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Keir Starmer takes on Tories with ‘buy British’ economic plan

Buoyant Labour sets out post-Brexit vision promising that more public contracts will go to UK companies
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So, the Labour Party are now endorsing and actively running on a policy promoting buy British, which includes a mandate to award more contracts to British businesses in areas such as construction and digital services, as examples.

This is the kind of policy I can definitely get behind and it’s about time we had something solid from Keir and his party to evaluate and critique if and where necessary.

I like it. We are where we are re Brexit. This Guardian article even mentions Labours desire to be more patriotic going forward and put our money into our own services with the end game of benefiting our communities as well as businesses.
It’s a big ✅ from me.
Thoughts ?
 
It’s a 👍 from me as well, although it’s strange for a remainer to promote Britain over the EU, but hey, that’s politics.
 
Matesrates said:
It’s a 👍 from me as well, although it’s strange for a remainer to promote Britain over the EU, but hey, that’s politics.
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I don’t think he has a choice now we are out of the EU.
He’s accepting and moving forward with plans like this to back Britain, its people, and its economy.
There never really was anything sinister about backing ourselves. It makes absolute sense now and Keir is onboard.
 
Lala said:
I don’t think he has a choice now we are out of the EU.
He’s accepting and moving forward with plans like this to back Britain, its people, and its economy.
There never really was anything sinister about backing ourselves. It makes absolute sense now and Keir is onboard.
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Filing agreement with this, but during my lifetime, I’ve seen this several times. Whether it will make a difference, only time will tell.
 
What's not to like with this policy that's what Kier needed rather than just telling the opposition everything was wrong also I like Rachel Reeves far better than Dodds.
 
Lala said:
www.google.com

Keir Starmer takes on Tories with ‘buy British’ economic plan

Buoyant Labour sets out post-Brexit vision promising that more public contracts will go to UK companies
www.google.com www.google.com
So, the Labour Party are now endorsing and actively running on a policy promoting buy British, which includes a mandate to award more contracts to British businesses in areas such as construction and digital services, as examples.

This is the kind of policy I can definitely get behind and it’s about time we had something solid from Keir and his party to evaluate and critique if and where necessary.

I like it. We are where we are re Brexit. This Guardian article even mentions Labours desire to be more patriotic going forward and put our money into our own services with the end game of benefiting our communities as well as businesses.
It’s a big ✅ from me.
Thoughts ?
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You couldn’t make it up 😀
 
It's a pity our own farmers feel let down by our govt and the Australian deal. Doesn't China make most things these days and we are a service based economy. I suppose I buy house and car insurance.
 
Shandypants said:
It's a pity our own farmers feel let down by our govt and the Australian deal. Doesn't China make most things these days and we are a service based economy. I suppose I buy house and car insurance.
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It’s not something I always think about now. But will make the effort to do so in future.
The big changes here will come from the mandatory inclusion of U.K. businesses when considering tenders for all industry contracts going forward.
It’s a start if we want to pull together and improve our economy and communities.
As a floating voter pushed very much into no mans land recently this is the kind of meaningful forward thinking policy I’ve been needing to see from KS et al.
Let’s see some more of his actual vision now and how he aims to achieve it 👍
 
Lala said:
It’s not something I always think about now. But will make the effort to do so in future.
The big changes here will come from the mandatory inclusion of U.K. businesses when considering tenders for all industry contracts going forward.
It’s a start if we want to pull together and improve our economy and communities.
As a floating voter pushed very much into no mans land recently this is the kind of meaningful forward thinking policy I’ve been needing to see from KS et al.
Let’s see some more of his actual vision now and how he aims to achieve it 👍
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What do we make? Clothes and goods are primarily made overseas. There are pockets of British industry but its not widespread. British companies are owned by foreign investors, China has its tentacles into vast amounts of British infrastructure. Buy British was tried and failed in the 1970s and it still sounds a bit 1970s, the world has changed to a global market with vast supply chains, components being made, shipped and assembled in various countries. I don't get this insular attitude. I'm more a left leaning voter but this doesn't overly interest me, it's tokenism.
 
Lala said:
www.google.com

Keir Starmer takes on Tories with ‘buy British’ economic plan

Buoyant Labour sets out post-Brexit vision promising that more public contracts will go to UK companies
www.google.com www.google.com
So, the Labour Party are now endorsing and actively running on a policy promoting buy British, which includes a mandate to award more contracts to British businesses in areas such as construction and digital services, as examples.

This is the kind of policy I can definitely get behind and it’s about time we had something solid from Keir and his party to evaluate and critique if and where necessary.

I like it. We are where we are re Brexit. This Guardian article even mentions Labours desire to be more patriotic going forward and put our money into our own services with the end game of benefiting our communities as well as businesses.
It’s a big ✅ from me.
Thoughts ?
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Sounds quite familiar to what the dangerous lunatic Marxist who would murder us all in our beds was saying...

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Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic 'benefit' of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on imports made by 'cheap labour from abroad'

Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers 'build things here again that for too long have been built abroad', in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump's 'America first' approach
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Shandypants said:
What do we make? Clothes and goods are primarily made overseas. There are pockets of British industry but its not widespread. British companies are owned by foreign investors, China has its tentacles into vast amounts of British infrastructure. Buy British was tried and failed in the 1970s and it still sounds a bit 1970s, the world has changed to a global market with vast supply chains, components being made, shipped and assembled in various countries. I don't get this insular attitude. I'm more a left leaning voter but this doesn't overly interest me, it's tokenism.
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Unddergoing a big restoration at my house. Every single product used so far has been made in the UK.
 
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td53 said:
Sounds quite familiar to what the dangerous lunatic Marxist who would murder us all in our beds was saying...

www.independent.co.uk

Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic 'benefit' of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on imports made by 'cheap labour from abroad'

Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers 'build things here again that for too long have been built abroad', in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump's 'America first' approach
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Which in turn, as the article implies , is also a very similar speech to that made by the Donald.
Does make you think doesn’t it.
 
Shandypants said:
What do we make? Clothes and goods are primarily made overseas. There are pockets of British industry but its not widespread. British companies are owned by foreign investors, China has its tentacles into vast amounts of British infrastructure. Buy British was tried and failed in the 1970s and it still sounds a bit 1970s, the world has changed to a global market with vast supply chains, components being made, shipped and assembled in various countries. I don't get this insular attitude. I'm more a left leaning voter but this doesn't overly interest me, it's tokenism.
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Annual output of £192 billion the UK remains the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world but hey lets all be negative at least Kier is trying to do something that appeals to the whole country.
 
Lala said:
Which in turn, as the article implies , is also a very similar speech to that made by the Donald.
Does make you think doesn’t it.
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Indeed it sounds quite familiar to arguments made by trade unionists in the 1970s and repeated as infinitum through the following decades as more and more of the UKs manufacturing capacity declined.

This shouldn't be argument about 'patriotism' - it's an argument that needs to be made about economics and also environmental issues.

It's also a bit East German 🤣
 
td53 said:
Indeed it sounds quite familiar to arguments made by trade unionists in the 1970s and repeated as infinitum through the following decades as more and more of the UKs manufacturing capacity declined.

This shouldn't be argument about 'patriotism' - it's an argument that needs to be made about economics and also environmental issues.

It's also a bit East German 🤣
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It doesn’t have to be an argument, and it can be about all those 3.
It’s about what the individual values really isn’t it.
We can see the importance of it anyway we like, without someone else telling us what we should view as relevant.
 
The biggest let down in politics is the electorate who will buy what suits them irrespective of the impact on British industry; it'll never change and has been like this for a couple of generations.

We used to have our own steel and raw materials manufactured / acquired in the UK, using our own coal and production bases but the country shunned that in favour of cheap imports.

Subsequently the car you drive around in is likely to be French,German, Far East but certainly not British, and its the same right across the board.

We get the country we vote for but I'm going to stick the kettle on now and put a few more pence into the pockets of another foreign owned utility company (rolls eyes)
 
Lala said:
It doesn’t have to be an argument, and it can be about all those 3.
It’s about what the individual values really isn’t it.
We can see the importance of it anyway we like, without someone else telling us what we should view as relevant.
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Yes, quite, but what I mean is, the policy is 'an argument' for how we should manage our economy and such arguments should be made on solid principles. And I think there are solid grounds behind wanting to become more reliant on local industry beyond the emotive appeal of patriotism.

If you look at what Preston Council have done with a policy of contracting locally, it's achieved a lot. It's actually really interesting*

*Maybe..
 
Plumbs said:
The biggest let down in politics is the electorate who will buy what suits them irrespective of the impact on British industry; it'll never change and has been like this for a couple of generations.

We used to have our own steel and raw materials manufactured / acquired in the UK, using our own coal and production bases but the country shunned that in favour of cheap imports.

Subsequently the car you drive around in is likely to be French,German, Far East but certainly not British, and its the same right across the board.

We get the country we vote for but I'm going to stick the kettle on now and put a few more pence into the pockets of another foreign owned utility company (rolls eyes)
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Plumbs

Yes, I'm all for buying British as LALA and your good self say and I'd be up for a boycott on all things Chinese - or at least I should be.

I'd take it further and push for supporting small businesses wherever possible to.

Easy for me to sit here and say but at the end of the day we probably just wouldn't like paying for it ?
 
td53 said:
Yes, quite, but what I mean is, the policy is 'an argument' for how we should manage our economy and such arguments should be made on solid principles. And I think there are solid grounds behind wanting to become more reliant on local industry beyond the emotive appeal of patriotism.

If you look at what Preston Council have done with a policy of contracting locally, it's achieved a lot. It's actually really interesting*

*Maybe..
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It’s about the economy, and the community and the article also mentions patriotism as well as these things.
It mentions all 3 and of course there will be other relevant advantages behind the policy.
But it’s perfectly ok to mention patriotism in there too, it’s not a dirty word that has to be excluded.
 
Shandypants said:
I've worked in the construction industry for the last 28 years and that surprises me. What are you doing?
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Almost a complete re-build. 1860s cottage. The only shortages I have suffered so far have been because some large construction companies stockpiled - plasterboard/bricks/cement.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Plumbs

Yes, I'm all for buying British as LALA and your good self say and I'd be up for a boycott on all things Chinese - or at least I should be.

I'd take it further and push for supporting small businesses wherever possible to.

Easy for me to sit here and say but at the end of the day we probably just wouldn't like paying for it ?
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There's a lot of nonsense with any Buy British campaigns because its more likely to be an 'assembled in Britain' product, which I've experienced recently with boiler spares/parts that were held up thru Brexit and covid issues etc.

When we're in a position to manufacture things like cars and ships etc then I'll be satisfied, but can't see that ever happening in my lifetime or indeed the grandkids' either.

We had it and threw it all away and are almost a satellite state like many other third rate countries.
 
Lala said:
It’s about the economy, and the community and the article also mentions patriotism as well as these things.
It mentions all 3 and of course there will be others relevant advantages behind the policy.
But it’s perfectly ok to mention patriotism in there too, it’s not a dirty word that has to be excluded.
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No, but it's meaningless in a rational argument about the economy as it is a concept that lives only in the mind.

The salient argument is that money that stays in the UK economy gets spent multiple times. Shorter supply chains mean less air freight. Jobs are created which in turn develops community. Those are tangible, measurable concepts that whether or not you are 'patriotic' are relevant.

Patriotism is an amorphous concept that means different things to different people. It's not a dirty word, no, but it's not a useful word in economic debate. You could argue that a far left statist economy is 'patriotic' or a right wing free for all is also.

One 'brit' gets all emotive listening to a colliery brass band and another thinking about the dear old Queen mum. My grandad bought British all his life. He was also a communist... Plenty of self declared patriots who would declare my grandad 'a traitor' drive around in cars he would rather have shot himself then buy because the weren't UK made. These people see economic freedom as patriotic and may baulk at government intervention...

What I want from political debate (by politicians) is a clinical and logical debate. I want to listen to well made arguments and make up my mind on the strength of them.

I'm just bored of Keith and Boris competing over who can wave the biggest union jack because it's a reductive way to play the game.

*This post was brought to you by over seriousness and pomposity*
 
poolseasider said:
Annual output of £192 billion the UK remains the ninth largest manufacturing nation in the world but hey lets all be negative at least Kier is trying to do something that appeals to the whole country.
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I'm not sure it does appeal to the whole country. The bottom line for a lot of people is how much it costs not where it is made. I see this with food, people will buy cheap crap and put that into their body. My wife is passionate about good food and buys local produce, it comes at a price and I know that most families wouldn't pay it.
 
Although I am totally against Brexit, we have it now and the hurt it is causing is becoming apparent every day. The one opportunity it does give, and Starmer and Boris both know this, is that because we can't get stuff from the EU like we used to, some of it we can't get at all without time delays and huge increases in cost and bureaucracy that there are opportunities for Britain to say, well if we can't buy it in then let's manufacture or grow it. There are opportunities for entrepeneurs to seize the initiative and make this happen. Of course this will take time and it takes money. It will increase jobs and bring manufacturing back to the Island. However, we have relied massively on labour from the EU, particularly Eastern EU countries and that is now an option that has been closed off, unless the government make a U turn and allow immigrants back in to fulfil the vacancies.

If this doesn't happen then we will have no choice but to import goods from the EU at inflated prices, more red tape and delays so prices, as they are now will rise disproportionately to their actual worth.

So yes, buy British, we should be doing that anyway, if we can, but seriously, it's going to take decades to change things round.
 
I think what does encourage me is that finally Labour are accepting the position we're in. I agree entirely with Lala there.

The biggest mistake labour made was not painting Corbyn as a genuine Eurosceptic (he was) and fighting the election on the grounds of 'what next' as opposed to Keith and his mates forcing labour to offer a retread of brexit that no one* wanted.

*Or was only wanted by a minority of people.
 
td53 said:
I think what does encourage me is that finally Labour are accepting the position we're in. I agree entirely with Lala there.

The biggest mistake labour made was not painting Corbyn as a genuine Eurosceptic (he was) and fighting the election on the grounds of 'what next' as opposed to Keith and his mates forcing labour to offer a retread of brexit that no one* wanted.

*Or was only wanted by a minority of people.
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Very very true 👍
 
hertfordseasider said:
Although I am totally against Brexit, we have it now and the hurt it is causing is becoming apparent every day. The one opportunity it does give, and Starmer and Boris both know this, is that because we can't get stuff from the EU like we used to, some of it we can't get at all without time delays and huge increases in cost and bureaucracy that there are opportunities for Britain to say, well if we can't buy it in then let's manufacture or grow it. There are opportunities for entrepeneurs to seize the initiative and make this happen. Of course this will take time and it takes money. It will increase jobs and bring manufacturing back to the Island. However, we have relied massively on labour from the EU, particularly Eastern EU countries and that is now an option that has been closed off, unless the government make a U turn and allow immigrants back in to fulfil the vacancies.

If this doesn't happen then we will have no choice but to import goods from the EU at inflated prices, more red tape and delays so prices, as they are now will rise disproportionately to their actual worth.

So yes, buy British, we should be doing that anyway, if we can, but seriously, it's going to take decades to change things round.
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You're correct. It's also going to take decades to affect climate change. But we should still be doing it as we should be buying British.
 
Been buying British for some time from independent companies.
Unfortunately not one electrical appliance is made here anymore.
 
Tangerinenick said:
Almost a complete re-build. 1860s cottage. The only shortages I have suffered so far have been because some large construction companies stockpiled - plasterboard/bricks/cement.
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You've bought locally but that doesn't mean the product hasn't been imported
 
Lala said:
www.google.com

Keir Starmer takes on Tories with ‘buy British’ economic plan

Buoyant Labour sets out post-Brexit vision promising that more public contracts will go to UK companies
www.google.com www.google.com
So, the Labour Party are now endorsing and actively running on a policy promoting buy British, which includes a mandate to award more contracts to British businesses in areas such as construction and digital services, as examples.

This is the kind of policy I can definitely get behind and it’s about time we had something solid from Keir and his party to evaluate and critique if and where necessary.

I like it. We are where we are re Brexit. This Guardian article even mentions Labours desire to be more patriotic going forward and put our money into our own services with the end game of benefiting our communities as well as businesses.
It’s a big ✅ from me.
Thoughts ?
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I was waiting for the sarcastic pay-off but no...my fault btw. I think it's an excellent idea and recalls Harold Wilson's "I'm backing Britain" campaign of the late 60s.
 
Lala said:
I don’t think he has a choice now we are out of the EU.
He’s accepting and moving forward with plans like this to back Britain, its people, and its economy.
There never really was anything sinister about backing ourselves. It makes absolute sense now and Keir is onboard.
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It is positive patriotism, not divisive, makes sense and benefits the people who live here. Has to be a good thing.
 
I haven't read the article, but I can get the picture from the responses on here.

It's a no brainer.

There is also a strong movement around local/community wealth building; where as much local taxation is spent on local provision.

Preston had led the way on a lot of this and basically went from spending something like 30% in the local economy (including Lancashire) to 70%.

It requires all the big spenders (council, NHS, eduction, police etc) to work together to do it, but the effects can be transformative.

If you look at the way G4 and Serco etc have behaved, it makes far more local economic sense to get the services and products from a local market place.

I've finally made a minor impression in Hartlepool on this, but it is hard work with mentality of the commissioners.
 
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It makes sense on a lot of levels. I am not sure it has a lot of mileage for Keir Starmer but at least it is a start. Time for him to lay out some sort of provisional manifesto now or he won’t last IMO.
 
Excellent.

I'll nip out tomorrow and buy my British Car, I'll find the place using a British search engine on my British phone before running home in my British trainers to watch a film on my British telly using my British electric provider 👍
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Excellent.

I'll nip out tomorrow and buy my British Car, I'll find the place using a British search engine on my British phone before running home in my British trainers to watch a film on my British telly using my British electric provider 👍
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You’re already doing your bit with your Pot Noodle consumption, mined in Wales apparently 👍
 
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