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Just finished watching The fourth Episode of this drama about the 96 ( now97). At Hillsborough. There is a lot in the series that I hadn't realized had happened over the years. Apparently it's received indifferent reviews, but I challenge anyone to watch it without shedding a tear.

The morel to the Story is, whatever the odds are against you, never ever give up.

I now understand fully why the Liverpool fans are so bitter about what happened.

If you haven't seen it, I would recommend you find it and watch.

RIP Anne and the 97.
 
Maxine Peake is absolutely brilliant in this. The last episode, especially the last 15 minutes is seriously emotional stuff and I defy anyone not to well up!

Quote of the series 'Anne I recommend you don't go to the hearing, the cancer is very aggressive' Anne's reply 'so am I'😂 What a woman!
 
Watched the first episode of Anne last night. Very good, but a tough watch, and not much new learnt so far.
I am no expert on Hillsborough though so am sure there will be plenty that’s new to me as it goes on.
 
I have a friend from Uni who married a lovely bloke whose best mate died on his shoulder in the pen . Tragically last year having had numerous break downs he took his own life. His sister said at the funeral her brother died that day in Sheffield . Brilliant bloke he was leaving behind a wife and two daughters .
 
glasshalffull said:
Watched the first episode of Anne last night. Very good, but a tough watch, and not much new learnt so far.
I am no expert on Hillsborough though so am sure there will be plenty that’s new to me as it goes on.
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I also watched1st episode last night.
I was astonished when a few hours earlier I had walked past the film setting on Formby sand dunes , the house location and school.
 
A fabulous but moving watch.

At its heart, a devoted mother driven by her love for her son and her quest for justice.

The part where it reveiled he died at around 3.45pm and called out for his Mum with his dying breath was extremely moving.

Those responsible for the subsequent cover up and litany of lies still evade justice! 🙁
 
Lala said:
I watched most of the first episode and found it far too upsetting to carry on with.

That‘s in part a compliment to the acting and cast.

Particularly Maxine Peake. As stated by others she was absolutely superb in the episode I saw.

Tragic.
RIP 🌹
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It doesn’t get any easier, Karen.

The emotion that Maxine Peake puts in makes it impossible to not feel her pain.
She deserves a BAFTA for that performance.
 
Lala said:
I watched most of the first episode and found it far too upsetting to carry on with.

That‘s in part a compliment to the acting and cast.

Particularly Maxine Peake. As stated by others she was absolutely superb in the episode I saw.

Tragic.
RIP 🌹
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I haven’t watched it yet because of your first sentence. I have to be in the right mood to cope with that upset, the same applies to Four Lives. I started watching Judy yesterday (bio pic of Judy Garland), I watched 2 segments yesterday but couldn’t carry on, will finish it off over the week end….another difficult watch. All 3 stories brilliantly brought to the screen by superb acting and directing.
 
This is Ska said:
I haven’t watched it yet because of your first sentence. I have to be in the right mood to cope with that upset, the same applies to Four Lives. I started watching Judy yesterday (bio pic of Judy Garland), I watched 2 segments yesterday but couldn’t carry on, will finish it off over the week end….another difficult watch. All 3 stories brilliantly brought to the screen by superb acting and directing.
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Four LIves was incredibly sad 😞
There are some really evil people out there 🥴
 
Johnno said:
It doesn’t get any easier, Karen.

The emotion that Maxine Peake puts in makes it impossible to not feel her pain.
She deserves a BAFTA for that performance.
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Watched the second episode last night, and to be honest I did find it easier to watch, perhaps because it was not so much dealing with the initial reactions of the first couple of days.
 
glasshalffull said:
Watched the second episode last night, and to be honest I did find it easier to watch, perhaps because it was not so much dealing with the initial reactions of the first couple of days.
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You’re probably right, mate. I watched it all in one go, so don’t easily distinguish the episodes. You’ve got plenty of heartbreaking and/or anger inspiring scenes to still come though, as I’m sure you can imagine.
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Johnno said:
You’re probably right, mate. I watched it all in one go, so don’t easily distinguish the episodes. You’ve got plenty of heartbreaking and/or anger inspiring scenes to still come though, as I’m sure you can imagine.
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Well you weren’t wrong!

Watched the last two episodes last night (first one still the most difficult though).

Great performance from Maxine Peak, who I met in Hull during their City of Culture year.
She had just produced Lillian Bilocca, a play about another resilient, female who fought for fishermen’s rights on the trawlers in the 60’s
Maxine is a terrific actress and seems like a lovely lady.

I also watched the documentary ‘The Real Anne’, which was on ITV this week (recommended). Another great performance from Maxine Peake, and also David Conn and others.
It seems to me the railings that split the Leppings Lane end into separate pens were a major cause in the disaster?
 
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I saw the documentary too, I was also impressed by Andy Burnham’s segment, hopefully a genuine moment.
Did you notice how mangled all the metalwork in those pens was? That must have taken horrific force. The pens across the country were an accident waiting to happen - we really were treated like animals back then, weren’t we?
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I seem to remember us being held back at Burnden Park around that time and things getting very heated with the coppers as people were feeling crushed….

The caging in of fans in that way was a disaster waiting to happen really…

Very moving series as was the documentary…. Andy Burnham came out of that with an awful lot of credit for me.
 
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I saw the documentary too, I was also impressed by Andy Burnham’s segment, hopefully a genuine moment.
Did you notice how mangled all the metalwork in those pens was? That must have taken horrific force. The pens across the country were an accident waiting to happen - we really were treated like animals back then, weren’t we?
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Yes it seems like another lifetime. I did notice that metalwork. You would need some powerful machinery to bend those things like that.

I must admit I was dead against all seater stadiums when they came in, but they are so much safer.
When I look back at the expense, trouble and time I lost going to matches in those days, only to put my life at risk and often barely be able to see the match properly it was ridiculous.
Cinema audiences certainly wouldn’t have put up with that!
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I seem to remember us being held back at Burnden Park around that time and things getting very heated with the coppers as people were feeling crushed….

The caging in of fans in that way was a disaster waiting to happen really…

Very moving series as was the documentary…. Andy Burnham came out of that with an awful lot of credit for me.
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I remember being at Burnden Park trying to watch a game when there were big lumps of masonry that had come from the rotting terraces, and been hurled from the other side of the dividing barrier flying around our heads!
 
TotallyTangerine said:
i was pregnant and got hit in the stomach .. I seem to remember being squeezed into a caged tunnel
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Ouch! Sorry to hear that TT. I do hope that turned out OK?
I am not sure exactly what year it was. I’m pretty sure it was quite a lot earlier than that though, maybe early eighties?
I’ve just had a quick look at the history of Burnden Park, and it looks as if one end (the embankment) was sold off for a supermarket in 1986. I presume that was probably the away end?
Incidentally I notice there was a major disaster there in 1946 when 33 were killed and 400 injured in a ‘crush’, which I did not know about.
 
glasshalffull said:
Ouch! Sorry to hear that TT. I do hope that turned out OK?
I am not sure exactly what year it was. I’m pretty sure it was quite a lot earlier than that though, maybe early eighties?
I’ve just had a quick look at the history of Burnden Park, and it looks as if one end (the embankment) was sold off for a supermarket in 1986. I presume that was probably the away end?
Incidentally I notice there was a major disaster there in 1946 when 33 were killed and 400 injured in a ‘crush’, which I did not know about.
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Thank you! I was wearing a sheepskin coat so was padded but I remember being quite upset and annoyed at being ‘trapped.’ Everything was indeed ok and Max is now 31 and a poster on here too! (Maxnix)
I haven’t heard of the disaster in 1946… that’s shocking ….and very sad
 
I went with a Newcastle mate to see Toon away to Spurs. It was 21/2/1987 because I’ve just looked it up.
Long story short it was lay on the gate, Toon took between 12/15,000 down and we were crammed in the away terraces, the police were ** useless and it was a big crush virtually all game but seemed to ease ever so slightly as the game went on. My arms were down by my sides and I couldn’t lift them to give you some idea. It was quite scary.

There was nearly a similar incident to the Hillsborough tragedy a few years earlier at the same Ground at the Wolves v Spurs Fa Cup semi final…..you can see it on YouTube, fans climbing over the fences, sitting behind the goals etc
 
Curryman said:
Just finished watching The fourth Episode of this drama about the 96 ( now97). At Hillsborough. There is a lot in the series that I hadn't realized had happened over the years. Apparently it's received indifferent reviews, but I challenge anyone to watch it without shedding a tear.

The morel to the Story is, whatever the odds are against you, never ever give up.

I now understand fully why the Liverpool fans are so bitter about what happened.

If you haven't seen it, I would recommend you find it and watch.

RIP Anne and the 97.
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I haven't watched this Anna yet but will watch it on I Player.

Coincidentally I watched a Panorama from a few years ago today and what the establishment did to the great city of Liverpool or tried to do was an absolute disgrace.

I have to be honest and in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, I lazily assumed that Liverpool supporters were to responsible for the events and nothing could be further from the truth.

May all the 97 good, honest, people who were lost rest in peace.


God Bless
 
TotallyTangerine said:
Thank you! I was wearing a sheepskin coat so was padded but I remember being quite upset and annoyed at being ‘trapped.’ Everything was indeed ok and Max is now 31 and a poster on here too! (Maxnix)
I haven’t heard of the disaster in 1946… that’s shocking ….and very sad
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My Dad was at Burnden in 1946 to see Matthews play. They lifted the crushed bodies from the terraces (30+ iirc), laid them on the cinder track, marked another touchline a yard in and restarted play.

Different times.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I went with a Newcastle mate to see Toon away to Spurs. It was 21/2/1987 because I’ve just looked it up.
Long story short it was lay on the gate, Toon took between 12/15,000 down and we were crammed in the away terraces, the police were ** useless and it was a big crush virtually all game but seemed to ease ever so slightly as the game went on. My arms were down by my sides and I couldn’t lift them to give you some idea. It was quite scary.

There was nearly a similar incident to the Hillsborough tragedy a few years earlier at the same Ground at the Wolves v Spurs Fa Cup semi final…..you can see it on YouTube, fans climbing over the fences, sitting behind the goals etc
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Yeah I went with an Everton fan mate a few years before the disaster.
It was the weirdest and most horrible part of a ground I think I have ever been in, and that is saying something!
It was busy that day, but not rammed. You could feel the claustrophobia though, and hardly see the pitch for metal.
A terrible and disastrous design the way they had split the whole end into those small and separate ‘pens’.
 
Wizaard said:
My Dad was at Burnden in 1946 to see Matthews play. They lifted the crushed bodies from the terraces (30+ iirc), laid them on the cinder track, marked another touchline a yard in and restarted play.

Different times.
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Wow that seems completely mental. “Football, Bloody Hell”.
 
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A couple of comments about previous posts etc. My Dad was also at the Burnden Park Disaster, rarely talked about it. He was also hit on the head by a piece of concrete thrown at Burnden Park in the early seventies. Fortunately he had a duffle cost on with the hood up, which gave some protection, but still needed a couple of stitches.

As for the Hillsborough Disaster, one thing that struck me was that a number of Ambulances were outside the ground and prevented from going in until it was too late. To prove that we never seem to learn, the same thing happened at the Manchester Arena following the bomb. People, in both instances, could have been saved with more immediate attention.
 
Wizaard said:
My Dad was at Burnden in 1946 to see Matthews play. They lifted the crushed bodies from the terraces (30+ iirc), laid them on the cinder track, marked another touchline a yard in and restarted play.

Different times.
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Different times as you say Wiz but tragically they played on at Hillsborough - albeit for a short period - with dead bodies lying on the pitch.

The police sent for reinforcements to stop supporters invading the pitch shortly after the kick off time.

I'm not criticising or blaming Stevie Nicol for a second but he shouted at his own supporters to get off the pitch.
 
glasshalffull said:
Yeah I went with an Everton fan mate a few years before the disaster.
It was the weirdest and most horrible part of a ground I think I have ever been in, and that is saying something!
It was busy that day, but not rammed. You could feel the claustrophobia though, and hardly see the pitch for metal.
A terrible and disastrous design the way they had split the whole end into those small and separate ‘pens’.
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The only thing that stopped deaths that day was that the Police eventually opened the empty pens in the corner next to the Spurs fans that was always left empty. Without that there would have been dead bodies on that terrace for definite. There’s 2 or 3 videos of it on YouTube and you can see how tightly it is packed and can see fans being escorted behind the goals to the pens they have opened etc.
The Copper in charge afterwards said they completely underestimated the number of Geordies who travelled down that day and said that it was a minimum of 12,000. I was there and there were more than 12,000 with some estimating a lot more. Good job they brought in ticket only system for a lot of games
 
Bloodtangerine said:
The only thing that stopped deaths that day was that the Police eventually opened the empty pens in the corner next to the Spurs fans that was always left empty. Without that there would have been dead bodies on that terrace for definite. There’s 2 or 3 videos of it on YouTube and you can see how tightly it is packed and can see fans being escorted behind the goals to the pens they have opened etc.
The Copper in charge afterwards said they completely underestimated the number of Geordies who travelled down that day and said that it was a minimum of 12,000. I was there and there were more than 12,000 with some estimating a lot more. Good job they brought in ticket only system for a lot of games
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Sounds a horrible experience. I am sure you are right about the ticketing. With hindsight the 1989 disaster looks so obviously predictable.
If they had actually taken notice of the supporters some foresight would have prevented it.
 
glasshalffull said:
Sounds a horrible experience. I am sure you are right about the ticketing. With hindsight the 1989 disaster looks so obviously predictable.
If they had actually taken notice of the supporters some foresight would have prevented it.
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It was actually a great day out with my mate and the Toon Army (I was only 20 and it was exciting) ….and it was an Army that day. Different times when supporters were treated like hooligans and tbh plenty were Hooligans that day at Spurs. Running battles all the way down Seven Sisters afterwards with the Geordies running riot. I wasn’t involved apart from watching it.

To think now there could be a big Cup Game between two big teams and it would just be pay on the gate with no idea how many would turn up….unimaginable but commonplace then……different times
 
Bloodtangerine said:
It was actually a great day out with my mate and the Toon Army (I was only 20 and it was exciting) ….and it was an Army that day. Different times when supporters were treated like hooligans and tbh plenty were Hooligans that day at Spurs. Running battles all the way down Seven Sisters afterwards with the Geordies running riot. I wasn’t involved apart from watching it.

To think now there could be a big Cup Game between two big teams and it would just be pay on the gate with no idea how many would turn up….unimaginable but commonplace then……different times
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Certainly was different times, and I have many happy memories of them. Sometimes I stop to remember the few occasions when I got myself into real trouble on matchday back then as well 🙄!

I suppose it was a way for many young men to experience some ‘tribal warfare’ without actually joining up.

I know that if my mother had known what went on at the football in those days then I would definitely have been put under ‘house arrest’ on Saturdays.
 
glasshalffull said:
Certainly was different times, and I have many happy memories of them. Sometimes I stop to remember the few occasions when I got myself into real trouble on matchday back then as well 🙄!

I suppose it was a way for many young men to experience some ‘tribal warfare’ without actually joining up.

I know that if my mother had known what went on at the football in those days then I would definitely have been put under ‘house arrest’ on Saturdays.
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I was away from home from 19 so a free Bird most of the time. I didn’t bother telling my Mum or Dad too much about anything 👍😁
 
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