Nuttall

Very sad if true and explains a lot,but think it would be a good idea as touched on above to pull this thread mods,I think I speak for all pool fans at heart in wishing joe all the best.
 
I do wonder what planet some people live on. If you aren’t fit to play due to issues the manager should not pick him and expose him to such pressure and criticism. He should be off sick. The fans aren’t sat in the stands watching bull crap performances week in week out and their first instinct is to reach for a mental health wellbeing questionairre ffs.
 
SeasideTizz said:
Very sad if true and explains a lot,but think it would be a good idea as touched on above to pull this thread mods,I think I speak for all pool fans at heart in wishing joe all the best.
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This thread was started about the possibility of Nuttall being a viable understudy for Madine, I. E a powerful focul point to hold the ball up and bring others into play.
I and many others were unaware of Nuttall's off the pitch issues,and this should not be swept under the carpet, it is right and proper it should be discussed.
A fair few footballers have struggled in silence, and if it makes a difference to the amount of unwarranted abuse other players get, and people take a moment before launching attacks in social media, it has served a purpose
 
I hope that he can recover and play for us (or somebody else) again
I went to the game at Ipswich (A) last season and he played really well in that one, scoring our first goal. It's possible that under Critchley's guidence he could improve, he is still young enough.
I wish the boo boys would think about the effect that their actions can have on their targets. I doubt that repeatedly and aggressively telling somebody that they are crap at their job would ever improve their performence. These negative people in all likelihood make our team play worse.
 
remember when we signed mel holden he was terrible and got slated by the press and fans alike it turned out he was suffering from i think it was motor neurone disease some of the older fans on here will remember correct me if im wrong
 
Simonized said:
I just hope some of (even all of them)the people who have nailed this lad to a cross might think twice about crucifying people on here when knowing little or nothing about them.
Apart from they play for the club I support so they are fair game.🥴🤐
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Right so we can never question a players ability or criticise just incase he’s not mentally all there?
 
Sad news if true, I hope he can overcome whatever demons he is facing.

There was a lot of criticism of Nuttal, but of course there was - this a message board for fans of Blackpool FC, who discuss things to do with their football club. Ultimately the performances of a big money signing are going to be a big point of discussion, those performances weren't great and thus people criticised them.

There is of course a difference between abuse and critique, but I highly doubt Joe Nuttall was browsing AVFTT and reading any nasty comments put on here - if there was a contributing factor to his issues it was more likely the abuse he received whilst playing (I remember some disgusting behaviour from our fans at Accrington away) and on twitter (I remember him locking his twitter account after receiving some on there). To point the finger at other posters on here doesn't do anyone any good.
 
I think this is a stark reminder to us all that footballers are human and whilst in the public eye we do need to take a collective responsibility when reviewing their performances/mistakes. Some of what was written and said about the lad was quite honestly disgusting. I'm very proud of Blackpool FC and in the main our supporters but we do need to be a little more considerate at times. I've been guilty of having a pop at Critchley, albeit never personal, and should have been more patient or limited my view on his abilities. Back to subject, I hope Joe gets all the help he needs and from that comes a much happier person. Good luck Joe.
 
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I think we’ll either terminate or he ll see his contract out. Either way as you say I hope the club and by extension the fans can support him throughout.
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You're asking a lot, aren't you? Some of the fans most active on social media have persecuted him almost from the moment he arrived.

I wish him well. If he is struggling with depression, football fans are the last people he needs to be around.
 
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There is of course a difference between abuse and critique, but I highly doubt Joe Nuttall was browsing AVFTT and reading any nasty comments put on here - if there was a contributing factor to his issues it was more likely the abuse he received whilst playing (I remember some disgusting behaviour from our fans at Accrington away) and on twitter (I remember him locking his twitter account after receiving some on there). To point the finger at other posters on here doesn't do anyone any good.
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We will never know, I imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were wholly wrong. Football people ARE very aware of what people are saying about them and their efforts ; how many "shushing" goal celebrations have you seen from players who have been made scapegoats by their own supporters?

One of the big downsides of social media is that people think they can say and post whatever they like without there ever being consequences. They are certainly only very rarely held accountable for it. I'm a big believer in peer pressure, in this instance - perhaps someone SHOULD dig out some of these old threads and we can see exactly who said what about the lad.
 
I expect it's been written elsewhere but in some ways, now would be the best of times for any player that is less good at handling a poor crowd reaction to come good. There must be a few such examples across the leagues at the moment? Of course you could also balance that against the counter argument of the extra yard that comes from a bit of "friendly encouragement".....

I thought Joe Nuttall showed some good touches but like many, I'd hoped for a lot more. Something was definitely not right, I hope he gets his life back on track. If he got his career back on track that would be brilliant, most of all for him but also for those who've invested in him.
 
basilrobbie said:
You're asking a lot, aren't you? Some of the fans most active on social media have persecuted him almost from the moment he arrived.

I wish him well. If he is struggling with depression, football fans are the last people he needs to be around.
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That’s social media for you. I barely have any presence on any platform.

In fairness to the fans that did lay into him no one knew what was going on behind the scenes (which I’ve said isn’t depression). When people enter the arena that is celebrity generally the deal is your life will be highly scrutinised but the remuneration is beyond the norm.

Like I said if people know a snippet of what is occurring there’s no need for the abuse from now on.
 
Rektseasider said:
That’s social media for you. I barely have any presence on any platform.

In fairness to the fans that did lay into him no one knew what was going on behind the scenes (which I’ve said isn’t depression). When people enter the arena that is celebrity generally the deal is your life will be highly scrutinised but the remuneration is beyond the norm.

Like I said if people know a snippet of what is occurring there’s no need for the abuse from now on.
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I wasn't accusing you specifically, rekt.

Isn't there a bit of chicken and egg about this? We should lay off him a bit because he's depressed. Perhaps he wouldn't BE depressed if people hadn't gone after him in the first place. And they did so in large part because they thought his form didn't measure up to the large transfer fee that others placed around his neck.

Anyway, all this is speculation based upon not very much in the way of evidence. Call it the AVFTT way.....
 
Rektseasider said:
That’s social media for you. I barely have any presence on any platform.

In fairness to the fans that did lay into him no one knew what was going on behind the scenes (which I’ve said isn’t depression). When people enter the arena that is celebrity generally the deal is your life will be highly scrutinised but the remuneration is beyond the norm.

Like I said if people know a snippet of what is occurring there’s no need for the abuse from now on.
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The trouble is, most of these keyboard warriors wouldn’t say boo to a goose if they were stood face to face, constructive criticism is one thing , abuse is another, and totally out of order !
 
basilrobbie said:
I wasn't accusing you specifically, rekt.

Isn't there a bit of chicken and egg about this? We should lay off him a bit because he's depressed. Perhaps he wouldn't BE depressed if people hadn't gone after him in the first place. And they did so in large part because they thought his form didn't measure up to the large transfer fee that others placed around his neck.

Anyway, all this is speculation based upon not very much in the way of evidence. Call it the AVFTT way.....
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I didn't take it as aimed at me so no worries there.

I have actually gone back and looked at what I've written about Nuttall though, I think the worst I ever said was to call him "deadwood" at the club and likely should be moved on, I was more critical of the club. I know others have gone above and beyond this, which to a point isn't going to help a young lad in his career but on the flip side when you get into the entertainment industry, rightly or wrongly this sort of behaviour is part and parcel of it, the general remuneration reflects this in the industry.

I am just fortunate to get drops of information and this isn't a chicken and egg situation, I don't really want to say anymore than I have but it wasn't caused by the fans, the criticism definitely hasn't helped but the fans are not at the root of this.

Again all I'll say is my sincerest best wishes to Joe.
 
basilrobbie said:
We will never know, I imagine, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were wholly wrong. Football people ARE very aware of what people are saying about them and their efforts ; how many "shushing" goal celebrations have you seen from players who have been made scapegoats by their own supporters?

One of the big downsides of social media is that people think they can say and post whatever they like without there ever being consequences. They are certainly only very rarely held accountable for it. I'm a big believer in peer pressure, in this instance - perhaps someone SHOULD dig out some of these old threads and we can see exactly who said what about the lad.
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You must have misinterpreted my point.

I have never denied footballers are aware of what is said about them on social media, I even stated that it is more likely Nuttall was effected by comments about/to him on twitter, a platform he uses - rather than AVFTT (which I would imagine he has never used). That's not to say I think people are justified in their abuse and nasty comments if the footballer never reads it, my post was along the lines that people who have merely critiqued Nuttall on a site designed for discussion should not have the finger pointed at them as if they are responsible for the lad's poor mental health.
 
He is only young and I hope he works hard, comes back and proves the doubters wrong. His contract gives him time to do that. Covid restrictions have been tough mentally for many young people
 
King Billy said:
Right so we can never question a players ability or criticise just incase he’s not mentally all there?
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There is criticise and then there are people who quite clearly crossed the line and absolutely slaughtered him.
No player who plays for us and especially a young one deserves what he got.
 
Look, fans are fans and he massively disappointed us because of how much we expected and were excited about him. If he's suffering with mental health problems then we as fans and a club should do what we can to help him.

I'd love nothing more than to see him run out for us again as I think, from the small clips we've seen he has more about his game than what Madine currently shows us. There is 100% a player in there and an exciting 20 goal plus player. I'd love for that to be seen at BFC.

Hopefully he manages his situation and is supported.
 
Didn't someone start a thread on here requesting the club get rid of him?

Typical anonymous keyboard warrior nonsense usually found on twitter.

No idea who started it, but that particularly sticks in my mind as crossing the line.


I always thought he was unfairly targeted and bore the brunt of the abuse because we were dire under Grayson; loanees aside very few players shone last season.

Let's hope he overcomes this and is able to contribute either here or elsewhere.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Didn't someone start a thread on here requesting the club get rid of him?

Typical anonymous keyboard warrior nonsense usually found on twitter.

No idea who started it, but that particularly sticks in my mind as crossing the line.


I always thought he was unfairly targeted and bore the brunt of the abuse because we were dire under Grayson; loanees aside very few players shone last season.

Let's hope he overcomes this and is able to contribute either here or elsewhere.
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That's a very good summary and the lad didn't have a fair crack of the whip playing for Grayson with the mind-numbing fare that was on offer.
 
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Rekt. I can't go back and find your old post but it doesn't really matter.
If Nutts can't play because he's ill, what's the difference between that being a mental illness or losing a leg in a tragic accident?
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You may get your head back & play pro football again its somewhat trickier after losing a limb? 😉
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Didn't someone start a thread on here requesting the club get rid of him?

Typical anonymous keyboard warrior nonsense usually found on twitter.

No idea who started it, but that particularly sticks in my mind as crossing the line.


I always thought he was unfairly targeted and bore the brunt of the abuse because we were dire under Grayson; loanees aside very few players shone last season.

Let's hope he overcomes this and is able to contribute either here or elsewhere.
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So any thread wanting the club to get rid of Grayson would be crossing the line too?
 
Simonized said:
There is criticise and then there are people who quite clearly crossed the line and absolutely slaughtered him.
No player who plays for us and especially a young one deserves what he got.
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There you go again, trying to make some fans feel ashamed by using extreme words. If you saw direct abuse towards him ie someone in his face abusing him then I apologise. At worst it was a few disgruntled voices when he come on. It wasn’t to a chorus of extremely loud boos followed by some derogatory chant towards him.
I hope the lad gets the help he needs and becomes a success be it here or elsewhere in football but if not I wish him every success in life.
But no one should feel ashamed for having a negative opinion of him on his footballing ability.
 
The best thing we can do as supporters is 'support the players.
I get that fans get frustrated if people are not performing on the pitch and want to vent but there is a line.
Its fine saying you think so & so is shit after the game in the pub to mates or even in the ground but it should go no further.
I think the advent of the internet & social media has made things a lot worse.
 
King Billy said:
So any thread wanting the club to get rid of Grayson would be crossing the line too?
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That is a fair point. If that is not allowed, then most football fans are fair game at one time or another.

It's the manner in which it is done, isn't it? I don't think it is in the nature of many football fans to criticise constructively ; for some the game is an escape from their normal lives and they don't respond well if it doesn't always go swimmingly.

The fact is that some of what was written - and said - about him was as embarrassing as it was vile. One of the most disappointing aspects of the post-Oyston era so far is how quickly some people have regressed into this kind of absurdly self-entitled posturing. We're not Sunderland fans, for fuck's sake, so why do so many people behave like them?
 
deary said:
The best thing we can do as supporters is 'support the players.
I get that fans get frustrated if people are not performing on the pitch and want to vent but there is a line.
Its fine saying you think so & so is shit after the game in the pub to mates or even in the ground but it should go no further.
I think the advent of the internet & social media has made things a lot worse.
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A forum like this is fine for criticism, but even then there is a line like it shouldn’t become personal. Twitter is a different kettle of fish as players themselves can read it.
 
King Billy said:
So any thread wanting the club to get rid of Grayson would be crossing the line too?
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Only if the overwhelming blame for the poor performances on the field for the entire team lay at Nuttalls feet.

It isn't a similar comparison, one is/was a young lad trying to find his feet in his first full season as a "proper" footballer. The other was someone with years of experience under his belt who had seemingly given up and was setting the team up to not lose.
 
King Billy said:
So any thread wanting the club to get rid of Grayson would be crossing the line too?
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No i think thats ok, There is a difference though between saying hes a fkin useless miserable slapheaded dinosaur or worse ,to i think he has lost his mojo and is no longer the man to take us forward 😀.
Managers tend to be older so are probably more prepared mentally to deal with flack than young players.
 
King Billy said:
A forum like this is fine for criticism, but even then there is a line like it shouldn’t become personal. Twitter is a different kettle of fish as players themselves can read it.
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Yes you are right its 'the line' & twitter is way worse 👍
Players can read forums.
Personally i dont think they should
 
King Billy said:
There you go again, trying to make some fans feel ashamed by using extreme words. If you saw direct abuse towards him ie someone in his face abusing him then I apologise. At worst it was a few disgruntled voices when he come on. It wasn’t to a chorus of extremely loud boos followed by some derogatory chant towards him.
I hope the lad gets the help he needs and becomes a success be it here or elsewhere in football but if not I wish him every success in life.
But no one should feel ashamed for having a negative opinion of him on his footballing ability.
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Do you do F/B? Some of the stuff off here found its way over there and far worse too, especially on the club's posts like posting the latest news and team sheet.
We don't know if he has read anything on here, but the stuff pitchside and Facebook will almost certainly be known to him.
My recollection of the stuff on F/B I reacted too was vile and to my astonishment, the person who monitors that for the club took little or no action as far as I could tell.
It's really sad all this and I had a bad accident and a few health problems in the last few years and that affected me quite badly, but thankfully I am ok now.
Until you have been there it's sometimes all too easy to forget its a real person in there and they have feelings like we do.
 
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King Billy said:
A forum like this is fine for criticism, but even then there is a line like it shouldn’t become personal. Twitter is a different kettle of fish as players themselves can read it.
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I think people should be entitled to criticise performances of players or managers on any forum and that people who may agree or disagree with specific criticisms should debate and discuss appropriately - is that not what forums are for ?

Criticism should not become personal on here as you suggest but why on earth should it be acceptable on Twitter just because players may happen to read it themselves ?

Surely personal abuse should be unacceptable on all sites regardless of whether the victim of the abuse is going to see it or not ?

Saying that, I would be rather disappointed if a professional footballer was to become overly upset because some snotty nosed teenagers wrote a few words about him on the internet and I would like to think that they could rise above any such nonsense.
 
Simonized said:
Do you do F/B? Some of the stuff off here found its way over there and far worse too, especially on the club's posts like posting the latest news and team sheet.
We don't know if he has read anything on here, but the stuff pitchside and Facebook will almost certainly be known to him.
My recollection of the stuff on F/B I reacted too was vile and to my astonishment, the person who monitors that for the club took little or no action as far as I could tell.
It's really sad all this and I had a bad accident and a few health problems in the last few years and that affected me quite badly, but thankfully I am ok now.
Until you have been there it's sometimes all too easy to forget its a real person in there and they have feelings like we do.
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Fair enough, you are drawing from your own experience and glad you are back to I hope at least reasonably good health 👍.
Clearly you have seen more than me on Facebook as I haven’t really seen anything, so fair enough.

I think it’s a moot point anyway as I don’t think social media comments are what’s caused this as even when he signed and early on he never looked focused, as if he has other things on his mind which is a classic sign of depression.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I think people should be entitled to criticise performances of players or managers on any forum and that people who may agree or disagree with specific criticisms should debate and discuss appropriately - is that not what forums are for ?

Criticism should not become personal on here as you suggest but why on earth should it be acceptable on Twitter just because players may happen to read it themselves ?

Surely personal abuse should be unacceptable on all sites regardless of whether the victim of the abuse is going to see it or not ?

Saying that, I would be rather disappointed if a professional footballer was to become overly upset because some snotty nosed teenagers wrote a few words about him on the internet and I would like to think that they could rise above any such nonsense.
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I think you mid read my post, I wasn’t suggesting personal abuse is acceptable on Twitter. If anything it’s worse because it’s like a direct message to the person.
 
I wish him well poor lad. It’s not good if true I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Let’s hope and prey he gets back to his old self soon,
 
I defended him constantly on here last season when he was getting dogs abuse from a lot of people on here. It made no difference and I was personally castigated for doing so. I could put a lot of posts on here to prove that and at the time I was disgusted with my so called fellow supporters of our club.

It was appalling and it still goes on now with other of our players because, sadly, there are so many cretins on here who think they can spout whatever they want with no consequence. I blocked many because I don't want anything to do with people like that, but those of you who did persecute the lad you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves, but you won't be, you'll just move onto your next poor victim.

It wasn't constructive criticism or just saying you didn't rate him, it was far far worse than that and I will never forget it. To do that to one of our own players!

I seriously hope he does recover and come back into the squad and team and shove those shitehawk words right back down the throats of those of you guilty of doing it.
 
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I think people should be entitled to criticise performances of players or managers on any forum and that people who may agree or disagree with specific criticisms should debate and discuss appropriately - is that not what forums are for ?

Criticism should not become personal on here as you suggest but why on earth should it be acceptable on Twitter just because players may happen to read it themselves ?

Surely personal abuse should be unacceptable on all sites regardless of whether the victim of the abuse is going to see it or not ?

Saying that, I would be rather disappointed if a professional footballer was to become overly upset because some snotty nosed teenagers wrote a few words about him on the internet and I would like to think that they could rise above any such nonsense.
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It wasn't that though was it? It was relentless and it didn't matter how he played. I saw him play several times and he was better than Gnando skill and work rate wise but that was completely ignored and he was berated however he played and even when he wasn't even playing. It was disgusting and it wasn't kids either.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I defended him constantly on here last season when he was getting dogs abuse from a lot of people on here. It made no difference and I was personally castigated for doing so. I could put a lot of posts on here to prove that and at the time I was disgusted with my so called fellow supporters of our club.

It was appalling and it still goes on now with other of our players because, sadly, there are so many cretins on here who think they can spout whatever they want with no consequence. I blocked many because I don't want anything to do with people like that, but those of you who did persecute the lad you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves, but you won't be, you'll just move onto your next poor victim.

It wasn't constructive criticism or just saying you didn't rate him, it was far far worse than that and I will never forget it. To do that to one of our own players!

I seriously hope he does recover and come back into the squad and team and shove those shitehawk words right back down the throats of those of you guilty of doing it.
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At the risk of setting you back a couple of months on your therapy for the hate campaign you endured during your brave one man warrior like fight to defend all things Joe Nuttall. He just wasn’t good enough.
 
King Billy said:
At the risk of setting you back a couple of months on your therapy for the hate campaign you endured during your brave one man warrior like fight to defend all things Joe Nuttall. He just wasn’t good enough.
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I think that just confirms what I was saying, it didn't take long.
 
King Billy said:
At the risk of setting you back a couple of months on your therapy for the hate campaign you endured during your brave one man warrior like fight to defend all things Joe Nuttall. He just wasn’t good enough.
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There is just no need for that.
You must have been too consumed with your hate of all things Joe Nuttal you couldn't see how bad he was being vilified.
 
hertfordseasider said:
It wasn't that though was it? It was relentless and it didn't matter how he played. I saw him play several times and he was better than Gnando skill and work rate wise but that was completely ignored and he was berated however he played and even when he wasn't even playing. It was disgusting and it wasn't kids either.
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Herts

My post was a generic one and had nothing to do with Nuttall.

Apologies for any confusion.
 
King Billy said:
I think you mid read my post, I wasn’t suggesting personal abuse is acceptable on Twitter. If anything it’s worse because it’s like a direct message to the person.
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Billy

Yes, I did misread your post and apologies for doing so.

Everything I said still stands but yes I did think that you were saying that personal abuse was acceptable on Twitter because players were reading it and I see now that was not the case.

Sorry about that.
 
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