Pull the plug on the whole lot Simon

Mexboroseasider said:
Yes I know. And maybe there is someone lined up?

But then Dobbie stepped into the breach and persuaded quite a few fans (who’d previously been dubious) that he might actually be the answer.

Which shows how plans made in January can come unstuck in May.
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It doesn't have to be a specific person

More a plan on where the club wants to go in terms of manager profile and what sort of football the club wants to play going forward and what the strategy is
 
Lay out your overall strategy. Have an ongoing search for players and staff that fit that vision. Ensure the staff you have are working to it.

When a player or a manager leaves, refer to the ongoing shortlist, find the best fit and repeat.

That's literally all we need to do. We haven't done it. (Or if we have, we've not done it very well)
 
td53 said:
Lay out your overall strategy. Have an ongoing search for players and staff that fit that vision. Ensure the staff you have are working to it.

When a player or a manager leaves, refer to the ongoing shortlist, find the best fit and repeat.

That's literally all we need to do. We haven't done it. (Or if we have, we've not done it very well)
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We 💯 haven’t done it.

We were told it, in the sit down interview with Ben when Critchley left, but we’ve not done any of what he said.

There was a clear change of approach with signings, big emphasis on loans players which was an Appleton pull.

We then go from him to Mick McCarthy. I don’t want to waste time talking about him, can’t stand the guy.

So here we are now. Time to sort it. It can be done, it might take time but if you build a connection and trust, guess what? People respect it and will give you time to sort things. Even in football.

What people don’t like is bullshit.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It doesn't have to be a specific person

More a plan on where the club wants to go in terms of manager profile and what sort of football the club wants to play going forward and what the strategy is
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Fair enough.

But you won’t be able to whittle it down to specific targets until later in the year. So round about now or next weekend, when you should/may have a better idea about who is available.

And then you start negotiations to see whether you can agree terms, in the knowledge the target may well have other offers.

And conclude everything well before the June transfer window.

Plus the board. And all the support staff, medicos etc.

So a lot to do in a very small window, which was my point.

But the “Entitled Ones” seem to think it’s simple to sort out. And money is no object.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
Fair enough.

But you won’t be able to whittle it down to specific targets until later in the year. So round about now or next weekend, when you should/may have a better idea about who is available.

And then you start negotiations to see whether you can agree terms, in the knowledge the target may well have other offers.

And conclude everything well before the June transfer window.

Plus the board. And all the support staff, medicos etc.

So a lot to do in a very small window, which was my point.

But the “Entitled Ones” seem to think it’s simple to sort out. And money is no object.
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Nobody is entitled

Ffs people just want the best for the club and when the club keeps ** up then people are quite rightly pissed off
 
SIDEFOOT_SID said:
Spot on. This entire discussion would be so much more enjoyable and productive if it was held in a pub with the beers flowing.
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Actually you are right, and Mex is trying to use his skills from when he was considerably younger by trying to put words in my mouth or using words literally rather than as intended, he’s a fucker, make no mistake! 😂

What I am trying to say is, and also trying to be optimistic is that I think a clear out is a good thing but it is time restrictive to a point. We are now relegated, no permanent manager, no director of football, no Brett Gerrity and I can’t see Mansford being in place either. If he is kept on the Simon obviously rates him and that is one less position to fill. If he isn’t staying then I’m sure Sadler is looking for a replacement already. The problem we have is that we need someone in that post sooner rather than later and that could be a problem if there is no one considered, we will struggle if we only have Simon on the board for too long as he is too inexperienced.

So whilst I think it’s a good thing we are having a complete overhaul I am concerned how it can all be in place in time.

As for the manager it will be either Dobb’s or someone they already have lined up so I don’t think that will be a problem but we need someone to replace the guy from Coventry and again they have had some time to be looking at that. Clearly if Mansford is staying then the process will already be underway, we have no idea if he is or not, we are all guessing about his future.

It’s an opportunity to freshen things up but if it isn’t in place early enough then we will be starting on the back foot.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Our fan base are the product of the Oystons
I worry sometimes there’s no balance
On what planet do any of us think it’s appropriate to hound a good man and a good owner because we were relegated from a division we have spent perhaps 10 years in the last 40
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Our fan base is the product of modern society I'm afraid. It's like this in all walks of life now.
 
Sooty59 said:
I would be surprised if more than 30% of our fan base bothered with this site & the other bullshit on various social media platforms.
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The thing is ,is that whatever small percentage on these websites think SS is a problem . It is likely that the same percentage of people that don't go on these websites think the same way. Which is sad , but a little worrying.
 
Memphisboy said:
The fan base don’t deserve you. The personal vindictive abuse I’ve read on social media that you’ve had to endure has been an absolute disgrace. I know and I’m sure you know that these people probably aren’t the brightest but why put up with it. If it was me writing cheques every month covering the shortfall I’d certainly call it a day. Then instead of demands for big money transfers we can just return to the decades before you took over when we’d wait for the free transfer list to arrive, leave it 6 weeks and swoop for the desperadoes still on it. Then the gobs on social media can moan all they like but they won’t know who to target as the board will consist of a local butcher, car dealer and some wideboy property dealer who has a few flats on the go.
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I get your point but why would you ask the owner to leave just because of a few idiots on the internet? Why would you do that just to make a point? Personally I would simply encourage the owner to ignore them.
 
Memphisboy said:
The fan base don’t deserve you. The personal vindictive abuse I’ve read on social media that you’ve had to endure has been an absolute disgrace. I know and I’m sure you know that these people probably aren’t the brightest but why put up with it. If it was me writing cheques every month covering the shortfall I’d certainly call it a day. Then instead of demands for big money transfers we can just return to the decades before you took over when we’d wait for the free transfer list to arrive, leave it 6 weeks and swoop for the desperadoes still on it. Then the gobs on social media can moan all they like but they won’t know who to target as the board will consist of a local butcher, car dealer and some wideboy property dealer who has a few flats on the go.
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You are right Memphisboy. Those to whom you refer are a disgusting lot with not much keeping their ears apart.
 
I think what this thread proves is that the last year has been a total fuck up with mistake after mistake after mistake and no one seems to have learnt from it.

It needed a clear out and I’m pretty sure Sadler’s eyes are now wide open and he will want to rectify it. It won’t be easy but he must have been planning for months to put certain things right and his priority now is to either keep Mansford or replace him and that could take time, time we haven’t got and a director of football and hopefully they will have been looking for that for a while. We can’t function without a CEO at the moment we still have one, but does Simon want him? I have no idea. We don’t want to start next season all over the place behind the scenes.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Our fan base are the product of the Oystons
I worry sometimes there’s no balance
On what planet do any of us think it’s appropriate to hound a good man and a good owner because we were relegated from a division we have spent perhaps 10 years in the last 40
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That's good reasoning Tim and he is the first decent man to own the club in my 50 years of supporting us.
“Simon, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”🤦‍♀️
 
It is a bit odd to call for SS to pull the plug over a minority of idiots online, which happens everywhere on social media these days when something doesn’t go their way.

I think he will know from reading this site that most just want the mistakes rectified.

A few good decisions, create a buzz with a good price and we can get most back on board.

The club needs to market it right, engage the community and it would be good to hear from SS, acknowledging what's happened and how it'll be corrected. Just some clear leadership.
 
I think the vast majority of fans are very grateful to SS for what he did and has done. We were all of the ilk that ‘we’d take L2 to get rid of the Oystons’
This is just an observation, but I think SS has maybe put too much trust in BM to run things for him. Running a football club must be bloody difficult and a mine field of regulations and rules, hence BM. But plenty of mistakes have been made, especially on the recruitment front of players and Managers. I also think the communication from the club has been particularly poor this season - especially when SS has been so vocal in the past.
We all have our opinions, but for me, we must get back that trust between the club and the fans - because when that’s happening the feel good factor really does give every one a lift.
It just seems this season it’s ‘we’ve got your ST money, we don’t give a flying fcuk what you think’
For fans to stick their hand in their pockets to renew ST - for some, it’s going to be a tough call next season.
 
Lala said:
There is a massive difference between constructive critique and abuse and vitriol.
The former is what makes for good reading and discussion, the latter is where we DO have an entitled element of fans and they are the ones to ignore.
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Totally agree with that. There’s having an opinion then there’s getting personal on social media etc. some people really don’t have any moral compass, but would be screaming blue murder if they were on the receiving end!
 
20togo said:
...and getting it wrong all the time is difficult too.
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We got a promotion and have signed some good players under Mansford [Yates, Grimshaw, Anderson etc]. So it hasn't been a disaster. Critchley leaving was unexpected but there should have been a better contingency. The appointment of Appleton looks bad and worse as Mansford had a conflicting interest.
This season has been poorly managed no doubt. If different and earlier decisions were made things could be different now. But it's easy with 20 20 hindsite.
On to the future, I don't blame any one person. Mansfield didn't pick the team and tactics for instance.
 
Memphisboy said:
The fan base don’t deserve you. The personal vindictive abuse I’ve read on social media that you’ve had to endure has been an absolute disgrace. I know and I’m sure you know that these people probably aren’t the brightest but why put up with it. If it was me writing cheques every month covering the shortfall I’d certainly call it a day. Then instead of demands for big money transfers we can just return to the decades before you took over when we’d wait for the free transfer list to arrive, leave it 6 weeks and swoop for the desperadoes still on it. Then the gobs on social media can moan all they like but they won’t know who to target as the board will consist of a local butcher, car dealer and some wideboy property dealer who has a few flats on the go.
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Post of the day.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
We got a promotion and have signed some good players under Mansford [Yates, Grimshaw, Anderson etc]. So it hasn't been a disaster. Critchley leaving was unexpected but there should have been a better contingency. The appointment of Appleton looks bad and worse as Mansford had a conflicting interest.
This season has been poorly managed no doubt. If different and earlier decisions were made things could be different now. But it's easy with 20 20 hindsite.
On to the future, I don't blame any one person. Mansfield didn't pick the team and tactics for instance.
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yep, that's fair and can relate to a lot of it. But this season has been a disaster.
 
I’ve not read much being said about SS.
It’s just the usual one or two posters repeating stuff, so it might seem like more if you’re not paying attention.
 
SS is an astute, intelligent, tough minded businessman who also owns & runs a professional football club.
I'd be very surprised if he has the time, let alone the inclination, to read what supporters say about him on social media (maybe his children or his media team do?).
If he does, he probably laughs at the odd rogue opinion that suggests he doesn't care / doesn't know what he's doing (that alone would make you question the writers sanity!).
For the originator of this thread to encourage the intelligent Simon to "pull the plug" etc, is being overly dramatic. He would be far better encouraging Simon to continue with his good work & to let the fanbase know the strategy of the club going forward.
Nobody on the planet can be popular with everyone & football club owners have targets displayed on their backs!
Sadly, there are a minority of sick minded individuals, who have no filter & who choose to write horrible things from behind the anonymity of their keyboard. These people are not worthy of any acknowledgement.
 
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It might be beneficial for Simon Sadler to appoint a 'football based' Director of Football, who could work alongside Ben Mansford. He could also allow next season's manager, (hopefully Stephen Dobbie,) to appoint his own no.2 and coach, then I'm certain it wouldn't be too long before we're knocking on the Championship door once again.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
Ruperthoop said:
Hope Simon Sadler is at the club for many years to come. A true fan who also loves the club. Has invested massively and although mistakes have been made it has not been for want of trying to improve the club.
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He paid the lowest wages in the division. He hired a manager no one wanted followed by a manager completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players we do have and then sat quietly back and watched us get relegated. Over four years in and no start on a new training ground and failed both to keep club business in-house or beat clubs below us in securing transfer targets so how can you say our relegation is not through a lack of trying?
 
Theoneandonly said:
He paid the lowest wages in the division. He hired a manager no one wanted followed by a manager completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players we do have and then sat quietly back and watched us get relegated. Over four years in and no start on a new training ground and failed both to keep club business in-house or beat clubs below us in securing transfer targets so how can you say our relegation is not through a lack of trying?
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Can't argue with any on that. As the owner, paying supporters have a right to examine SS's achievements & not just pat him on the back.
It's an accurate, non insulting summary of his performance to date.
School report "well done, but you must try harder".
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if the individuals giving the abuse on FB and Twitter etc are part of the same band of thick b’stards who threw stuff on the pitch on Friday night slowing the the game down at a time we were playing some exciting fast flowing attacking football
 
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