Protestor intrusion on Keir Starmer

bill40 said:
The House of Parliament needs to represnt people which I agree with. At the moment, vote how you like, it represents interests nothing else.
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Parliament always represents the people. It is the people who elect their MPs. If you are saying that you want a Government to be formed from MPs whose ideas about social and economic governance align with yours then you'll be in for a long wait. The best that any of us can hope for is a political party whose manifesto includes some of our wishes or which has a philosophy that we buy into.
 
TSSeasider said:
As I've said previously, I met in for a number of hours and on his own without advisors and press, he was far less 'wooden' than when I'd seen him on TV.

I think the intruder (whilst being a nob) did him a lot of good in terms of having to deal with something which wasn't staged managed - and he did it really well.

I agree, I think that's the best I've seen from a Labour Leader in years (I know the bar isn't high).

There was a lot to applaud in the speech; but they now have to design the "how" - and that's the thing which they will be judged on.

I hadn't realised they need a swing like '97 just to get a 1 seat majority - which kind of shows the absolute shit show of governance that the Tories have presided over since 2019 that's it even being considered as possible.
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Good post - thanks. My point is to support the principals, vote for them and then see how the "how" comes about. Yes, that's a recipe for a 'walk of faith' but isn't that what politics is ultimately about? I tear my hair out at TV interviewers (including senior journos), who want to trip up politicians at elections by talking about the micro-funding of strategic visions.."so, how much will each of these new towns cost Ms Reeves?" As if a lack of an immediate answer should disqualify someone from office. If I wanted to vote in an accountant I'd ask one to stand for office.
 
Wizaard said:
I haven't forgotten about covid and what a complete shit show your lot made of it.

Mismanagement and corruption on an epic scale, while partying. So no, I haven't forgotten.
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But do you understand what "power" means, and dont you understand that it's the Cabinet Secretary who made all the decisions about PPE procurement?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Parliament always represents the people. It is the people who elect their MPs. If you are saying that you want a Government to be formed from MPs whose ideas about social and economic governance align with yours then you'll be in for a long wait. The best that any of us can hope for is a political party whose manifesto includes some of our wishes or which has a philosophy that we buy into.
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I honestly think I have no idea what he was gipping about but he seemed sincere. As previously mentioned I will be voting for the Draw A Willy On Your Ballot Party as they have the most policies I agree with... Probably.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
But do you understand what "power" means, and dont you understand that it's the Cabinet Secretary who made all the decisions about PPE procurement?
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Without any politician knowing anything about it.

Remember this sequence?

There was no party.

There was no party but if there had been the full rules were followed at all times.

There was a small gathering but the rules were followed at all times, and I wasn't present.

I called by to a small gathering to mark the departure of an esteemed colleague but there was no drink and rules were followed at all times.

I was inadvertently photographed with a glass in my hand in close proximity to colleagues but it was for brief moment.

My chief of staff organised a party with the byline Bring your own booze.

Staff were seen dragging suitcases of booze through security at Downing St.

And still people question whether any other party can take over, seemingly on the grounds of lack of charisma?

Look where charisma got us.

No, I haven't forgotten covid.

Scum.
 
bill40 said:
I honestly think I have no idea what he was gipping about but he seemed sincere. As previously mentioned I will be voting for the Draw A Willy On Your Ballot Party as they have the most policies I agree with... Probably.
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OK, fair do's. All I would say is that the Tories have made a balls of Governing over the last 13 years so, leaving their candidate to one side...fill your boots. Be it Labour, Green, Monster Raving Looney or - God forbid - Liberal, stick your X where you will.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Have you forgotten about Covid?

Have you forgotten about Ukraine?
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Not at all.

I think the public have been incredibly forgiving around Covid; I've said plenty of times I believed, on the whole, they acted in good faith.

And our response to Ukraine had been fantastic and I accept that we are poorer because we are doing the right thing (unlike Germany buying Russian oil via India...)

But that was under Boris Johnson, who got his colleagues to lie for him to Parliament - and you cannot defend that - I didn't care that he (and others) didn't follow the rules - plenty didn't. But lying to Parliament and hanging everyone else out to dry, well it did for him.

Liz Truss was an absolute aberration which has cost us £billions; completely and unnecessary - billions because she was beyond arrogant and surrounded herself with people who just agreed.

Rishi could have had a chance of he had immediately followed Johnson, but he didn't. I think he will be competent; but he's Treasury and will take the green book as gospel - he hasn't the charisma or vision of Boris; and the party has run out of goodwill from the public.

A lot of that is on them; 5 PM in 7 years etc etc.

Labour still need to say why we should vote for them, beyond - we aren't the Tory Party - he set out a vision today; he hasn't set out the "how" and that's far more difficult to do. Whether he can, well I'll wait and see - but his speech was delivered well and set out a vision of something different.

Personally after spending 3 days at the conference, I was pleased to hear him talking about treating each other better (see my response about the Trans v Women stuff) and calling out Hamas for what they are and the SNP - knowing there are plenty in his party who disagree with him.

There's a long way to go before the election and things can still change.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
In hindsight (great gift I know) I'm now thinking that Theresa May was the best one of the lot and by some distance.
That's not saying a lot about the others I know.
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She was the only one with some sense of trying to do something for the country and not herself.

Doesn't excuse her incompetence as Home Secretary mind.
 
TSSeasider said:
Not at all.

I think the public have been incredibly forgiving around Covid; I've said plenty of times I believed, on the whole, they acted in good faith.

And our response to Ukraine had been fantastic and I accept that we are poorer because we are doing the right thing (unlike Germany buying Russian oil via India...)

But that was under Boris Johnson, who got his colleagues to lie for him to Parliament - and you cannot defend that - I didn't care that he (and others) didn't follow the rules - plenty didn't. But lying to Parliament and hanging everyone else out to dry, well it did for him.

Liz Truss was an absolute aberration which has cost us £billions; completely and unnecessary - billions because she was beyond arrogant and surrounded herself with people who just agreed.

Rishi could have had a chance of he had immediately followed Johnson, but he didn't. I think he will be competent; but he's Treasury and will take the green book as gospel - he hasn't the charisma or vision of Boris; and the party has run out of goodwill from the public.

A lot of that is on them; 5 PM in 7 years etc etc.

Labour still need to say why we should vote for them, beyond - we aren't the Tory Party - he set out a vision today; he hasn't set out the "how" and that's far more difficult to do. Whether he can, well I'll wait and see - but his speech was delivered well and set out a vision of something different.

Personally after spending 3 days at the conference, I was pleased to hear him talking about treating each other better (see my response about the Trans v Women stuff) and calling out Hamas for what they are and the SNP - knowing there are plenty in his party who disagree with him.

There's a long way to go before the election and things can still change.
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You're being party political now. I've already told you that we should vote for the principals and leave the "how" to Labour. If it turns out badly then vote them out. But it's important to give the strategy a chance in the first place. If you're not prepared to do that, and insist on counting every penny before it's spent, then we'll get 5 more years of Xenophobic, no growth, no ideas, Tory infighting whilst we all suffer.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yes you are naive

Is there anything worse than Blair taking us to war on an outright pack of lies?

How many deaths did his deception cause?

How many deaths?
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Blair did quite a bit of good, until he followed Bush blindly, I think that power can corrupt. Unfortunately this is a common human trait & whilst I may genuinely spout my left of centre reasonable thoughts of what should happen whilst governing a country for all I know I could fall foul, although I doubt it.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Looks a bit in shock as he's spent the last 5 minutes slagging the conservatives instead of telling the conference what he will do

Can anyone really seriously vote for this wet lettuce?

Quite ironic having the union flag in the background as well given how anti British most of his cabinet are

Keeps getting standing ovations from the nodding dogs in the audience as well

This won't go down well calling Hamas terrorists though

Interesting stuff
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So Phil, you are happy with the status quo — a bunch of successive liars, lawbreakers and the richest people in the country ruling over you and telling us what you should be doing day to day

I look around my (relatively wealthy) surroundings and promise you —
Crime has never been greater (my local shop has 30—40 shoplifters a day ….fact) — it’s loss making and WILL close — Cars every night broken into
Homelessness the same — Walk about at 6am and count them
Property values falling
Transport failing at every level
Disharmony with the Union / Brexit (that‘s really made us richer)
Poor people getting really poor
Fewer people going out etc

As u say interesting — I might have hinted who I won’t be voting for but as long as u are happy
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Looks a bit in shock as he's spent the last 5 minutes slagging the conservatives instead of telling the conference what he will do

Can anyone really seriously vote for this wet lettuce?

Quite ironic having the union flag in the background as well given how anti British most of his cabinet are

Keeps getting standing ovations from the nodding dogs in the audience as well

This won't go down well calling Hamas terrorists though

Interesting stuff
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Yeah pretty much. Along with millions of others almost definitely.

Unless you want 5 more years of the same shit

You see I'd rather a "wet lettuce" who is a little boring. Politics is a serious business.

Rather this bland man who has integrity than exclusively educated thieves in suits if it's all the same.
 
Wizaard said:
You vote for the Tories in Wales. See how far that gets you.
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I did last time and n the locals and they won the seat

I've not decided what I'm doing if there is a GE yet

Oh and you haven't answered my question on Blair
 
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Wizaard said:
Without any politician knowing anything about it.

Remember this sequence?

There was no party.

There was no party but if there had been the full rules were followed at all times.

There was a small gathering but the rules were followed at all times, and I wasn't present.

I called by to a small gathering to mark the departure of an esteemed colleague but there was no drink and rules were followed at all times.

I was inadvertently photographed with a glass in my hand in close proximity to colleagues but it was for brief moment.

My chief of staff organised a party with the byline Bring your own booze.

Staff were seen dragging suitcases of booze through security at Downing St.

And still people question whether any other party can take over, seemingly on the grounds of lack of charisma?

Look where charisma got us.

No, I haven't forgotten covid.

Scum.
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Lying to the country about having a party

Or lying to the country about having an illegal war in Iraq causing nearly a million deaths

Scum
 
seasideone said:
Sometimes you should come out of that padded room 🤣
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No, I don't think you understand how Labour's relationship with unions works if you're equating it with the blatant corruption in awarding Covid contracts and off hand quips doesn't change that.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I would like to hear what Labour would do instead of banging on about what the conservatives haven't done

He's still banging on about illegal parties during covid

Ffs ... if he had his way the lockdown would have been extended by a year or so
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Not a Tory by any means but Starmer and Labour are constantly telling us what Sunak and co are doing wrong,without spelling out how Labour will put it right.
"We'll build 1.5 million new houses"!
Ok, where?
Inflation falling , "it's not good enough" with no backup as to how Labour would get it lower.
Then there's Abbott who couldn't find her own are using both hands.....
They're all as bad.

As Johnny Rotten said, no future......
 
Goldfinger said:
Not a Tory by any means but Starmer and Labour are constantly telling us what Sunak and co are doing wrong,without spelling out how Labour will put it right.
"We'll build 1.5 million new houses"!
Ok, where?
Inflation falling , "it's not good enough" with no backup as to how Labour would get it lower.
Then there's Abbott who couldn't find her own are using both hands.....
They're all as bad.

As Johnny Rotten said, no future......
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That's what manifestos are for.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
That's what manifestos are for.
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Not sure it matters to be honest as they all lie anyway

Politicians are all cunts

Labour will most probably just get in as people think the are better than those 'Nasty Tories'

There isn't a cat in hells chance Labour will build 1.5 million new homes and build several new towns

It's all bollocks
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I'm afraid you're one of these people who is dying to find fault and you'll hang your hat on the most ludicrous peg in order to do it. I'd rather you jump on board and give it a chance. I'm not saying to you, "p*** off you Tory git." There's no future for Britain with that attitude. So, I say ditch the conceited pessimism and give it a go. @Phil_bfc deux as well.
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It’s such a shame that lefties can’t debate And respect other people’s opinions. This has got terribly bad in the States where the some of the biased press don’t reports on senile Joe or the millions he allegedly got via his son when he was VP
 
Threepeaksphil said:
It’s such a shame that lefties can’t debate And respect other people’s opinions. This has got terribly bad in the States where the some of the biased press don’t reports on senile Joe or the millions he allegedly got via his son when he was VP
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And I'm trying to say you're welcome aboard if you want to embrace positive change. I can't imagine even Conservative voters wanting to carry on with Sunak & Co's shitshow; it's not a put down of your political leanings. But, they've hung on for too long without any constructive purpose. A change is needed and that's looking like Labour.
 
Goldfinger said:
Not a Tory by any means but Starmer and Labour are constantly telling us what Sunak and co are doing wrong,without spelling out how Labour will put it right.
"We'll build 1.5 million new houses"!
Ok, where?
Inflation falling , "it's not good enough" with no backup as to how Labour would get it lower.
Then there's Abbott who couldn't find her own are using both hands.....
They're all as bad.

As Johnny Rotten said, no future......
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Abbott isn't in the party. Well done
 
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