Owen Jones quits Labour

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Owen Jones quits Labour with attack on Keir Starmer claiming 'the party's over'

Guardian journalist Owen Jones has announced he's quitting Labour and will raise funds for Green Party candidates, but he faced a backlash from supporters of Keir Starmer
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The Labour party is in my blood. Here’s why I’ve just cancelled my membership | Labour | The Guardian

My ancestors could always point to Labour policies that transformed ordinary lives. I cannot say the same, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones
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basilrobbie3 said:
Politically, a gift for Starmer. One less rabble rouser for him to worry about.
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Is it though, Jones has got a fairly big social media following so if they follow he could cause some damage maybe.

Also with what we saw with Galloway is there not a bit more competition now potentially splitting some of the vote?
 
JJpool said:
Is it though, Jones has got a fairly big social media following so if they follow he could cause some damage maybe.

Also with what we saw with Galloway is there not a bit more competition now potentially splitting some of the vote?
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You're too online. None of this stuff matters. Nobody gives a toss what Owen Jones thinks. He "left" to set up a one page website with four donate buttons. A few people in university cities with massive Labour leads might refuse to vote for Starmer's Labour. It will change nothing. They are on course for a 300+ seat majority.

Most people don't care about Owen Jones, Darren Grimes, whatever personality you can name that has lots of Twitter followers and obsesses over PMQs. They go about their lives and notices when their mortgage goes up, when trains don't show up, and when the NHS no longer works.
 
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foggy said:
Nobody gives a toss what Owen Jones thinks. He "left" to set up a one page website with four donate buttons.

Most people don't care about Owen Jones
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What about catinstalbans? She/he was obsessed with him. I wager he/she/they will be distraught at the news 😆
 
foggy said:
You're too online. None of this stuff matters. Nobody gives a toss what Owen Jones thinks. He "left" to set up a one page website with four donate buttons. A few people in university cities with massive Labour leads might refuse to vote for Starmer's Labour. It will change nothing. They are on course for a 300+ seat majority.

Most people don't care about Owen Jones, Darren Grimes, whatever personality you can name that has lots of Twitter followers and obsessed over PMQs. They go about their lives and notices when their mortgage goes up, when trains don't work, and when the NHS no longer works.
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Too online... it's a big part of society if you haven't noticed. Clearly some give a toss...Also I've said before there's a big, almost unmeasured in polls, feeling of those in the real world that you speak to that don't engage in any of this stuff online or that often in normal conversation, but that will happen for people of all persuasions.

Clearly some are being put off Labour since the Gaza situation.

It was only a question and given what happened in Rochdale is it a one off or another threat there given some or large parts of the Muslim vote may now go a different direction.

I didn't claim it would change the election about Jones alone, but there seems to be a few challenges coming in recently for Labour. Of course there are many reasons people vote for parties, that's pretty obvious.
 
JJpool said:
Too online... it's a big part of society if you haven't noticed. Clearly some give a toss...Also I've said before there's a big, almost unmeasured in polls, feeling of those in the real world that you speak to that don't engage in any of this stuff online or that often in normal conversation, but that will happen for people of all persuasions.

Clearly some are being put off Labour since the Gaza situation.

It was only a question and given what happened in Rochdale is it a one off or another threat there given some or large parts of the Muslim vote may now go a different direction.

I didn't claim it would change the election about Jones alone, but there seems to be a few challenges coming in recently for Labour. Of course there are many reasons people vote for parties, that's pretty obvious.
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Owen Jones leaving Labour is not "a big part of society".

If there were an election tomorrow Labour would win a majority that would make 1997 look close. I was here saying this when people said Corbyn's fictional new party would cause them problems. I was here saying this when people said the Uxbridge by election showed how the "war on motorists" would cause Labour trouble. I was here saying this when Lee Anderson was going to bring back the red wall. And I'll continue saying this and I'll be right.
 
foggy said:
Owen Jones leaving Labour is not "a big part of society".

If there were an election tomorrow Labour would win a majority that would make 1997 look close. I was here saying this when people said Corbyn's fictional new party would cause them problems. I was here saying this when people said the Uxbridge by election showed how the "war on motorists" would cause Labour trouble. I was here saying this when Lee Anderson was going to bring back the red wall. And I'll continue saying this and I'll be right.
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Online is a big part of todays society, not necessarily Owen Jones, although he does have a decent enough following and may have some sort of impact, so too may the Gaza conflict.

The current polling tells us what is likely to happen, which I don't deny, but they have had some issues and I'm not sure the polling is ever completely on it, it failed to measure brexit for e.g. It may overestimate but probably won't change much, the 2 party system isn't that exciting or fair IMO.
 
JJpool said:
Online is a big part of todays society, not necessarily Owen Jones, although he does have a decent enough following and may have some sort of impact, so too may the Gaza conflict.

The current polling tells us what is likely to happen, which I don't deny, but they have had some issues and I'm not sure the polling is ever completely on it, it failed to measure brexit for e.g. It may overestimate but probably won't change much, the 2 party system isn't that exciting or fair IMO.
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I'm talking about online echo chambers. This just does not seep into how people will vote. Owen Jones has been criticising Labour under Starmer for years. They've only strengthened their position and the numbers of councillors and MPs they have in Parliament since. I'm sorry to tell you, but you are terminally online. Take it from someone who is also terminally online. It's ok, we all have our vices. It's just better if you recognise most people don't know who these personalities are, much less care what they think, much much less change their voting patterns based on what party they are a member of.

Polling was off by a handful of percenage points with Brexit. When you are predicting Remain to win by 52-48 being off by a few percent can make a huge difference, because you're threading the needle of a coinflip. But when it's Labour 44 and Tories 20, the margin of error doesn't make a difference. It's either a Blair-style landslide or a complete wipeout where the Lib Dems are the 2nd biggest party.
 
foggy said:
I'm talking about online echo chambers. This just does not seep into how people will vote. Owen Jones has been criticising Labour under Starmer for years. They've only strengthened their position and the numbers of councillors and MPs they have in Parliament since. I'm sorry to tell you, but you are terminally online. Take it from someone who is also terminally online. It's ok, we all have our vices. It's just better if you recognise most people don't know who these personalities are, much less care what they think, much much less change their voting patterns based on what party they are a member of.

Polling was off by a handful of percenage points with Brexit. When you are predicting Remain to win by 52-48 being off by a few percent can make a huge difference, because you're threading the needle of a coinflip. But when it's Labour 44 and Tories 20, the margin of error doesn't make a difference. It's either a Blair-style landslide or a complete wipeout where the Lib Dems are the 2nd biggest party.
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Of course it does, it'll have an impact if many of his followers... follow him, which some may well do, it may be small but it's still an impact. The bigger impact may well be the Galloway factor.

How else do people mainly interact, of course it's online, well apart from whenever I speak to people in 'a working class environment' and you see a lot of the same opinions. These people aren't measured for any polls, which is probably why brexit was a shock.

I know most average people don't give 2 hoots about Jones, but I never claimed them too, only it's another 'blow' for Labour and may have an impact on some level.

Yes but people expect the polls to narrow somewhat and then if they're out again it could be a little closer than people think, but I don't expect anything but a Labour win. It would be funny if they did get complacent and somehow didn't win though. I can't warm to Starmer much and don't see him as a particularly strong leader, but maybe a relatively boring politician is what we need, although is it about personality more and more these days.
 
JJpool said:
Of course it does, it'll have an impact if many of his followers... follow him, which some may well do, it may be small but it's still an impact. The bigger impact may well be the Galloway factor.

How else do people mainly interact, of course it's online, well apart from whenever I speak to people in 'a working class environment' and you see a lot of the same opinions. These people aren't measured for any polls, which is probably why brexit was a shock.

I know most average people don't give 2 hoots about Jones, but I never claimed them too, only it's another 'blow' for Labour and may have an impact on some level.

Yes but people expect the polls to narrow somewhat and then if they're out again it could be a little closer than people think, but I don't expect anything but a Labour win. It would be funny if they did get complacent and somehow didn't win though. I can't warm to Starmer much and don't see him as a particularly strong leader, but maybe a relatively boring politician is what we need, although is it about personality more and more these days.
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No, it won't. Because the people who follow Owen Jones already like him, or just follow him for the drama. They already don't like Starmer's Labour, and won't vote, and it won't matter because demographically the are overwhelmingly in university cities with huge Labour leads.

Go back and look at how Russell Brand endorsing Labour was covered in 2015. It was literally front page news in the newspapers. Did fuck all.
 
foggy said:
No, it won't. Because the people who follow Owen Jones already like him, or just follow him for the drama. They already don't like Starmer's Labour, and won't vote, and it won't matter because demographically the are overwhelmingly in university cities with huge Labour leads.

Go back and look at how Russell Brand endorsing Labour was covered in 2015. It was literally front page news in the newspapers. Did fuck all.
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If 200k people who were going to vote Labour now don't that's an impact, no matter the size and some follow people like that.

That was embarrassing with Brand, I'll go back and read his Booky wook immediately... He then later on... ' woke up' and has gone completely the other way and at least is thinking for himself, wheter he's right on things or not.
 
JJpool said:
If 200k people who were going to vote Labour now don't that's an impact, no matter the size and some follow people like that.

That was embarrassing with Brand, I'll go back and read his Booky wook immediately... He then later on... ' woke up' and has gone completely the other way and at least is thinking for himself, wheter he's right on things or not.
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But that won't happen and it will soon be obvious it hasn't.
 
He's a bellend but his reasoning is sound here, what is Starmer offering beyond a more competent version of what we have now?

I've read this a few times now, it says nothing.

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Get Britain building again – The Labour Party

Labour has set out five national missions that we will build our manifesto around and, if elected, drive everything we do in government.
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Lytham_fy8 said:
He's a bellend but his reasoning is sound here, what is Starmer offering beyond a more competent version of what we have now?

I've read this a few times now, it says nothing.

labour.org.uk

Get Britain building again – The Labour Party

Labour has set out five national missions that we will build our manifesto around and, if elected, drive everything we do in government.
labour.org.uk labour.org.uk
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I'll have a proper look and watch of that tomorrow, but it was embarrassing when one of his backbencher MPs admitted she didn't know what Labour stood for.

I mean FFS, if that was the Tories Wiz would have had to change his undercrackers 10 times due to excitement and the piss taking would have been epic.
 
Owen Jones is a good writer and I enjoy reading his stuff but here he is being self-indulgent. Also, whilst he is reasonably well known among the politically engaged sectors of society, his published disillusionment with Labour will cause no more than a ripple of interest among the wider electorate. I would say the same if Melanie Phillips declared her disillusionment with the Conservative Party.
 
I think Owen Jones is making a strategic career move.

He generates the most interest from attacking the incumbent government.

The next government will be a Labour one, so he needs to remain an outsider.

How he justifies it as a philosophical position is immaterial.
 
cside said:
I think Owen Jones is making a strategic career move.

He generates the most interest from attacking the incumbent government.

The next government will be a Labour one, so he needs to remain an outsider.

How he justifies it as a philosophical position is immaterial.
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... and there are, a hell of lot of posters on here who have enjoyed being able to do exactly the same for the last 14 years....it will interesting to see how they make the transition from attack to defence ...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He's a bellend but his reasoning is sound here, what is Starmer offering beyond a more competent version of what we have now?

I've read this a few times now, it says nothing.

labour.org.uk

Get Britain building again – The Labour Party

Labour has set out five national missions that we will build our manifesto around and, if elected, drive everything we do in government.
labour.org.uk labour.org.uk
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Not going into detail here but I think you're being disingenuous. I see those missions as a chance to really go for a green future, with strong jobs underpinning the transition.
 
he's often on the Jeremy Vine show and the following couple of programmes. Remainder removed.
 
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20togo said:
he's often on the Jeremy Vine show and the following couple of programmes. He's a good orator but he's so far up his own arse! As TTJ said where is that looney left commie that was Catinstalbans?
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The Cat was the greatest batsman that AVFTT has ever seen. He had his pooch pack on short leashes and would often take them for a walk around the block. Some of them are still pining for the legendary poster!
 
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Newholland said:
... and there are, a hell of lot of posters on here who have enjoyed being able to do exactly the same for the last 14 years....it will interesting to see how they make the transition from attack to defence ...
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It'll be interesting to see...

If support of the Blackpool Labour Party is anything to go by they get more support from me than many Labour voters.

If Labour were in during covid we'd have been locked down far more and far more damage done to kids etc, the economy and it still would have been an utter shit show.

No party would have come through that well.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I read that in the Guardian. I think he's being a prat. If he's not satisfied with the Labour Govt when they get in, so be it. At the.moment it just looks like sour (Corbynista) grapes.
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He shit the bed over Corbyn though. Wrote loads of whining pieces in the guardian about him then when it was apparent that his base readership likes Corbyn more than him wrote an about turn piece.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He's a bellend but his reasoning is sound here, what is Starmer offering beyond a more competent version of what we have now?

I've read this a few times now, it says nothing.

labour.org.uk

Get Britain building again – The Labour Party

Labour has set out five national missions that we will build our manifesto around and, if elected, drive everything we do in government.
labour.org.uk labour.org.uk
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I've watched all the videos for each of the 5 missions and read a bit too.

Some nice words etc, whether that'll transfer into good government who knows, as real world issues are always more difficult that talking about it.

I do like that they've put Blackpool at the end of their videos, as we all know it's the centre of the universe.

My only question is... if Labour are so good, why do so many Blackpool residents hate the Labour council and I mean hate and that'll be Labour supporters too.

I'm actually broadly behind what they're trying to do in Blackpool, which has actually been an effective partnership with the Conservative government with levelling up funding flowing in like never before. It probably helps having some MPs within the sitting government too. Plus the fact that Blackpool is an ideal test case for levelling up, because its so well know and has huge potential but some of the worst problems.

But the partnership has worked, where was the funding before 2010? Since then Blackpool has seen unprecedented money coming in even the council admit in the latest town prospects.

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For Blackpool at least, the current arrangement has just worked, so it raise questions about the Labour government before this. It also says that despite what some say about the tories, this levelling up fund has been beneficial.
 
Wants to be Labour’s great ‘thinker’ and has been throwing his toys out of the pram for a few years that no one takes him seriously. He’s no loss, and well past the point of being relevant.
 
foggy said:
No, it won't. Because the people who follow Owen Jones already like him, or just follow him for the drama. They already don't like Starmer's Labour, and won't vote, and it won't matter because demographically the are overwhelmingly in university cities with huge Labour leads.

Go back and look at how Russell Brand endorsing Labour was covered in 2015. It was literally front page news in the newspapers. Did fuck all.
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Spot on Fogg Jnr. Jones has probably recognised that his revenue will go up with this move. He's the same as all the other left or right 'rabble rousers' or politicos who 'dare to tell the truth' etc. etc.
 
straightatthewall said:
Spot on Fogg Jnr. Jones has probably recognised that his revenue will go up with this move. He's the same as all the other left or right 'rabble rousers' or politicos who 'dare to tell the truth' etc. etc.
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Speaking as a socialist myself, I have to say left wing/socialism loses a lot and it means a lot of people associated with it have become slightly obsessed with losing and therefore act like losers and get scared any time something good might be happening - especially if it means having to compromise slightly with centrism.

As ever, The Simpsons nailed it.

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Jones is a self obsessed knob! He blows whichever way the political wind does, he opposed Corbyn until Corbyn became popular and now he clearly sees some personal gain in opposing Starmer. I suspect he'll change his mind again at some point.

Move along, nothing to see here but a mainstream media political whore!
 
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