Personally I’d get next seasons manager in now

McC has to go tomorrow.. it's been a disaster..to have any chance of survival Dobbie has to be appointed manager to the end of the season..no point bringing any one new in.. Dobbie knows these players inside out
 
No point in appointing another manager until the end of the season, E.g. Holloway as some suggest, but I would replace MM as soon as the board can find a permanent replacement. Whoever it is will know we’re more than likely going down, so it’s no fault of his, and if he preformed a miracle he’ll be a hero. At least he’ll have time to plan.
 
It's all a bit weird announcing to all and sundry that the current manager wont be here next season anyways - especially when you look where we are and what we need.

Maybe I'm a bit behind on the news. Was this Common knowledge before the recent structured dialogue meeting. i
 
the specialone said:
Put Dobbie in there hes doing OK with the youngsters no good getting someone in who has been sacked a dozen times already get some fresh blood in and let them have a go cant be any worse than what were watching.
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Oh gawd here we go again. No thanks.


We need to ste the benchmark a little higher than ...
cant be any worse than what were watching
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surely?
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think he would and a bad start and we will be right back to where we are now. We need a completely new manager, I Ould like Wellen's as he has the connection, is a decent young manager and plays the game the right way, I am no expert on who could fit the bill so I will leave it to others to speculate, but as I said, it is a massive appointment.
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Try forgetting the 'connection' factor. After all it hasn't worked out very well so far has it?

Leave it to one side.

Who are the best candidates for the job, given the brief.
 
SlaveToTheRythm said:
It's all a bit weird announcing to all and sundry that the current manager wont be here next season anyways - especially when you look where we are and what we need.

Maybe I'm a bit behind on the news. Was this Common knowledge before the recent structured dialogue meeting. i
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Yes… It was pretty much confirmed when he was first appointed that it was to the end of the season only👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes… It was pretty much confirmed when he was first appointed that it was to the end of the season only👍
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Cheers. As I suspected then - appointed until the end of the season.

So where has the - he wont be here next season - come from

Strange statement? or Strange timing to make that statement.

Particularly if you want to motivate players, consider new contracts or in the players case, play for the manager/
 
SlaveToTheRythm said:
Cheers. As I suspected then - appointed until the end of the season.

So where has the - he wont be here next season - come from

Strange statement? or Strange timing to make that statement.

Particularly if you want to motivate players, consider new contracts or in the players case, play for the manager/
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I’m not sure what you mean?

It’s always been the case that he wasn’t going to be here next season. At the same time they announced him as the temporary manager, they also announced they were searching for the new manager 👍

I haven’t seen a statement?

There’s some reference to the search for the new manager in the minutes that I can see, but only scan read them.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure what you mean?

It’s always been the case that he wasn’t going to be here next season. At the same time they announced him as the temporary manager, they also announced they were searching for the new manager 👍

I haven’t seen a statement?

There’s some reference to the search for the new manager in the minutes that I can see, but only scan read them.
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It’s always been the case that he wasn’t going to be here next season. At the same time they announced him as the temporary manager, they also announced they were searching for the new manager 👍
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Right well that clears that up then. As I say further up I must have missed the announcement that we were searching at the same time.

In that case I can see even more why no one is 4sed then. He wont be here next year anyway.
 
SlaveToTheRythm said:
Right well that clears that up then. As I say further up I must have missed the announcement that we were searching at the same time.

In that case I can see even more why no one is 4sed then. He wont be here next year anyway.
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My understanding is that player contracts are linked to league status these days too. So (at least for our contracted players) there is a big financial implication for relegation. If nothing else that ought to give some incentive.

Personally, I think it’s more down to confidence (or lack of it) than anything else. Madine going off so early yesterday throws the game plan into the dustbin and even then we had a golden opportunity to go a goal in front… Take that easy chance and you potentially flip the outcome of the game.

I’m not sure how we recover that tbh… We’ve had a few false dawns now… They just don’t seem to be able to kick on and build on any decent results / performances.👎
 
Voice of Reason said:
Try forgetting the 'connection' factor. After all it hasn't worked out very well so far has it?

Leave it to one side.

Who are the best candidates for the job, given the brief.
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Why, we haven't even done 'the connection factor' yet.

All we've done is go back to old managers, which is usually bad news.

Grayson, did well with us decades ago, track record of promotion, but he had since turned into a dinosaur and was at pne too. Terrible appointment but at least he did something good here once.

Appleton, never did anything good here or anywhere else really, left us for a rival after no time at all and made us look stupid, was crap when here, dour, motionless, pne connection. This was far worse than the grayson appointment as he'd never done anything here but negatives.

So we haven’t even gone for 'the connection factor' yet.

An ex player is different to going back to an old manager, an ex player is a massively positive figure with only good things done for the club.

It's a huge difference.

Not saying we have to go that route, as someone new would work.

But you're making out we've already done it when we haven't. An ex player involved creates fan buy in, buzz and should sell more tickets if marketed right.
 
Spot on but Duff will be the next Burnley manager once Kompany moves on. He had a long career at Turf Moor and must have an eye on that job.
ThereisonlyoneChrisMalkin said:
I tell you who we absolutely missed the boat on……Michael Duff. He’s got Barnsley playing some great stuff and firing on all cylinders, they were useless when he took over.
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SlaveToTheRythm said:
It's all a bit weird announcing to all and sundry that the current manager wont be here next season anyways - especially when you look where we are and what we need.

Maybe I'm a bit behind on the news. Was this Common knowledge before the recent structured dialogue meeting. i
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He seems quite content to top his pension up with no risk or pressure to get results.
Easiest money him and his sidekick have had in their footy careers.
 
Previous posts suggest Mick is not staying beyond this season - bet he does if he keeps us up.
Hardly likely of course.
So it makes perfect sense to identify the new manager asap and get him to the club - even if it's alongside Mick and TC assessing the squad.
Problem is finding and poaching a new manager doesn't happen overnight, and if they start now, it'll take weeks anyway.
 
Matesrates said:
No point in appointing another manager until the end of the season, E.g. Holloway as some suggest, but I would replace MM as soon as the board can find a permanent replacement. Whoever it is will know we’re more than likely going down, so it’s no fault of his, and if he preformed a miracle he’ll be a hero. At least he’ll have time to plan.
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He will also know that the fans will have forgotten that by the start of next season, and if he doesn't make anything other than a near perfect start they'll be baying for him to be sacked as well.
 
YES ,GOOD IDEA. What is going on . How can you get a manager in before you know what div you are in . How can you get a manager in before you know what type of gate money is available . How can you get a manager in when they would know nothing about the squad and we only have 11 games left and 6 points off safety.

This actually got "likes" from people ,but I would love someone explain to me how this makes any sense. Yes ,you could say we are not playing good football and we already look relegated , but it still can't make sense to get a rushed manager in ,to a squad he does not know anything about ,with no knowledge of how much money he can spend. Even SS probably does not know the answer to that.

Come on ,if you are not on drugs ,an alcoholic or a 10 year old .Can someone explain the benefits of bringing in a new manager.
 
Michael Duff was mentioned as turning us down before Appleton came in. Not done a bad job turning Barnsley around from championship relegation fodder to serious Lge 1 promotion candidates in a short space of time. Any young Lge 1 managers out there in similar mode?
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Come on ,if you are not on drugs ,an alcoholic or a 10 year old .Can someone explain the benefits of bringing in a new manager.
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MM has had 9 league games, there are 10 league games to go, so if we sack MM now we've got just enough time to decide that whoever replaces him is a clueless imbecile and demand his sacking as well.
 
Mark_GT said:
Not so sure myself. People like these don't generally like to be associated with failure, and management is a stats driven game. Not everyone who could do a job would take this view but it could cost us the right person. I think we need to let this shambles of an on field season play itself out.
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The compromise is to appoint the new man now but keep Mick to the end of the season, so the new man has been watching behind the scenes, is involved with the release/keep conversations and can hit the ground running with recruitment.
 
Vince McLean said:
Previous posts suggest Mick is not staying beyond this season - bet he does if he keeps us up.
Hardly likely of course.
So it makes perfect sense to identify the new manager asap and get him to the club - even if it's alongside Mick and TC assessing the squad.
Problem is finding and poaching a new manager doesn't happen overnight, and if they start now, it'll take weeks anyway.
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If we stay up, Mick still leaves.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
YES ,GOOD IDEA. What is going on . How can you get a manager in before you know what div you are in . How can you get a manager in before you know what type of gate money is available . How can you get a manager in when they would know nothing about the squad and we only have 11 games left and 6 points off safety.

This actually got "likes" from people ,but I would love someone explain to me how this makes any sense. Yes ,you could say we are not playing good football and we already look relegated , but it still can't make sense to get a rushed manager in ,to a squad he does not know anything about ,with no knowledge of how much money he can spend. Even SS probably does not know the answer to that.

Come on ,if you are not on drugs ,an alcoholic or a 10 year old .Can someone explain the benefits of bringing in a new manager.
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Oh come on. I think we ALL know what division we are going to be in eh?

Try turning the tangerine tinted glasses down a notch or two.
 
Seaside Aggro said:
He’s in the French prem, at a club paying 22k every match he manages on top of his wage, being linked to the West Ham job, but you think he’s going to come to a club that’s just appointed Mick McCarthy (who applied and failed to get three other championship jobs) to replace Michael Appleton, who was mediocre in league one, following on from a manger paid so much he moved to be a cone fetcher at another team, who lost their cone fetcher to a club in our league, and that he’d then take having an experienced coach to babysit him? Seriously?
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I've no idea whether he would come here and what he is paid but he has expressed ambitions to coach in the Championship/Premier League. The West Ham link is just speculation because he is a self confessed West Ham fan, I would imagine someone like Michael Carrick and long list of other candidates would be ahead of him in the pecking order for that job unless they get relegated. It was ForeverTangerine who put Still's name forward and I thought he's got an interesting background like Eric Ramsay at Man U.
 
The thing is MM has been brought in to do a job and keep us in this league. He could still achieve this goal.
Come 5PM Saturday things could look very different. Yes I know it’s extremely unlikely but we have appointed him so we may aswell see it out.
If it becomes mathematically impossible then yeah we may aswell pay him off and get the new guy in for a few games.
Assuming we know who we are getting.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
YES ,GOOD IDEA. What is going on . How can you get a manager in before you know what div you are in . How can you get a manager in before you know what type of gate money is available . How can you get a manager in when they would know nothing about the squad and we only have 11 games left and 6 points off safety.

This actually got "likes" from people ,but I would love someone explain to me how this makes any sense. Yes ,you could say we are not playing good football and we already look relegated , but it still can't make sense to get a rushed manager in ,to a squad he does not know anything about ,with no knowledge of how much money he can spend. Even SS probably does not know the answer to that.

Come on ,if you are not on drugs ,an alcoholic or a 10 year old .Can someone explain the benefits of bringing in a new manager.
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You type like a 10 year old so I wouldn’t expect any decent replies. It’s already been explained. I’d suggest you’re not intelligent enough to waste time discussing with.
 
I believe the club will have it new Head Coach lined up well before the end of the season , working behind the scenes with the recruitment team . The said new Coach doesn’t need to be announced until MMs contract has expired.
 
They missed a golden opportunity with the World Cup break to cut their losses with Appleton, and appoint someone of the Critchley mould again. That was the "project" we were told about anyway, the manager would then have had a month with the squad and a few competitive matches before January.

Even if we ended up going down, the project is back on track and the manager is already in place with some of his players ready to hit the ground running in League One. Instead they waited too long and when they finally had to admit Appleton was the wrong man for the job, they've attempted a quick fix in McCarthy just to keep us up. Looks like he won't keep us up either, it's been mistake after mistake since Critchley left on part of the board.
 
I was reading something about this the other day. The main belief is that it’s better to wait until the end of the season and then to come in to a club ‘used’ to losing and start fresh, rather than carrying on. See Huddersfield and Norwich when they dropped from the Prem.
 
I’d wait and give the new manager a fresh slate going into a new season. I wouldn’t want them to be associated with the negativity of this season and I’d like them to be able to bring in some of their own players.

I’ve written off this season, looking forward to next season already and I think we’ll do well.
 
Agree with Kurt on this.
We need to afford the new manager an early-enough opportunity to give him/ her/them a chance to assess what we've got and what we'll need to do to get where we want to be.
Cling on to false hope all we like, but realistically that's a return to the Championship after next season. We don't deserve to stay up as it stands.

Much as I was dismayed by the manner of his departure, I loved the journey on which he took us beforehand, although Id would always be worried, were NC to be invited back, that he'd be off again, should a more lucrative offer arise.

Any thoughts on a former League One Manager of the Year, Liam Richardson?
 
Just posted on another thread, getting a manager in now is pointless, we need a fresh manager lined up to crack on as soon as the season finishes.
If he’s already lined up he can watch who is and who isn’t good enough for next season.
To come in and try turn things around this season is onto a loser straight away especially when our fickle fans want instant results
 
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