Pogba being offered 400kgbp a week contract

Macseasider said:
For me he seems to be the epicentre of all that is wrong at United right now.
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Not sure he's the epicentre. If he left, the epicentre would still be there I reckon. He's probably the big red flashing light outside the epicentre.
 
SeasideKurt said:
They had issues before Pogba. Their senior leadership is ** rank.

Bad big money signings.
Bad manager selections.
Lack of investment into the correct areas.
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All down to Ed Woodward for the past 8 years... without challenging in the Prem.
Ed Woodward - a Bristol Univ accountant, developed at PriceWaterhouseCoopers and a rugby fan - is stepping down at the end of February and is being replaced by...
Richard Arnold - a Bristol Univ accountant, ex-PriceWaterhouseCoopers and a rugby fan.

The new boss is the same as the old boss. So why do they expect things to change? At least the commercial sponsorship deals may continue to flow. They will need to, to balance the £1 BILLION spaffed away on transfer fees and wages in the last 8 years.
 
He wouldn't be worth that even if he was their best player and playing well. Completely foolish and financially unsustainable. No wonder they and others wanted to cream off more income in a ESL 👎
 
What on earth are they thinking of. Constant drama . Poor performances. Stories being cooked up by his agent. Get rid.

They need to move on from this guy and should have done years ago.
 
The canary scarves will be out again middle of next season. They’ve got a massive wage bill, spent eye watering amounts on players yet have now spent a decade in the shadow of City, Chelsea and Liverpool.

The fans protest was a total joke.
 
voyeur said:
Not sure he's the epicentre. If he left, the epicentre would still be there I reckon. He's probably the big red flashing light outside the epicentre.
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the problem is the owners, I siad on here a long time ago that The glazier family are doing much the same as the oystons did at Pool. Whereas the Oystons were entirely concerned with the property of BFC, the Glaziers' sole occupation is advertising and sponsorship revenue.
 
Having taught a young Phil Jones (Not sure I've ever mentioned that on here🤔) I was pleased to see his return go well for him. Regardless of perceived lack of ability, he gives his all and certainly doesn't stroll around or moan at others when things aren't working. Utd have a lot of players like that at the moment, gifted footballers but hearts the size of a pea.
 
foggy said:
First time I've heard calling a decision to release a player for free who was later sold for £90m as 'right'.
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But from a football perspective he's right. This will sound harsh, but Pogba could be a poster boy for all that's wrong with modern football. An undoubted world class talent that delivers so much less than the sum of his parts. Every bit of evidence around his club career should tell a club not to bother, yet there will always be a few lining up to chuck a fortune at him. Compare him and his work ethic and performances with the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Modric, Iniesta, Xavi or even English guys like Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Henderson, Scholes and Giggs and they're a million miles apart.
 
straightatthewall said:
But from a football perspective he's right. This will sound harsh, but Pogba could be a poster boy for all that's wrong with modern football. An undoubted world class talent that delivers so much less than the sum of his parts. Every bit of evidence around his club career should tell a club not to bother, yet there will always be a few lining up to chuck a fortune at him. Compare him and his work ethic and performances with the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Modric, Iniesta, Xavi or even English guys like Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Henderson, Scholes and Giggs and they're a million miles apart
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If Paul Pogba is everything wrong with football the sport is clearly in a fantastic place.
 
Mark_GT said:
He does a great dance when he scores though. Surely that must count for something in this day and age? 😗
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He does a little dance and dyes his hair and has fun and these are the worst things in the world for people who fundamentally just dislike football

Everywhere I look online, or if I overhear people talking about football, it appears to me people just do not like football - outside of their own team.
 
foggy said:
He does a little dance and dyes his hair and has fun and these are the worst things in the world for people who fundamentally just dislike football

Everywhere I look online, or if I overhear people talking about football, it appears to me people just do not like football - outside of their own team.
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To be fair, Beckham had all kinds of hair 'styles', tattoos, Spice girl wife, had fun etc and was probably the forerunner of the modern footballer and their image. The difference was, he trained hard, and put in 100% effort every time he was on the pitch, along with having some talent which brought him success.
 
foggy said:
He does a little dance and dyes his hair and has fun and these are the worst things in the world for people who fundamentally just dislike football

Everywhere I look online, or if I overhear people talking about football, it appears to me people just do not like football - outside of their own team.
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He does not even justify a starting position in the side. If Utd pay up who else will they need to give parity to?
I do like football outside my own team, but people like Pogba are not role models, they are destroying the game from within
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Having taught a young Phil Jones (Not sure I've ever mentioned that on here🤔) I was pleased to see his return go well for him. Regardless of perceived lack of ability, he gives his all and certainly doesn't stroll around or moan at others when things aren't working. Utd have a lot of players like that at the moment, gifted footballers but hearts the size of a pea.
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I thought Jones was one of Manure's better performing players the other evsening.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
To be fair, Beckham had all kinds of hair 'styles', tattoos, Spice girl wife, had fun etc and was probably the forerunner of the modern footballer and their image. The difference was, he trained hard, and put in 100% effort every time he was on the pitch, along with having some talent which brought him success.
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David Beckham got slaughtered for all that stuff. He got stuck with the prima donna tag most of his career.
 
foggy said:
If Paul Pogba is everything wrong with football the sport is clearly in a fantastic place.
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There's lots of great things to enjoy in football and unlike some, I don't see the money as a bad thing. For the record, I've no problems with Paul Pogba picking up a massive salary for under performing. And he DOES under perform compared his huge amount of talent. It's the clubs that keep spending on players like him that are at 'fault'.
 
foggy said:
David Beckham got slaughtered for all that stuff. He got stuck with the prima donna tag most of his career.
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He did but he answered critics in the best way, on the pitch with performances. From Eng;and fans burning his effigy after being sent off, to single-handedly dragging England over the qualifying line against Greece, he showed he had the steel and application to be a great player. Not to mention the silverware and European success with Utd.
 
foggy said:
David Beckham got slaughtered for all that stuff. He got stuck with the prima donna tag most of his career.
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He did, but as Junior says, you could at least see that he was 100% professional in his performances. Total effort all the time and in a lot of cases, his ability was underrated (probably) because of all the sideshow.
 
straightatthewall said:
There's lots of great things to enjoy in football and unlike some, I don't see the money as a bad thing. For the record, I've no problems with Paul Pogba picking up a massive salary for under performing. And he DOES under perform compared his huge amount of talent. It's the clubs that keep spending on players like him that are at 'fault'.
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The money is meaningless by this point to me, I really don't have a reaction to these crazy figures. It's lost all meaning. But Pogba was great at Juve and maybe if United get a real manager then he can be again
 
foggy said:
The money is meaningless by this point to me, I really don't have a reaction to these crazy figures. It's lost all meaning. But Pogba was great at Juve and maybe if United get a real manager then he can be again
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I agree with you regarding the money. I have no issue with the massive sums the players get. They are the ones that generate the revenue and should be the ones that benefit from it.

I'll have to disagree re PP. I see an enormous talent that lets himself down through an obvious lack of effort and care. He's miles away from the world's top players despite having all the attributes to be right up there with the best. That can only come down to one person in the end.
 
straightatthewall said:
I agree with you regarding the money. I have no issue with the massive sums the players get. They are the ones that generate the revenue and should be the ones that benefit from it.

I'll have to disagree re PP. I see an enormous talent that lets himself down through an obvious lack of effort and care. He's miles away from the world's top players despite having all the attributes to be right up there with the best. That can only come down to one person in the end.
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Agreed with market forces, and the players get the money clubs are willing to spend. Pogba has maybe had too much success too young - if you look at his honours list, on paper he's had a hugely successful career. If he had the same consistency as Ronaldo, who knows what else he'd have achieved:
Juventus[236]

Manchester United

France U20

France

 
coppiceman said:
You have to be joking, surely? The man cares about nobody but himself, can't be trusted to work for his team, turns in one good performance every Preston Guild and is constantly looking for the next move.
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Constantly looking for the next move? He's 28 and played for 2 clubs.
 
foggy said:
Constantly looking for the next move? He's 28 and played for 2 clubs.
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And I read newspaper speculation about his future every year without fail. I wonder where they get their stories from?

He's not even that good a player. Great athlete when he can be bothered (which isn't often), very poor tactical awareness, liable to go missing when the chips are down.
 
coppiceman said:
And I read newspaper speculation about his future every year without fail. I wonder where they get their stories from?

He's not even that good a player. Great athlete when he can be bothered (which isn't often), very poor tactical awareness, liable to go missing when the chips are down.
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Ah yes, red top newspaper transfer gossip. Definitely the great bastions of truth telling and reporting.
 
Archibald Knox said:
All down to Ed Woodward for the past 8 years... without challenging in the Prem.
Ed Woodward - a Bristol Univ accountant, developed at PriceWaterhouseCoopers and a rugby fan - is stepping down at the end of February and is being replaced by...
Richard Arnold - a Bristol Univ accountant, ex-PriceWaterhouseCoopers and a rugby fan.

The new boss is the same as the old boss. So why do they expect things to change? At least the commercial sponsorship deals may continue to flow. They will need to, to balance the £1 BILLION spaffed away on transfer fees and wages in the last 8 years.
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On what basis is any of it down to Woodward out of interest? Does he coach the players?
 
coppiceman said:
And I read newspaper speculation about his future every year without fail. I wonder where they get their stories from?

He's not even that good a player. Great athlete when he can be bothered (which isn't often), very poor tactical awareness, liable to go missing when the chips are down.
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Only at United has that been the case.
 
coppiceman said:
And I read newspaper speculation about his future every year without fail. I wonder where they get their stories from?

He's not even that good a player. Great athlete when he can be bothered (which isn't often), very poor tactical awareness, liable to go missing when the chips are down.
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Pogba is class.
 
How times have changed. I remember a story Morty told about when he went to see Joe Smith to complain that Stan Matthews was getting £20 per week in the close season while he was only getting £10. Joe Smith said “ He gets more because he’s a better player than you.” Morty replied” Not in the bloody summer he is’nt !” 😜
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Having taught a young Phil Jones (Not sure I've ever mentioned that on here🤔) I was pleased to see his return go well for him. Regardless of perceived lack of ability, he gives his all and certainly doesn't stroll around or moan at others when things aren't working. Utd have a lot of players like that at the moment, gifted footballers but hearts the size of a pea.
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JBPS - for me if they had a team full of players with PJ's attitude, they would have won something by now. Ive seen PJ put his head in the way of an incoming boot, to stop a chance. Would rather have him than 10 feckin Paul Pogbas.
 
OneStepBeyond said:
On what basis is any of it down to Woodward out of interest? Does he coach the players?
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He has selected the last 4 managers (failed) and has played a very active role in choosing which players to get in. One BILLION quid spent on the playing side during EW’s tenure. The latest and most prominent example being CR7, at £500k/week, who OGS did not even want. Woodward insisted on contracting CR7 simply because it was possible that City would get him, so he panicked at how he thought the ManU fans would react. I think City/Guardiola (and maybe CR7’s agent) played him for a fool. Even if CR7 is still quality at 37 yo, he is not what they needed to build for the future.

Lastly, EW has been very vocal to the media about ManU’s playing style, “tradition of entertainment” and trophy history, even talking over his manager about such things. If all that is not being “involved” in the playing side, then what is? Though to be a little more fair, he has really just been the Glazers’ puppet throughout, siphoning out the dividends. As long as that continued the playing side was secondary.

... just as Kurt and Costero said.
 
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foggy said:
Constantly looking for the next move? He's 28 and played for 2 clubs.
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His agent has repeatedly released statements to the European press that Pogba has shown 'interest' in moves to Real, Barca and PSG. So as his agent represents him, the obvious inclination is he is constantly looking for a move.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
His agent has repeatedly released statements to the European press that Pogba has shown 'interest' in moves to Real, Barca and PSG. So as his agent represents him, the obvious inclination is he is constantly looking for a move.
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Sounds like his agent is doing a good job of landing him a big contract offer.
 
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