon (how to confuse a kid in history) who had an older brother I think.
Yea his brother was Billy in my year….I joined St Toms and then we amalgamated with St Catherine’s in my second year…
 
Just wondering... there is all this discussion and it seems based on a rumour rather than fact? Is there any evidence as yet that it will cost £12M?

Also, whatever it costs, are there grants available?

Presumably it is also being built with the thought of there being facilities for the local community.

As for the location and it not being accessible. Wherever they end up will be a trek for some. However, this location is as good as any for access from all over the coast.
 
Didn't really get to know the year above unless mates had siblings. I was in the first intake of comprehensive education.... some will say that explains a lot :) Sister Betty was my form teacher, although she had other names. I was in same class as Norman Saxon (how to confuse a kid in history) who had an older brother I think.
WFT naming a kid Norman Saxon.
Guessing he had a Great Dane as well 😂
 
It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s got millions in the bank sitting idle but I would imagine given his line of work he has access to levels of credit mere mortals can only dream ! Investing say £12 million on an infrastructure project such as a TG and then say another £12 million (complete guess) on a new stand isn’t so daunting if you’re being backed by the local authorities to make that infrastructure as profitable as possible. Not to mention fairly sizeable grants from the FA, EFL, Premier League and Sports England and likely favourable borrowing from local government too.
It’s not like he’s building a fancy house but more like building a hotel. Theres a potential income stream attached and not just a hope the asset value eventually increases. If the business model is sound and the planning done correctly then the risk and ultimately cost isn’t as great as it appears.
So 10m for the club, 12m for the TG, 2m for covid losses, maybe some player acquisitions too were outside club revenue.

Say 25 million...

A new east, I know you said a guess but a new east in your guess costs more than he paid for an entire club, stadium, all assets on the books like players, current TG, hotel.

Could be 37 million needed for all this so far, yes maybe grants, joint ventures with the council etc but to me it suggest SS must have a fair bit of cash.

He knew when buying the club that it was in need of serious investment.

If you buy a club and know it'll need aprox at least another 20 odd million on top of what you paid for it, grants and loans or not, for me you wouldn't undertake that journey and spend your children's inheritance unless you had at least that again in wealth.

Just interesting to speculate how much he could be worth....
 
WFT naming a kid Norman Saxon.
Guessing he had a Great Dane as well 😂
He was a good mate at the time -

a funny story in our first year - he was messing about in class at the end of the day and the form teacher told him to go into the stock room to calm down. He didn't arrive at rugby practice after school, and at midnight the police arrived at my parents house and wanted to question me about his whereabouts. Next day it turned out he'd been forgotten about and locked in the stockroom by accident and was found by the police in the early hours. Lawyers would have had a field day now, but not in 1977 - he got a tin of quality street and an apology if I remember correctly.
 
Dirky, I was same year as you, at Baines. We had the Fylde Farm gauntlet as a regular feature too. Great days.
 
The training ground also needs to be a community centre with 7aside tournaments, other community events etc. The more people we can involve within the club the better IMO.
 
He was a good mate at the time -

a funny story in our first year - he was messing about in class at the end of the day and the form teacher told him to go into the stock room to calm down. He didn't arrive at rugby practice after school, and at midnight the police arrived at my parents house and wanted to question me about his whereabouts. Next day it turned out he'd been forgotten about and locked in the stockroom by accident and was found by the police in the early hours. Lawyers would have had a field day now, but not in 1977 - he got a tin of quality street and an apology if I remember correctly.
😂😂🤣 great story Dirky.
I was due to go to what was Tom's in '73.
Completely confessioned up at junior school & all kids in my street were COE so managed to talk my mum into letting me go to Hodgson.
My best mate was Vinnie Viking 😉
 
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