Policing

Away fans should definitely be kept in for 5 minutes to clear home fans. Came straight out on full time with my youngest and there was already a mob of 20 away fans at the lights on St Annes Road waiting to have a pop at home fans
 
I said after the Middlesboro game that this is an accident waiting to happen.
And again today there were definite flashpoints after the game, from both sets of supporters.

The SLO said he would bring it up with the police after the Rotherham game, but the thread has strangely been removed, and there has been no update.

If Cardiff had lost the game or we gained a late equaliser, it would have been much more volatile.

ToryCorner came up with the best solution for after the game, but as I say, the thread was removed.
 
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Definitely needs to be a huge presence on Bloomfield Road if they're going to allow it to become a free for all which it could've been after the game today. Plenty of Welsh fans taunting us, in our faces and hoping for a rise but mostly meeting restrained families keen to avoid trouble.....needs addressing
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
I said after the Rotherham game that this is an accident waiting to happen.
And again today there were definite flashpoints from both sets of supporters.


The SLO said he would bring it up with the police after the Rotherham game, but the thread has been removed, and there has been no update.

If Cardiff had lost the game or we gained a late equaliser, it would have been much voatile.

ToryCorner came up with the best solution after the game, but as I say, the thread was removed.
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When did we play Rotherham?
 
Thought there was not enough police at the match. Considering the numbers looking for trouble (on both sides) the police did very well to keep the lid on things. They have got to have a plan B - walking them up Bloomfield Road is not possibly the best operational match day decision. Having said that there were a lot of wannabe hooligans (old and young) who need to calm down a bit as it’s going to ruin the match day experience for the majority.
 
coppiceman said:
Funny how 99% of us manage to go to and from a game without problems. And the same minority seems to be bleating on here every time.
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Must admit I didn’t see any problems. The Cardiff fans seemed quiet after the game. Saw the police outside the Armfield but no issues.
 
Maybe somebody with better knowledge than me of how policing football matches works in terms of the tiers/levels of policing required for a particular game who advises or even dictates what level of policing is required (the council,the club,the league,or the police themselves?) and what these tiers/levels of policing cost the club.

Its just that it does seem a strange decision from the police to be walking the away supporters directly past the home fans pub.
 
Seasideforever said:
Cops sat in their cars while fans go head to head on Bloomfield road,what do we pay them for ? Someone is going to get seriously hurt unless something is done .
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If it’s the ones having a ruck who cares if if they get hurt. Police doing the right thing sat in the car, just waiting to pick up the pieces.
locking away fans in has always baffled me, why we don’t do it is a strange one.
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
I said after the Middlesboro game that this is an accident waiting to happen.
And again today there were definite flashpoints after the game, from both sets of supporters.

The SLO said he would bring it up with the police after the Rotherham game, but the thread has strangely been removed, and there has been no update.

If Cardiff had lost the game or we gained a late equaliser, it would have been much more volatile.

ToryCorner came up with the best solution for after the game, but as I say, the thread was removed.
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And I did. Holding fans back inside the ground is tantamount to kettling and infringes human rights. The club cannot detain them. Once they are off the stadium footprint the police have the responsibility for keeping the public peace. They were briefed about possible flashpoints (the club can only advise) and their presence was stepped up today. Fans also have the responsibility to behave sensibly. How each dispersal goes is always reviewed.
 
SLO_BFC said:
And I did. Holding fans back inside the ground is tantamount to kettling and infringes human rights. The club cannot detain them. Once they are off the stadium footprint the police have the responsibility for keeping the public peace. They were briefed about possible flashpoints (the club can only advise) and their presence was stepped up today. Fans also have the responsibility to behave sensibly. How each dispersal goes is always reviewed.
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There you have it. The club is doing what it can, and they can't force the idiots to behave.
 
Got stuck in the traffic near the Armfield with police in the road, couldn’t see what was happening, but eventually did a three pointer.
 
SLO_BFC said:
And I did. Holding fans back inside the ground is tantamount to kettling and infringes human rights. The club cannot detain them. Once they are off the stadium footprint the police have the responsibility for keeping the public peace. They were briefed about possible flashpoints (the club can only advise) and their presence was stepped up today. Fans also have the responsibility to behave sensibly. How each dispersal goes is always reviewed.
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Tantamount to kettling and infringing on human rights makes me laugh. Can you imagine that attitude back in the 80's?
 
Why would you keep fans locked in it doesn't happen on our travels.
It makes us look like a right bunch of idiots that we can't control what happens outside.

We have an element who want a ruck as do most clubs but that needs better organising not the rest of the football world thinking we are bunch of thugs when their kept behind.
 
BFC_Aspie said:
I'm sure the nobbers have kept our fans in Dumpdale for 10-15 minutes after the match during derbies.
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That's a bitter rival not Cardiff or Middlesbrough FFS you want to do that every home game, I've never heard that ever before it shouldn't happen.
 
Joke to let the fans walk that way past the armfield like that. Quite a lot of punches thrown and a few arrests made from what I saw. Needs addressing before anything serious happens
 
I don’t see the point in keeping the fans in the ground for 10 minutes or 2 hours, if you haven’t got a coach to catch & you fancy a kick off then you’ll wait, let’s face it when we play Preston the trouble starts around 10am for 12 or more hours
 
basilexile said:
Perhaps those of long in the tooth should bring a class action for all those hours of infringement of human rights. It could be a nice little earner.
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Wait until we go to the Hawthorns and we're directed on a two mile diversion away from the ground. What about my human rights?😉
 
SLO_BFC said:
And I did. Holding fans back inside the ground is tantamount to kettling and infringes human rights. The club cannot detain them. Once they are off the stadium footprint the police have the responsibility for keeping the public peace. They were briefed about possible flashpoints (the club can only advise) and their presence was stepped up today. Fans also have the responsibility to behave sensibly. How each dispersal goes is always reviewed.
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Was this challenged at all? Or just taken at face value? Seems like this goes on up and down the country every week; must be some serious HR breaches knocking about with that.
 
SLO_BFC said:
And I did. Holding fans back inside the ground is tantamount to kettling and infringes human rights. The club cannot detain them. Once they are off the stadium footprint the police have the responsibility for keeping the public peace. They were briefed about possible flashpoints (the club can only advise) and their presence was stepped up today. Fans also have the responsibility to behave sensibly. How each dispersal goes is always reviewed.
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Well yesterday’s review would be a solid 1 out of 10.

“Infringes human rights”… I must have been asleep for the past 18 months then.

It really isn’t hard to escort them on a route away from the Armfield. Judging by some of the coppers though yesterday it’s like they wanted it to happen. Clueless.
 
Unless something is done to re-route away fans from the stadium, this is going to get worse because the mindless thugs will see the police halfheartedly getting involved and think they can carry on. More idiots will join in and someone will quite possibly die.

The club need an urgent meeting with police to discuss how best to stop this and those arrested should have maximum penalties imposed as a deterrent. My brother had his 9 year old grandson with him, it’s frightening for the lad.
 
Hi Steve (SLO) - you are not entirely correct about holding back fans or ‘kettling’. If there is a serious likelihood of disorder, the tactic may be proportionate. As a consequence, it may be a legitimate interference with human rights. See https://www.hja.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Kettling-What-Does-The-Law-Say.pdf
Having said that, I’m not sure it would have been justified for yesterday’s match ( PNE at Home might be one where it is justified but again this would be subject to what has happened before and during the match and what information the police have on planned post match violence) I think the club and police need to work out whether there are alternative routes from the away end exit that reduce opportunities for confrontation. I think after the experience of the Boro and Cardiff matches this is probably worth exploring a little bit further.

This is not a pop at you Steve as I think you are an excellent SLO.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Well yesterday’s review would be a solid 1 out of 10.

“Infringes human rights”… I must have been asleep for the past 18 months then.

It really isn’t hard to escort them on a route away from the Armfield. Judging by some of the coppers though yesterday it’s like they wanted it to happen. Clueless.
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I don’t think anyone can honestly believe the police wanted it to happen. They were heavily outnumbered and many could have easily got hurt. Do you really believe they wanted to be surrounded by fans and assaulted? Considering the intent of a few supporters (on both sides) I thought they did very well to minimise the confrontations and many of the lone cops actions took some courage. I think it’s a legitimate question to ask about policing numbers and deployments.
 
Seasiderbrummie said:
I don’t think anyone can honestly believe the police wanted it to happen. They were heavily outnumbered and many could have easily got hurt. Do you really believe they wanted to be surrounded by fans and assaulted? Considering the intent of a few supporters (on both sides) I thought they did very well to minimise the confrontations and many of the lone cops actions took some courage. I think it’s a legitimate question to ask about policing numbers and deployments.
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No I don’t think they wanted to be assaulted but there’s a few simple steps to ensure it doesn’t happen, which they didn’t do.
 
One suggestion might be to "encourage" or suggest that some home fans in the south can exit around the south west corner and out through Q, ending up on Seasiders Way behind the West, giving less opportunity for confrontation and congestion on Bloomfield Road.
 
A lot of pool fans park on the streets off bloomfield rd so end up walking past the away fans as it stands there are going to be flash points.
 
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