Preston away (5 April) : feedback required

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since the game we have had extensive discussion with both Seasiders and Preston police. As a result, we have been asked if we would collate any questions, concerns, or reports on events and incidents that those who attended the match may have.

You can do so EITHER by :

sending a Private message to this username

OR

by email, to bst-secretary@blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

Thank you in advance for your help.

Fans may also wish to note that we have also today written to the SLO at Blackpool, setting out some broad concerns based upon the feedback that some of you have already very helpfully provided to us.

BST
 
Philbfctrois said:
It wasn’t that bad

Pubs closing early and not being allowed a piss towards the end of the game were the main issues for me

Nothing really to get het up about

Being kept in is nothing new and didn't really bother me
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It was horrendous trying to get out at either exit
 
Philbfctrois said:
It wasn’t that bad

Pubs closing early and not being allowed a piss towards the end of the game were the main issues for me

Nothing really to get het up about

Being kept in is nothing new and didn't really bother me
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How do you have any real idea how bad it was or wasn’t? Serious question…

You can only speak to your personal experience of the game, which is obviously going to be coloured by how you personally were impacted.

If you’re the parent of an injured child, I imagine it’s a huge issue.
 
I read the blackpool gazette tonight and that young kid who was hit in his head
by the preston so called hard men
Utter scum
I wonder what will happen if boro get in the play offs there will be 10,000 fans at dumpdale at the last game of the season
I wonder where the preston cowards are then
Nowhere
 
BlackpoolSupportersTrust said:
All

since the game we have had extensive discussion with both Seasiders and Preston police. As a result, we have been asked if we would collate any questions, concerns, or reports on events and incidents that those who attended the match may have.

You can do so EITHER by :

sending a Private message to this username

OR

by email, to bst-secretary@blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

Thank you in advance for your help.

Fans may also wish to note that we have also today written to the SLO at Blackpool, setting out some broad concerns based upon the feedback that some of you have already very helpfully provided to us.

BST
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Hi,
They were shit.
We were shit.
The police commander was even shitter.
The so called liaison and planning was even shittier.

Thank you for your engagement
 
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Whoever runs the show is well out of their depth

By way of example the instruction from above when we arrived on the outskirts of Preston on a coach was to hold it there till close to Kick Off

That thought process completely ignored the logistics of getting the coach to the ground

It was beyond stupid and thankfully the police officers on the ground recognised that and managed to persuade whoever it was who issued instruction to change their mind

What possible purpose is served by holding a coach on the edge of a town for 30 minutes or more when you could have the fans in the ground and under control?

And don’t get me started on post match😂
 
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I think the decision making by the PKE board needs calling into question above all else.

It’s essentially their policy decisions, which have created an unnecessarily increased risk for both sets of supporters.

Fully appreciate the debacle at Bloomfield Road and the Pigeon Shit seats in particular reflected poorly on us as a club, but our facilities dictate to a large extent.

I think the difference in the two situation was that the situation at Bloomfield Road was down to limited facilities and a lack of attention to detail…By contrast, the Preston decision has been a calculated and purposeful act of revenge.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Whoever runs the show is well out of their depth

By way of example the instruction from above when we arrived on the outskirts of Preston on a coach was the hold it there till close to Kick Off

That thought process completely ignored the logistics of getting the coach to the ground

It was beyond stupid and thankfully the police officers on the ground recognised that and managed to persuade whoever it was who issued instruction to change their mind

What possible purpose is served by holding a coach on the edge of a town for 30 minutes or more when you could have the fans in the ground and under control?

And don’t get me started on post match😂
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It is very apparent when you compare Lancs police to other police forces that they don't seem to have a handle on policing football matches...

I think that's the bottom line.

I walked back and the police numbers were staggering. It's not the first time this year where a commander has switched tack and reacted to 'intelligence' and that poorly communicated plan has resulted in people being faced with a situation they'd more than likely have been able to avoid without police intervention.

They'll no doubt say "we did an excellent job" and in fact, I think they've already released such a statement.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think the decision making by the PKE board needs calling into question above all else.

It’s essentially their policy decisions, which have created an unnecessarily increased risk for both sets of supporters.

Fully appreciate the debacle at Bloomfield Road and the Pigeon Shit seats in particular reflected poorly on us as a club, but our facilities dictate to a large extent.

I think the difference in the two situation was that the situation at Bloomfield Road was down to limited facilities and a lack of attention to detail…By contrast, the Preston decision has been a calculated and purposeful act of revenge.
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It's a cheap stunt from unpopular Ridsdale that had cost his club a lot of revenue and probably a much bigger policing bill.
 
todayistheday said:
Mooser, it was expected as it would be if playing Bolton away. If you stay away from hostile fans, you will stay away from trouble. In future if you dont like the way I post, refrain from ** replying you knob.
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The point is, at least partly, that the policing of the last two PNE games has made it pretty difficult to do that... At home, the two sets of fans were led away and then into each other and away, the fans were then penned in, whilst stuff got lobbed at them but because of the people behind them, there was nowhere to go. On neither occasion did anyone have any information about what the actual plan was and thus, no idea how to, had you put it, 'stay away'

I kind of agree - it's generally quite easy to *not* get caught up in a fight but the policing in these two games hasn't really allowed people to use that common sense and that results in people who aren't looking for hassle being put in situations where it comes to them where they might otherwise just walk away.

I'm not sure that's really the way to go about it.
 
td53 said:
The point is, at least partly, that the policing of the last two PNE games has made it pretty difficult to do that... At home, the two sets of fans were led away and then into each other and away, the fans were then penned in, whilst stuff got lobbed at them but because of the people behind them, there was nowhere to go. On neither occasion did anyone have any information about what the actual plan was and thus, no idea how to, had you put it, 'stay away'

I kind of agree - it's generally quite easy to *not* get caught up in a fight but the policing in these two games hasn't really allowed people to use that common sense and that results in people who aren't looking for hassle being put in situations where it comes to them where they might otherwise just walk away.

I'm not sure that's really the way to go about it.
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Policing been poor all year at Bloomfield Rd and nothings changed, why anyone thinks it will be better away at a derby is in dreamworld.
 
What I don't get it whilst it's understandable to hold us back to allow the Nobenders to clear off and go home, but why let that bunch of clowns hang around in the side stand baiting us for ages at the end? Their focus should to be get them idiots out of the ground rather than concentrate on many of us just wanting go for a piss whilst we waited for the area to be cleared. Which leads me to another point why are we not allowed to enter the refreshments area and use the toilets? They then had an issue clearing them off Blackpool Rd so we could exit, if there's any Nobbers hanging around that long after the game they are clearly looking for trouble, so use the police dogs to "persuade" them to move on or arrest them if they're not obeying orders from the police. I haven't got a problem with being held back for ten minutes after the final whistle while they clear the area, but it was well over half an hour before we got to exit the area, and that's far too long.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think the decision making by the PKE board needs calling into question above all else.

It’s essentially their policy decisions, which have created an unnecessarily increased risk for both sets of supporters.

Fully appreciate the debacle at Bloomfield Road and the Pigeon Shit seats in particular reflected poorly on us as a club, but our facilities dictate to a large extent.

I think the difference in the two situation was that the situation at Bloomfield Road was down to limited facilities and a lack of attention to detail…By contrast, the Preston decision has been a calculated and purposeful act of revenge.
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Don’t talk rubbish I think we should do the same next season if it wasn’t on sky It would have been a sell out.
There was trouble from both sets of supporters throwing objects . I don’t get this that your fans are well behaved if you had more there the would have been harder for the police & I no if you had give us more at Bloomfield rd it would have been a massive mistake .
The rivalry has got out of hand and the hatred was for all to see.
We are splitting the kop a lot now 3 of our last 4 matches the kop is divided it gives a better atmosphere & fans have been calling for this all season..
We have done it the last 3 matches before your match . The fans love it so I think it will stay for good
It your home fans that’s important.
 
Livingthedream47 said:
Don’t talk rubbish I think we should do the same next season if it wasn’t on sky It would have been a sell out.
There was trouble from both sets of supporters throwing objects . I don’t get this that your fans are well behaved if you had more there the would have been harder for the police & I no if you had give us more at Bloomfield rd it would have been a massive mistake .
The rivalry has got out of hand and the hatred was for all to see.
We are splitting the kop a lot now 3 of our last 4 matches the kop is divided it gives a better atmosphere & fans have been calling for this all season..
We have done it the last 3 matches before your match . The fans love it so I think it will stay for good
It your home fans that’s important.
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You wouldn’t sell out this fixture if you put tickets on sale a year in advance and offered a complimentary bottle of champagne. So don’t talk bollocks - Sky My Arse - it’s the first time you’ve played us at home in almost a decade!!! And the biggest home crowd in recent history (at least fir that fixture)

I’m not disputing that both sets of fans were not involved inside the ground, I’m saying that the decision to put those fans together in the Kop created the issue, both inside and outside around the ground.

As I said, I could fully understand had the rest of the ground been sold out and you had no option, but you did have options and chose to put both sets of fans at increase risk (resulting in injuries to at least 2 children that has so far come to light).

Even if you did wish to reserve the possibility of giving more tickets to home supporters, then you could do what we did and sell the Kop in sections, once other stands are sold out.

If you wish to limit the number of our fans on Safety Grounds, then that’s fine, but you do seem to have managed the Fixture with Rovers well enough. Whether you reduce our allocation or not, there’s no need for you to create a flashpoint by putting the two sets of supporters in the same stsnd, when you have plenty of room elsewhere.
 
Quite clearly from what I saw you had enough empty seats In The other three stands without putting fans in the stand right next to BFC. Should have sold out the other three stands first like BFC did then fine sell section by section of the other stand. Proves PNE did this out of spite and I hope it’s remembered by BFC next season and give you 10%
 
Livingthedream47 said:
Don’t talk rubbish I think we should do the same next season if it wasn’t on sky It would have been a sell out.
There was trouble from both sets of supporters throwing objects . I don’t get this that your fans are well behaved if you had more there the would have been harder for the police & I no if you had give us more at Bloomfield rd it would have been a massive mistake .
The rivalry has got out of hand and the hatred was for all to see.
We are splitting the kop a lot now 3 of our last 4 matches the kop is divided it gives a better atmosphere & fans have been calling for this all season..
We have done it the last 3 matches before your match . The fans love it so I think it will stay for good
It your home fans that’s important.
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The only sensible thing you've said there is that it's home fans that are important

That's why we only gave you 2,200 because we sold the rest to home fans.

How many times do we have to say this?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
How do you have any real idea how bad it was or wasn’t? Serious question…

You can only speak to your personal experience of the game, which is obviously going to be coloured by how you personally were impacted.

If you’re the parent of an injured child, I imagine it’s a huge issue.
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I didn't take any of my children even though they wanted to go to the game, every man and his dog knew there would be issues around this match

To be frank i think its pretty irresponsible taking 7 and 8 year olds to a game like this

What happened in i think 96 was far worse then anything that happened on Tuesday

Lets not forget we also set a fire once to the town end at this fixture

So yeah in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that bad
 
Raging_Bull said:
What I don't get it whilst it's understandable to hold us back to allow the Nobenders to clear off and go home, but why let that bunch of clowns hang around in the side stand baiting us for ages at the end? Their focus should to be get them idiots out of the ground rather than concentrate on many of us just wanting go for a piss whilst we waited for the area to be cleared. Which leads me to another point why are we not allowed to enter the refreshments area and use the toilets? They then had an issue clearing them off Blackpool Rd so we could exit, if there's any Nobbers hanging around that long after the game they are clearly looking for trouble, so use the police dogs to "persuade" them to move on or arrest them if they're not obeying orders from the police. I haven't got a problem with being held back for ten minutes after the final whistle while they clear the area, but it was well over half an hour before we got to exit the area, and that's far too long.
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that seems way too sensible an approach.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I didn't take any of my children even though they wanted to go to the game, every man and his dog knew there would be issues around this match

To be frank i think its pretty irresponsible taking 7 and 8 year olds to a game like this

What happened in i think 96 was far worse then anything that happened on Tuesday

Lets not forget we also set a fire once to the town end at this fixture

So yeah in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that bad
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That’s total shit Phil. Parents should be able to take kids and expect them to be safe in and around the ground…

What’s ‘irresponsible’ is opening a stand to both sets of fans when it’s not required and failing to clear the area properly after the game.

The idea that (despite kids being injured) it wasn’t that bad, because “we didn’t set the stand on fire this time” is possibly the daftest thing I’ve ever read. 😂

Bravado Bullshit 👎
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That’s total shit Phil. Parents should be able to take kids and expect them to be safe in and around the ground…

What’s ‘irresponsible’ is opening a stand to both sets of fans when it’s not required and failing to clear the area properly after the game.

The idea that (despite kids being injured) it wasn’t that bad, because “we didn’t set the stand on fire this time” is possibly the daftest thing I’ve ever read. 😂

Bravado Bullshit 👎
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Honestly would you have taken your kids to that game at 7 and 8?
 
Phil has a point to be honest!
You should be able to take your kids to all games but I wouldn't have for this one.
Girls should be able to walk home from a night out late at night but you wouldn't recommend that either, would you?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You wouldn’t sell out this fixture if you put tickets on sale a year in advance and offered a complimentary bottle of champagne. So don’t talk bollocks - Sky My Arse - it’s the first time you’ve played us at home in almost a decade!!! And the biggest home crowd in recent history (at least fir that fixture)

I’m not disputing that both sets of fans were not involved inside the ground, I’m saying that the decision to put those fans together in the Kop created the issue, both inside and outside around the ground.

As I said, I could fully understand had the rest of the ground been sold out and you had no option, but you did have options and chose to put both sets of fans at increase risk (resulting in injuries to at least 2 children that has so far come to light).

Even if you did wish to reserve the possibility of giving more tickets to home supporters, then you could do what we did and sell the Kop in sections, once other stands are sold out.

If you wish to limit the number of our fans on Safety Grounds, then that’s fine, but you do seem to have managed the Fixture with Rovers well enough. Whether you reduce our allocation or not, there’s no need for you to create a flashpoint by putting the two sets of supporters in the same stsnd, when you have plenty of room elsewhere.
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We sold 21500 against Liverpool in the cup oct & we will probably have a big crowd against Rovers in 2weeks .
Unlike your fans we do it instead of talking about your crowds . Your only sell out this season was against us 11,000 home fans.
But I want to talk safety not points scoring.
Outside the ground would be a issue if you got 5000 + tickets at our ground with trouble outside & town centre .
If you gave us the 4000+ at Blackpool there no way of controlling our fans with been a fun town .
Like I said you haven’t sold your allocation for rovers of only 3,700 so why should we give you that end.
It was brilliant night for our very young fans
& woman & why should we spoil the atmosphere that was created at Bloomfield rd & Deepdale .
I hope you win at rovers we want them in our league next season.
 
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Livingthedream47 said:
We sold 21500 against Liverpool in the cup oct & we will probably have a big crowd against Rovers in 2weeks .
Unlike your fans we do it instead of talking about your crowds . Your only sell out this season was against us 11,000 home fans.
But I want to talk safety not points scoring.
Outside the ground would be a issue if you got 5000 + tickets at our ground with trouble outside & town centre .
If you gave us the 4000+ at Blackpool there no way of controlling our fans with been a fun town .
Like I said you haven’t sold your allocation for rovers of only 3,700 so why should we give you that end.
It was brilliant night for our very young fans
& woman & why should we spoil the atmosphere that was created at Bloomfield rd & Deepdale .
I hope you win at rovers we want them in our league next season.
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You are really boring me now, We get very similar crowds, get over it. You have done fuck all for years, you are the semolina of the championship. Now go away.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Honestly would you have taken your kids to that game at 7 and 8?
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Trust me when I say nothing can make me feel any worse in that I failed to protect my son.
I drew my experience on the previous 3 league away games at Preston as oppose to 20-30 years ago and I thought, obviously there was an edge but didn’t feel unsafe at any point inside the stadium and there was plenty of kids in attendance. We also parked close to the ground for a quick getaway.
But yeah, I got it badly wrong, I know that and I feel terrible for it.
 
Livingthedream47 said:
We sold 21500 against Liverpool in the cup oct & we will probably have a big crowd against Rovers in 2weeks .
Unlike your fans we do it instead of talking about your crowds . Your only sell out this season was against us 11,000 home fans.
But I want to talk safety not points scoring.
Outside the ground would be a issue if you got 5000 + tickets at our ground with trouble outside & town centre .
If you gave us the 4000+ at Blackpool there no way of controlling our fans with been a fun town .
Like I said you haven’t sold your allocation for rovers of only 3,700 so why should we give you that end.
It was brilliant night for our very young fans
& woman & why should we spoil the atmosphere that was created at Bloomfield rd & Deepdale .
I hope you win at rovers we want them in our league next season.
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You didn’t have 21,500 home fans vs Liverpool!!

You’ve had 21,250 with us there in the past, but that included 5,500 Blackpool.

You’ve had a highest crowd of around 19,700 vs Rovers, but again that was giving over the entire Kop to them.

You maxed out at around 16,500 Home Fans on Tuesday and that will likely have included some Pool Fans in the home stands.

Our attendance isn’t relevant… It’s not a my dick’s bigger that your dick thing, it’s about minimising risk where possible.

You seem to have difficulty reading….

a) I’m not suggesting you necessarily give us the whole end (unless you can do it safely)

b) I’m simply saying that you shouldn’t mix home and away fans in the same stand if it isn’t necessary.

So if you don’t want to give us the entire stand then that’s fine, although obviously we’d sell it as we have before.
 
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Livingthedream47 said:
Don’t talk rubbish I think we should do the same next season if it wasn’t on sky It would have been a sell out.
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Would it bollocks! Since your ground has been finished, you've NEVER sold the home ends out v us.

The Liverpool game was a big attendance because you gave them over 5,000 tickets.

You won't sell out your home end v Blackburn either.
 
King Billy said:
Trust me when I say nothing can make me feel any worse in that I failed to protect my son.
I drew my experience on the previous 3 league away games at Preston as oppose to 20-30 years ago and I thought, obviously there was an edge but didn’t feel unsafe at any point inside the stadium and there was plenty of kids in attendance. We also parked close to the ground for a quick getaway.
But yeah, I got it badly wrong, I know that and I feel terrible for it.
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You've got nothing to feel guilty about mate, it's the dickhead that through the missile that should be feeling that.
My Dad took me to some games in the 80's with some of the worse disorder you would ever see, it's a miracle that I wasn't hit with something or worse!
I'm taking my 10 year old to Luton in a few weeks which should be fine, but you never really know!
Hope he enjoys his next match!
 
Wizaard said:
The only sensible thing you've said there is that it's home fans that are important

That's why we only gave you 2,200 because we sold the rest to home fans.

How many times do we have to say this?
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Yes but you didn't, did you?
Empty seats all over the place yet you put a bunch of neanderthal counts who clearly are there to cause trouble and be a bunch of utter cunts.....a stupid decision made by that utter bellend.....
Who had this idea? "I know, let's put all our hooligans and freaks next to the traveling away supporters, I mean, what could go wrong?"

Utter stupidity and he should be castigated for it.....
 
Wizaard said:
The only sensible thing you've said there is that it's home fans that are important

That's why we only gave you 2,200 because we sold the rest to home fans.

How many times do we have to say this?
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You'll have to put it on a loop, Wiz. It takes time for the message to get through to Nobbers brain cell.
 
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