Politics has gone (even more!) mad....

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Labour are questioning the Tory’s on spending and asking them to justify how they will pay for it.....

.....and they are right!!!!

Boris will bankrupt (if not already) the UK at this rate.

We have an inept Tory government with Labour spending policies.
 
Labour are questioning the Tory’s on spending and asking them to justify how they will pay for it.....

.....and they are right!!!!

Boris will bankrupt (if not already) the UK at this rate.

We have an inept Tory government with Labour spending policies.

Every country is in the same boat.
 
Labour are questioning the Tory’s on spending and asking them to justify how they will pay for it.....

.....and they are right!!!!

Boris will bankrupt (if not already) the UK at this rate.

We have an inept Tory government with Labour spending policies.

I'm not a fan of this administration, but I think the policy announcements we have seen this week are very much along the right lines :

  • there its a strong green element
  • there is a significant attempt to start diversifying the economy
  • a strong emphasis on high-skill jobs
  • an attempt to look at our longer-term strategic needs rather than just the next five minutes
  • some good politics in that a good deal of this is aimed at key audiences outside TTL

And if you think £16.5 billion is more than a drop in the ocean, then you haven't been paying attention. My only gripe is that I think they need to spend more and aim far higher on cyber-security.
 
Labour are questioning the Tory’s on spending and asking them to justify how they will pay for it.....

.....and they are right!!!!

Boris will bankrupt (if not already) the UK at this rate.

We have an inept Tory government with Labour spending policies.
Goes to show how the public have been conned by the err....cons and the media who have ridiculed every Labour manifesto as being a spending disaster and not possible.
 
Time to start looking beyond party politics and getting back to a unified and selfless way of administration, and I think we're some way off.
These capital projects are fine coming from the government presently, but for me there's an element of tokenism about it and a reactionary policy when people point out any shortfalls.

Anyway I think I've given up after seeing the country shift to a Brexit polarised position, and for now we get the government we deserve.
 
I'm not a fan of this administration, but I think the policy announcements we have seen this week are very much along the right lines :

  • there its a strong green element
  • there is a significant attempt to start diversifying the economy
  • a strong emphasis on high-skill jobs
  • an attempt to look at our longer-term strategic needs rather than just the next five minutes
  • some good politics in that a good deal of this is aimed at key audiences outside TTL

And if you think £16.5 billion is more than a drop in the ocean, then you haven't been paying attention. My only gripe is that I think they need to spend more and aim far higher on cyber-security.
My main point was that we seem to have had a complete reversal of roles between Tory and Labour.

Spending more on Cybersecurity is a must but we don’t have the money to increase budgets at the moment - so take from elsewhere and that maybe the aid budget - I just wish they where upfront about it.

The green stuff is an absolute necessity for multiple reasons!!!!
 
Time to start looking beyond party politics and getting back to a unified and selfless way of administration, and I think we're some way off.
These capital projects are fine coming from the government presently, but for me there's an element of tokenism about it and a reactionary policy when people point out any shortfalls.

Anyway I think I've given up after seeing the country shift to a Brexit polarised position, and for now we get the government we deserve.
Capital projects are vital but must deliver on several levels, short, medium and long term, must generate income for the UK and not for the French or Chinese, for example, and must be fairly sourced ie contracts not handed to companies that some Tory called Sir Reginald Toptoff does 10 mins a month consultancy work for £1m pa.

A big danger (in general times) is big money is spent on false schemes which are essentially job protection, or false creation, neither of which is long term.

A better navy or cybersecurity? The answer is obvious long term, but less so short term.
 
I'm not a fan of this administration, but I think the policy announcements we have seen this week are very much along the right lines :

  • there its a strong green element
  • there is a significant attempt to start diversifying the economy
  • a strong emphasis on high-skill jobs
  • an attempt to look at our longer-term strategic needs rather than just the next five minutes
  • some good politics in that a good deal of this is aimed at key audiences outside TTL

And if you think £16.5 billion is more than a drop in the ocean, then you haven't been paying attention. My only gripe is that I think they need to spend more and aim far higher on cyber-security.
I think in light of recent news it will be quite wise to keep an eye on who's getting the contracts, call me cynical, but I'm always dubious of spending announcements.
 
Christ this is painful.
Lock us down, don't spend money etc etc. Yet never a discussion around what Labour would actually do during this time? Always pointing fingers. Never delivering answers. Unelectable again.
Labour are not in office. We don't have referendums at each decision point to see what both sides would do. The electorate put the Conservatives in for five years. Therefore, it is they who must be answerable for their decisions, not the opposition.
 
£16.5 Billion. I bet the consultants are wetting themselves.
BoJo has certainly been taking lessons from OO on the use of “Promenade” companies.
Promenade Defence Consultants Ltd - AKA Joffrey, the man with the golden gun 🤣 🤣
 
Christ this is painful.
Lock us down, don't spend money etc etc. Yet never a discussion around what Labour would actually do during this time? Always pointing fingers. Never delivering answers. Unelectable again.

I suppose Annaliese Dodd will be telling everyone how the government is not spending enough/spending too much/not spending quickly enough/spending too too quickly. It must be frustrating for a political party that doesn't govern anything.
 
Labour are not in office. We don't have referendums at each decision point to see what both sides would do. The electorate put the Conservatives in for five years. Therefore, it is they who must be answerable for their decisions, not the opposition.
Do we have an opposition? That is the problem! An engaged opposition helps to keep a government on their toes and make them account for their actions. Tory infighting has had a greater roll to play than the Labour party in the last three parliaments.
 
Conservative Home Secretary Amber Rudd said there is "no magic money tree" to spend on food banks and welfare. Obviously there was. How much did Boris spend on a world class tarck and trace system and dodgy PPE. 🤔
 
Conservative Home Secretary Amber Rudd said there is "no magic money tree" to spend on food banks and welfare. Obviously there was. How much did Boris spend on a world class tarck and trace system and dodgy PPE. 🤔
and how much was he not prepared to spend on Manchester when they were being moved up to Tier 3.
And why did he whip his Party into voting against funding Christmas holiday school meals - a whip that the vast majority of his MPs did not need in order to ensure that poor children would not be...what was the expression? oh yes, 'nationalised.'
 
Do we have an opposition? That is the problem! An engaged opposition helps to keep a government on their toes and make them account for their actions. Tory infighting has had a greater roll to play than the Labour party in the last three parliaments.
Labour, under Keir Starmer, has given support to the Government only to have his suggestions completely ignored by Johnson and Hancock whilst they are prepared to lie in the face of reality. Today it was Hancock saying at his daily Covid presser that the Government had put a protective ring around care homes right from the start of the Pandemic.
How can the Official Opposition hold a Government to account when that Government tells such barefaced lies and refuses to listen to legitimate and practical suggestions?
 
Labour, under Keir Starmer, has given support to the Government only to have his suggestions completely ignored by Johnson and Hancock whilst they are prepared to lie in the face of reality ... How can the Official Opposition hold a Government to account when that Government tells such barefaced lies and refuses to listen to legitimate and practical suggestions

Keir Starmer said he supports the additional funding on defence but claimed the Prime Minister's spending announcement lacked strategy.
Boris rightly pointed out that Starmer had campaigned until December last year to install a PM who wanted to scrap our armed services and come out of NATO. Once again, the opposition leader changes his mind to suit the occasion: Brexit? defence? Lockdown? does anyone know what his policies are?
 
and how much was he not prepared to spend on Manchester when they were being moved up to Tier 3.
And why did he whip his Party into voting against funding Christmas holiday school meals - a whip that the vast majority of his MPs did not need in order to ensure that poor children would not be...what was the expression? oh yes, 'nationalised.'
And now the Tory press have started their insidious campaign against Rashford.
 
Keir Starmer said he supports the additional funding on defence but claimed the Prime Minister's spending announcement lacked strategy.
Boris rightly pointed out that Starmer had campaigned until December last year to install a PM who wanted to scrap our armed services and come out of NATO. Once again, the opposition leader changes his mind to suit the occasion: Brexit? defence? Lockdown? does anyone know what his policies are?
Leaving aside the FACTS that there was absolutely nothing in the 2017 and 2019 Labour manifestos about leaving NATO or scrapping the armed forces, Keir Starmer supported his, then, Party leader. Not quite in the Johnson vein that is it? Voting against his leader (and Prime Minister) three times in order to have her ousted from the job so that he could take over. You'll note that Keir Starmer didn't stoop to such self-centred and underhand tactics when he took over the Labour leadership.
But, back to the point of Keir Starmer's that you yourself mentioned: that of Johnson's Defence spending plans lacking strategy. You didn't even deal with that.
 
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and how much was he not prepared to spend on Manchester when they were being moved up to Tier 3.
And why did he whip his Party into voting against funding Christmas holiday school meals - a whip that the vast majority of his MPs did not need in order to ensure that poor children would not be...what was the expression? oh yes, 'nationalised.'
Two week delay for the sake of £5 million
 
Leaving aside the FACTS that there was absolutely nothing in the 2017 and 2019 Labour manifestos about leaving NATO or scrapping the armed forces, Keir Starmer supported his, then, Party leader. Not quite in the Johnson vein that is it?
But, back to the point of Keir Starmer's that you yourself mentioned: that of Johnson's Defence spending plans lacking strategy. You didn't even deal with that.

Kier certainly supported his party leader. Sadly, he wasn't strong enough to espouse his own principles until his party had failed miserably to convince the voters and indeed he continues his flip flopping when it comes to principles. Boris, on the other hand, was strong enough to stand up for what he believed and that is still the difference between the two of them. As for the defence spending, I'll go with Boris's statement that Starmer's own record of support for our armed services is very, very thin indeed, so he's not in any position to criticise the proper government.
 
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Labour, under Keir Starmer, has given support to the Government only to have his suggestions completely ignored by Johnson and Hancock whilst they are prepared to lie in the face of reality. Today it was Hancock saying at his daily Covid presser that the Government had put a protective ring around care homes right from the start of the Pandemic.
How can the Official Opposition hold a Government to account when that Government tells such barefaced lies and refuses to listen to legitimate and practical suggestions?
It's how it works. You just tell complete wall to wall whoppers and eventually you wear everyone down. Trump's legacy you might think, but the Tory press have been aiding and abetting these tactics as long as I can remember.
 
Just discovered theyworkforyou.com which should come in very useful for checking the truth of some he said / she said comments such as the above re Boris and Kier
 
Christ this is painful.
Lock us down, don't spend money etc etc. Yet never a discussion around what Labour would actually do during this time? Always pointing fingers. Never delivering answers. Unelectable again.
Maybe the time to ask Labour and all the other parties what they would do would be in the run up to an election, which is some way off. For now it is the job for everyone outside of the Conservative government inner circle, so i include Tory backbenchers, to hold the government to account.
 
Kier certainly supported his party leader. Sadly, he wasn't strong enough to espouse his own principles until his party had failed miserably to convince the voters and indeed he continues his flip flopping when it comes to principles. Boris, on the other hand, was strong enough to stand strong for what he believed and that is still the difference between the two of them. As for the defence spending, I'll go with Boris's statement that Starmer's own record of support for our armed services is very, very thin indeed, so he's not in any position to criticise the proper government.
How reassuring it must be for you to take such a Nelsonian view of Boris (I used to be a Remainer when it suited my personal advancement) Johnson.
 
Maybe the time to ask Labour and all the other parties what they would do would be in the run up to an election, which is some way off. For now it is the job for everyone outside of the Conservative government inner circle, so i include Tory backbenchers, to hold the government to account.
Why is it? Actually now is the vital time to say how they would handle this. Labour have been unelectable in the weakest of times for the conservative Government. Now is the time to get the people that Jeremy Corbyn alienated, onside. Those that aren't fixed or aligned to a party to get their vote.

New age of politics required from Labour and new stances.
 
Kier certainly supported his party leader. Sadly, he wasn't strong enough to espouse his own principles until his party had failed miserably to convince the voters and indeed he continues his flip flopping when it comes to principles. Boris, on the other hand, was strong enough to stand up for what he believed and that is still the difference between the two of them. As for the defence spending, I'll go with Boris's statement that Starmer's own record of support for our armed services is very, very thin indeed, so he's not in any position to criticise the proper government.
Boris was strong enough to switch from being a Remainer to a Brexiteer when he realised there was something in it for his own progression. He's never done anything that wasn't in his own self interest.
 
Boris was strong enough to switch from being a Remainer to a Brexiteer when he realised there was something in it for his own progression. He's never done anything that wasn't in his own self interest.
I'm surprised you didn't put Fact after that last sentence.
 
Why is it? Actually now is the vital time to say how they would handle this. Labour have been unelectable in the weakest of times for the conservative Government. Now is the time to get the people that Jeremy Corbyn alienated, onside. Those that aren't fixed or aligned to a party to get their vote.

New age of politics required from Labour and new stances.
I get your point but even if the public came out and said, we like what Labour are saying here, it would still be the Tory Government's approach that would need to change if anything tangible is to happen.
 
Why is it? Actually now is the vital time to say how they would handle this. Labour have been unelectable in the weakest of times for the conservative Government. Now is the time to get the people that Jeremy Corbyn alienated, onside. Those that aren't fixed or aligned to a party to get their vote.

New age of politics required from Labour and new stances.
Most people forget what was said last week so why bother saying what you would do now in order to appear electable when an election is years away.

Ideal world politicians would all work together to achieve the best results for the people of UK but that isn't going to happen anytime soon with our political system.
 
Kier certainly supported his party leader. Sadly, he wasn't strong enough to espouse his own principles until his party had failed miserably to convince the voters and indeed he continues his flip flopping when it comes to principles. Boris, on the other hand, was strong enough to stand up for what he believed and that is still the difference between the two of them. As for the defence spending, I'll go with Boris's statement that Starmer's own record of support for our armed services is very, very thin indeed, so he's not in any position to criticise the proper government.
What he ** believed in? Johnson backed the EU for 20 years until not going with Brexit seemed like a career opportunity, then his buddy Gove stabbed him in the back and he sniped from the sidelines at May.

He believes in fuck all except pulling the wool over thick cnuts eyes.
 
Today is yet another example of his inability to take a tough decision. Dominic, then Priti and I can guarantee there will be no lockdown at Christmas regardless of the science being followed.

Too narcissistic and a need to be loved.
 
I was being facetious, hence the emoji. Seems to have been lost on you. Perhaps you’ll have the good grace to delete the abuse now I’ve pointed it out.
 
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