Players missing yesterday

straightatthewall

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I think the biggest concern for me is that we are signing players in critical positions now and in certain cases, it’s clear the players need to get their fitness levels up. This naturally creates questions over the recruitment that took place during the summer. Are Mansford and Johnson not listening to NC’s needs or is NC weak/uncertain of what sort of player he really needs. It does seem strange that when we’ve been crying out a strong midfielder for ages and when we sign someone who fits the bill he’s apparently not match fit.

I have some sympathy for Critchley as the way last season ended meant he had no chance to work with the original squad and push his ideas across. Perhaps he’d also have a much better idea of what he needs at this level compared to what he’s been used to. And he could have saved himself a lot of chopping and changing.
 

clappers

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If Dougall was released in June and if he was of genuine interest a month ago it seems a little unusual not to invite him to train even if they were discussing a deal? Has to be another Knee jerk I think. Awaits further accusations of negativity for the sake of it....
 

straightatthewall

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If Dougall was released in June and if he was of genuine interest a month ago it seems a little unusual not to invite him to train even if they were discussing a deal? Has to be another Knee jerk I think. Awaits further accusations of negativity for the sake of it....
Hard not to see it this way.
 

Seainsea

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If Dougall was released in June and if he was of genuine interest a month ago it seems a little unusual not to invite him to train even if they were discussing a deal? Has to be another Knee jerk I think. Awaits further accusations of negativity for the sake of it....
Probably more to do with other priorities and salary demands. If he was on Championship wages last season there is no way he is going to command the same wage in L1. Covid and the lock down may have also limited where out of contract players can train or not.

I am not sure how things stand with players who are without a club. Is there still the possibility of signing non-contracted players outside of the transfer window?
 

Hazi

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See my reply to TTP. To expand. I think we've got serious problems with the centre of our defence. As much as we've got problems with our front three, not necessarily the personnel there, but how to get the best out of them, it's different with the heart of defence. The basic skills of a a central defender are about positional sense and awareness. We are conceding soft goals and chances and that needs addressing asap. Basically, I think it's much easier to slot in a central defender than a midfield or forward player. I know it's an extreme example but it's the point I'm making, if we signed a 10 million pound centre half because it was needed, you'd put him straight in. You wouldn't wait a month for him to train and get used to the players and the system. So if Ballard and Greta are good enough, get 'em in.
Most top teams will spend a lot more than 10mill then integrate them in training before throwing them in!
 

clappers

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Probably more to do with other priorities and salary demands. If he was on Championship wages last season there is no way he is going to command the same wage in L1. Covid and the lock down may have also limited where out of contract players can train or not.

I am not sure how things stand with players who are without a club. Is there still the possibility of signing non-contracted players outside of the transfer window?
Good post. Not sure myself but what you say could have been the reason. Either way he fits the bill for me.
 

20togo

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Most top teams will spend a lot more than 10mill then integrate them in training before throwing them in!
but we are not a top team and my point had nothing to do with top teams at all. My point was simply about a player being ready to come in who will improve us. A ten million pound player would do that. If we signed Messi would you want to integrate him in training or would you put him straight in? I said I'd have put a centre half straight in. We had Ballard available and match fit. He's a central defender, surely he knows what his role in the team is. The principle is the same.
 

voyeur

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but we are not a top team and my point had nothing to do with top teams at all. My point was simply about a player being ready to come in who will improve us. A ten million pound player would do that. If we signed Messi would you want to integrate him in training or would you put him straight in? I said I'd have put a centre half straight in. We had Ballard available and match fit. He's a central defender, surely he knows what his role in the team is. The principle is the same.

" He wouldn't let it lie... "
 

20togo

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" He wouldn't let it lie... "
Is that a snipe Voy? Hazi replied to a post of mine. Should I not be able to reply and clarify my point.
Anyway I notice you selected Woodburn too. So you were throwing him straight in.
Seems in some peoples view there's a rule that no one can go straight into to the team until he's been integrated into training.
 

voyeur

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Is that a snipe Voy? Hazi replied to a post of mine. Should I not be able to reply and clarify my point.
Anyway I notice you selected Woodburn too. So you were throwing him straight in.
Seems in some peoples view there's a rule that no one can go straight into to the team until he's been integrated into training.
Lighten up for god's sake.
 

BFC_53

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It's to be hoped the players speak to each other better than the fans do on this forum.

Can I just remind everyone that we're on the same side? If people are getting this tetchy after six games, god help you if we're still in this position at the end of the season.
 
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