Putin , Oligarchs and the Tory party

The UK Government is in the hands of a Party whose funding depends on Putin and his acolytes. The leaders of that Party are complicit in this arrangement.
That's what the video says to me.
 
The Russian influence on this country is appalling, they are fully embedded in the tory Party who are corrupt as best case scenario and at worst traitors.
And brexiteers labelled remainers as traitors, they had the wool pulled over their eyes.
 
Shandypants said:
The Russian influence on this country is appalling, they are fully embedded in the tory Party who are corrupt as best case scenario and at worst traitors.
And brexiteers labelled remainers as traitors, they had the wool pulled over their eyes.
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It's like no one could possibly have known. Putin a strong advocate of Brexit, as it clearly weakened the unity of Europe. Impossible to forecast.
 
Wizaard said:
It's like no one could possibly have known. Putin a strong advocate of Brexit, as it clearly weakened the unity of Europe. Impossible to forecast.
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I knew the Russians had influence in this country but the extent has shocked me. What worries me is the moral bankruptcy at the heart of the tory Party, what's stopping elections being rigged or the system being so weighted in their favour that we become effectively a one party state with a sham democracy? I wouldn't put it past them, in fact I'm pretty certain that will be a key aim.
 
Shandypants said:
I knew the Russians had influence in this country but the extent has shocked me. What worries me is the moral bankruptcy at the heart of the tory Party, what's stopping elections being rigged or the system being so weighted in their favour that we become effectively a one party state with a sham democracy? I wouldn't put it past them, in fact I'm pretty certain that will be a key aim.
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They are doing it right now. Johnson and co. have little understanding of and little interest in normal democratic processes. He has illustrated this several times when ignoring rules (ministerial code) and laws (paroguing of parliament) that he doesn't like. A few examples of the creeping authoritarian state;
  • Right to protest has been curtailed
  • Critical voice C4 being sold to friends in the private sector
  • ID to vote rule favours their own voters (https://www.electoralcommission.org...ons-bill/requirement-show-id-polling-stations)
  • More constituency boundary changes will favour Conservative
  • Attacks on the media that presents an opposing view (C4, BBC)
  • Attacks on the judiciary that apply the law impartially (has happened several times)
  • Appeals to prejudice and the lowest common denominator (Starmer, Jimmy Savile smear)
  • lies and propaganda whenever confronted with awkward truths (Partygate, Brexit)

It is happening in front of our eyes right now.
 
Shandypants said:
I knew the Russians had influence in this country but the extent has shocked me. What worries me is the moral bankruptcy at the heart of the tory Party, what's stopping elections being rigged or the system being so weighted in their favour that we become effectively a one party state with a sham democracy? I wouldn't put it past them, in fact I'm pretty certain that will be a key aim.
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It's already happening
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
They are doing it right now. Johnson and co. have little understanding of and little interest in normal democratic processes. He has illustrated this several times when ignoring rules (ministerial code) and laws (paroguing of parliament) that he doesn't like. A few examples of the creeping authoritarian state;
  • Right to protest has been curtailed
  • Critical voice C4 being sold to friends in the private sector
  • ID to vote rule favours their own voters (https://www.electoralcommission.org...ons-bill/requirement-show-id-polling-stations)
  • More constituency boundary changes will favour Conservative
  • Attacks on the media that presents an opposing view (C4, BBC)
  • Attacks on the judiciary that apply the law impartially (has happened several times)
  • Appeals to prejudice and the lowest common denominator (Starmer, Jimmy Savile smear)
  • lies and propaganda whenever confronted with awkward truths (Partygate, Brexit)

It is happening in front of our eyes right now.
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As much as I agree with almost everything you say here, this trend towards authoritarianism in the UK has been been going on since the early eighties, through in particular the Thatcher and Blair administrations. These two regimes introduced a swath of legislation that restricted or reduced individual rights both directly and indirectly.
  • right to protest was reduced under both Thatcher and Blair
  • the introduction of stealth IDs has been going on since the eighties
  • gerrymandering was failry common under Thatcher
  • the attacks on and overt manipulation of the media have been a common thing particularly prevalent since Blair came to power
  • Thatcher and Blair were both partial to interference in the judicial process, the introduction of the UK supreme court under blair might have ended judicial separation from government.
  • appeals to prejudice have a been a staple of politics for a long time.
  • Belgrano, a good day for burying bad news, spin doctors!!!!
You can draw a line from the late seventies to today in terms of the degredation of Brtish politics. My point is that we may have now arrived at the point where it may not be fixable, where corporate, and rogue political and economic influence is the absolute norm.

I would also be very surprised if Russia doesn't have significant influence within the Labour party, and the liberals, and probably the green party as well, amongst others. The russians propoganda machine is entirely based on creating confusion and plays every side of every issue so that credibility is reduced across the board. What the video shows is just how cheap British democracy is. Without doubt the current collection of Tory leaders is the most venal and self interested group ever, it almost makes me pine for Thatcher (i dont though),

I'll also add that there are some factual errors in the video, Yeltsin was the one who allowed the aquisition of assets by a few well placed individuals, mostly Soviet era elites of one shade or another. Putin when he came to power alledgedly gave an ultimatum that he wanted a share of the spoils and that all the oligarchs had to either directly support him or stay entirely out of the political arena - or else.
 
Shandypants said:
I knew the Russians had influence in this country but the extent has shocked me. What worries me is the moral bankruptcy at the heart of the tory Party, what's stopping elections being rigged or the system being so weighted in their favour that we become effectively a one party state with a sham democracy? I wouldn't put it past them, in fact I'm pretty certain that will be a key aim.
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What, like gerrymandering electoral boundaries to favour your own side?
 
Costero Poderoso said:
As much as I agree with almost everything you say here, this trend towards authoritarianism in the UK has been been going on since the early eighties, through in particular the Thatcher and Blair administrations. These two regimes introduced a swath of legislation that restricted or reduced individual rights both directly and indirectly.
  • right to protest was reduced under both Thatcher and Blair
  • the introduction of stealth IDs has been going on since the eighties
  • gerrymandering was failry common under Thatcher
  • the attacks on and overt manipulation of the media have been a common thing particularly prevalent since Blair came to power
  • Thatcher and Blair were both partial to interference in the judicial process, the introduction of the UK supreme court under blair might have ended judicial separation from government.
  • appeals to prejudice have a been a staple of politics for a long time.
  • Belgrano, a good day for burying bad news, spin doctors!!!!
You can draw a line from the late seventies to today in terms of the degredation of Brtish politics. My point is that we may have now arrived at the point where it may not be fixable, where corporate, and rogue political and economic influence is the absolute norm.

I would also be very surprised if Russia doesn't have significant influence within the Labour party, and the liberals, and probably the green party as well, amongst others. The russians propoganda machine is entirely based on creating confusion and plays every side of every issue so that credibility is reduced across the board. What the video shows is just how cheap British democracy is. Without doubt the current collection of Tory leaders is the most venal and self interested group ever, it almost makes me pine for Thatcher (i dont though),

I'll also add that there are some factual errors in the video, Yeltsin was the one who allowed the aquisition of assets by a few well placed individuals, mostly Soviet era elites of one shade or another. Putin when he came to power alledgedly gave an ultimatum that he wanted a share of the spoils and that all the oligarchs had to either directly support him or stay entirely out of the political arena - or else.
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I do not believe that either Labour or the Lib Dems are in hock to the Russian oligarchs.
 
Russian oligarchs are all over the world, Denmark has just stopped work on 12 mega yachts belonging to oligarchs. That’s an awful lot of cash and who knows what influence they have. Paris is home to many as well. Putin spread his cash wide.
 
1966 known as " Gobby " in the Jolly Tars. Him and Recidivist3 always go to the bogs together.😂😂
 
Trammo said:
1966 known as " Gobby " in the Jolly Tars. Him and Recidivist3 always go to the bogs together.😂😂
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Trammo, you are a dear. Always wrong but quite funny with it. I actually like you. Your politics are off-piste but that's allowed. You're also a true Seasider so that is good too.
PS. Don't tell anyone but I've only ever spoken with three people who I know to post on here: the SLO, TAM and Wizaard, albeit, none of them know who I am. But if you want to carry on with your fairy story, it would be remiss of me to set you right.
 
tangerine.com said:
Of course they are or were.
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Who and when?

No, actually scrub that. Otherwise I'd begin to sound like X3, Lost or 20s. I do not believe that the Labour Party or the Lib Dems have it in their political interests to be financially involved with Putin and his oligarchs. It is in the Tories' interests because they have no morality.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Who and when?

No, actually scrub that. Otherwise I'd begin to sound like X3, Lost or 20s. I do not believe that the Labour Party or the Lib Dems have it in their political interests to be financially involved with Putin and his oligarchs. It is in the Tories' interests because they have no morality.
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What makes you believe Labour and libs aren’t or weren’t puppets to Putin?
 
tangerine.com said:
What makes you believe Labour and libs aren’t or weren’t puppets to Putin?
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Neither the Labour Party nor the Lib Dems, I believe, are politically motivated by the domination of Capital. I can't swear that for the Lib Dems but I have some respect for their liberal democratic credentials. Labour may well have moved on from Clause IV but their whole ethos rejects the concept of libertarian capitalism. If they didn't I wouldn't have anything to do with them.
If you are asking, can I vouch for the anti-capitalistic credentials of every Labour Party member's personal financial portfolio, of course I can't and have no wish to. I build my political ethos from ideas and ideals. In the UK, the party that supports views most closely aligned with mine in all respects is the Labour Party. I am prepared to stick up for that Party as long as that remains the case.
 
tangerine.com said:
What makes you believe Labour and libs aren’t or weren’t puppets to Putin?
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When I bought this up, it wasn't about being puppets to Putin. Russia has demonstrated that its public communications makes multiple claims and uses multiple sources on all subjects in a direct attempt to confuse. Based on that understanding, the fact that they are funding the Tories would suggest that there is some level of influence within other parties, not necessarily to ensure a particular candidate gains power but to undermine the whole system. Chaos within enemy or competing or perceivably threatening nations (in Putins twisted little mind) is what he/ they want.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
When I bought this up, it wasn't about being puppets to Putin. Russia has demonstrated that its public communications makes multiple claims and uses multiple sources on all subjects in a direct attempt to confuse. Based on that understanding, the fact that they are funding the Tories would suggest that there is some level of influence within other parties, not necessarily to ensure a particular candidate gains power but to undermine the whole system. Chaos within enemy or competing or perceivably threatening nations (in Putins twisted little mind) is what he/ they want.
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Agree. Sorry if your thread had gone up a wrong alley. The vid was excellent.
 
How many of our pension funds have links with Russian money? I’m glad I took a hefty lump sum earlier this year
 
Just watched that clip.
I was going to say ;unbelievable', but it isn't.
Boris Johnson must be the most corrupt P.M. in history.
 
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