No movement when we have the ball

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KingZobo

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Has anyone else noticed that when we're in possession none of our players move or give an option to the player in possession? Not an Appy problem, same issue with Critch last year.

Would of liked to have seen Lavery start, more of a pest than Yates and has great off the ball movement.
 
KingZobo said:
Has anyone else noticed that when we're in possession none of our players move or give an option to the player in possession? Not an Appy problem, same issue with Critch last year.

Would of liked to have seen Lavery start, more of a pest than Yates and has great off the ball movement.
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Unfortunately Yates in my opinion isn't up to championship standard. He doesn't read the game well and make the right decisions. He runs around a lot and points but his main job is to score goals which he doesn't and he doesn't make the right runs. If ever was the day he was going to score it was today as we had a very attack minded midfield and two good wingers playing on each side. He probably touched the ball half a dozen times all game and one shot. I can't wait for Beesley to get fit as although unproven at this standard he has the attributes to play the way Appleton wants to and could be a pivotal player as none of the other strikers seem to fit the bill.
 
Sandgroanun said:
Unfortunately Yates in my opinion isn't up to championship standard. He doesn't read the game well and make the right decisions. He runs around a lot and points but his main job is to score goals which he doesn't and he doesn't make the right runs. If ever was the day he was going to score it was today as we had a very attack minded midfield and two good wingers playing on each side. He probably touched the ball half a dozen times all game and one shot. I can't wait for Beesley to get fit as although unproven at this standard he has the attributes to play the way Appleton wants to and could be a pivotal player as none of the other strikers seem to fit the bill.
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Completely agree.

I didn't want to wade in on Yates as he can't do a thing wrong on this fan forum and I wanted to keep on topic of off ball movement.

Yes Yates was brilliant in League one but he's never shown a glimpse of doing it at this level.

It's always "he gets no chances" but he doesn't run at the right times or create chances himself.

I don't blame Appy, we tried to sign 3 strikers over summer, he knows it's out weakness. Let's try get to Jan and get someone in (or utilise Beesley).
 
Sandgroanun said:
Unfortunately Yates in my opinion isn't up to championship standard. He doesn't read the game well and make the right decisions. He runs around a lot and points but his main job is to score goals which he doesn't and he doesn't make the right runs. If ever was the day he was going to score it was today as we had a very attack minded midfield and two good wingers playing on each side. He probably touched the ball half a dozen times all game and one shot. I can't wait for Beesley to get fit as although unproven at this standard he has the attributes to play the way Appleton wants to and could be a pivotal player as none of the other strikers seem to fit the bill.
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Didn’t touch button 2 press like. (Wot wrong wi me can’t be the beer surely)
 
I thought second half there was much more movement. Pass and move, one touch stuff. I thought we made them look average for large periods. We were getting on top,which is why they had to resort to cheating, slowing the game down.
 
Yates is far better technically than Lavery. And movement to create stuff is a greater asset than just having the ability to be a pest. That said as it stands we are a team that creates very little in terms of chances be that because of player movement off the ball or the inability of our midfield to pick a pass thru a defence.
 
I thought Jerry was absolutely immense today. His efforts and commitment will never be questioned but if we play like we did today and actually give him the opportunities to score he will be a fantastic asset
 
KingZobo said:
Has anyone else noticed that when we're in possession none of our players move or give an option to the player in possession? Not an Appy problem, same issue with Critch last year.

Would of liked to have seen Lavery start, more of a pest than Yates and has great off the ball movement.
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Its about players intelligence and the ability to find space.

At times Norwich in the 2nd half managed to find a player a few times in the middle with no one near them at all, which shouldn't happen. But the better players can find it easier, comes natural.
 
20togo said:
Yates is far better technically than Lavery. And movement to create stuff is a greater asset than just having the ability to be a pest. That said as it stands we are a team that creates very little in terms of chances be that because of player movement off the ball or the inability of our midfield to pick a pass thru a defence.
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I think Patino & Wright can pick a pass, sometimes Dougal too.

The issue is there wasn't intelligent runs infront of these players, there was a lot of times Patino & Wright had the ball and there was nobody in space in the final third to pass too.

Appleton wants to play 433 but we don't have a striker good enough to lead the line on their own. It's an awkward position we're in.

Hopefully Beesley can do the business.
 
KingZobo said:
I think Patino & Wright can pick a pass, sometimes Dougal too.

The issue is there wasn't intelligent runs infront of these players, there was a lot of times Patino & Wright had the ball and there was nobody in space in the final third to pass too.

Appleton wants to play 433 but we don't have a striker good enough to lead the line on their own. It's an awkward position we're in.

Hopefully Beesley can do the business.
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I hope the same for Beesley, however again we are putting to much hope and pressure onto a player who hasn't played in ages and only showed us a glimpse.

I hope and think he can be good, but we are expecting people to come in and perform wonders in a team thats not quite right yet, which makes it far more difficult.
 
I don't think it's that Yates isn't up to championship standard. I think he works well in a 4-4-2 with a strike partner, but not so well in a front three. Which is the way MA wants to go. But the fact is we got into some great wide positions today, and almost without exception the ball in either wasn't good enough or was blocked well by Norwich.
The number of games I've seen where Yates has made so many runs without the midfield even attempting to pick him out is staggering. I think we do have some midfielders now that might be able to find him, but we just need to click. A few more games will help, and I don't think there should be any panic about losing to a side that will likely go up automatically this season.
 
Yates as a lone striker just doesn’t work. We need a striker who can make things happen on their own. He is good player but it stands out a mile and we need better if we are playing this formation.
 
20togo said:
Yates is far better technically than Lavery. And movement to create stuff is a greater asset than just having the ability to be a pest. That said as it stands we are a team that creates very little in terms of chances be that because of player movement off the ball or the inability of our midfield to pick a pass thru a defence.
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That's my whole point. Unfortunately when the midfield were looking for the pass through, Yates was nowhere to be seen and in the wrong place. He just doesn't read the game well and hang on the shoulder of the centre half to make the run. If he was ever going to score it should of been today.
 
KingZobo said:
Has anyone else noticed that when we're in possession none of our players move or give an option to the player in possession? Not an Appy problem, same issue with Critch last year.

Would of liked to have seen Lavery start, more of a pest than Yates and has great off the ball movement.
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I've said for a long time, going back a few managers, that we aren't good at finding space. I don't know why, it seems to be a gift that the top players have and I'm not sure it's something you can coach.
Whilst in itself its not a big point but its never more evident that at throw ins.
 
JJpool said:
I hope the same for Beesley, however again we are putting to much hope and pressure onto a player who hasn't played in ages and only showed us a glimpse.

I hope and think he can be good, but we are expecting people to come in and perform wonders in a team thats not quite right yet, which makes it far more difficult.
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We haven't really got any other options. None of our currently fit strikers are up to the job.
 
20togo said:
Yates is far better technically than Lavery. And movement to create stuff is a greater asset than just having the ability to be a pest. That said as it stands we are a team that creates very little in terms of chances be that because of player movement off the ball or the inability of our midfield to pick a pass thru a defence.
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Both.
 
KingZobo said:
I think Patino & Wright can pick a pass, sometimes Dougal too.

The issue is there wasn't intelligent runs infront of these players, there was a lot of times Patino & Wright had the ball and there was nobody in space in the final third to pass too.

Appleton wants to play 433 but we don't have a striker good enough to lead the line on their own. It's an awkward position we're in.

Hopefully Beesley can do the business.
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Dougall couldn’t pick his noes.
 
BFC_53 said:
I don't think it's that Yates isn't up to championship standard. I think he works well in a 4-4-2 with a strike partner, but not so well in a front three. Which is the way MA wants to go. But the fact is we got into some great wide positions today, and almost without exception the ball in either wasn't good enough or was blocked well by Norwich.
The number of games I've seen where Yates has made so many runs without the midfield even attempting to pick him out is staggering. I think we do have some midfielders now that might be able to find him, but we just need to click. A few more games will help, and I don't think there should be any panic about losing to a side that will likely go up automatically this season.
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I agree about not panicking over one game, but it’s not one game. 4 points at home and a quarter of the season gone only points one way.
 
Said yesterday the players for Norwich like pukki do the basic things, simple passes, doesn’t bust a gut like Yates, but the main difference is the movement of the team
 
KingZobo said:
I think Patino & Wright can pick a pass, sometimes Dougal too.

The issue is there wasn't intelligent runs infront of these players, there was a lot of times Patino & Wright had the ball and there was nobody in space in the final third to pass too.

Appleton wants to play 433 but we don't have a striker good enough to lead the line on their own. It's an awkward position we're in.

Hopefully Beesley can do the business.
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I get that but I've been saying since Yates first joined us that he's not a lone striker in a front three. And it's all well and good talking about movement up front but when you are playing a front 3 which has two wide men sticking to the touchline then the only movement in and around the box can only come from the one player down the middle which has been Yates. That makes him much easier to mark irrespective of whether he's standing still or moving about with there being so many opposition players covering in and around there. Yates is far from a top Championship striker but we are far from a top Championship team. Generally our focus when attacking is all about getting the ball out to our wide men. I don't think it's that often that we play through the centre of midfield by our own pass and movement..
 
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