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Scratcher53

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No political agenda whatsoever but what did you make of his Covid update today ?
He was thrown in without any scientific or medical back up and to be honest, came over as someone who had been dealt the short straw, and was intent on showing his displeasure.
Totally lacking in charisma, dealt with the statistics in a matter of fact demeanour , didn’t show any enthusiasm whatsoever, dealt with questions abruptly and never gave one direct answer. Concluded the update in 29 minutes and basically flounced from the podium. If him and Boris are leader and deputy, we are sadly lacking. Any thoughts or is it me just getting even more cynical ?
 
What would you expect from a man who as Brexit secretary "didnt quite understand" Dover - Calais? Or confused the red sea with irish sea. the man is an idiot. Dealing with the statistics in a matter of fact manner is probably the best way to deal with them. The fact is that all has to do is go out and read a series of statements, its not that hard. it is highly unlikely he understands what he is reading, hence when he is asked questions he is likely to looked blustered, uncomfortable.
 
It was another car crash and yes a very brief one. It seems the medical advisors have given up on towing the party line . . . they have been very conspicuous by their absence in the past week.
 
Leither said:
It was another car crash and yes a very brief one. It seems the medical advisors have given up on towing the party line . . . they have been very conspicuous by their absence in the past week.
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Yes, being called upon for expert advice is one thing but when it turns into being used for political purposes it must be irksome at the very least.
 
I thought he did well when he answered the first question and gave a discourse on the R value then looking at the screen and seeing the question was about the alert level. He managed to move from R value to alert level almost seamlessly apart from the fact that there was no connection between the two.
 
As bad as Raab is, is he that much worse than Jenrick, Patel, Hancock, Shapps, Gove, Sharma and Williamson, or the Dream Team as they are otherwise known?
 
The tactic is to get rid of the daily briefing to avoid the need in providing any transparency, not that much has been provided. The quality over the last 2 weeks or so has been appalling especially with the lack of scientific support, who are clearly not supporting some of the governments decisions.
 
It might be predictable, but it is also accurate.

The current crop of politicians (across the piece) are the most mediocre in talent and bereft of principle that I can ever remember.
 
basilrobbie said:
It might be predictable, but it is also accurate.

The current crop of politicians (across the piece) are the most mediocre in talent and bereft of principle that I can ever remember.
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Yes it might be accurate. But it's also one sided, agenda driven accuracy. No matter how good, bad or indifferent the government is they will still find fault and whinge and moan like a bunch of petulant teenagers. That's what's so predictable. I'm still waiting to hear what they think of the Labour London Mayor's performance in this crisis.
There was widespread condemnation on this forum of the far right protestors last weekend. And quite rightly so. But there was far less criticism of the equally lunatic left wing protestors the week before. Now I know some will reply with 'I condone both sets equally' and I've no doubt some do. But there's a fair few who don't.
I'm glad you said 'across the piece', as at least you acknowledge the dearth of talent on the opposition benches as well.
 
Kinda agree Rusty Labour have not had to be exposed to scrutiny due to massive distraction of dealing with a pandemic and to be honest they have not offered much by the wsybof alternatives

However Boris marginalised a lot of talent in his ranks with his get brexit done push
 
This cabinet is the worst in history. It's an absolute calamity, I think Johnson has chosen it that way so he doesn't have to answer to more talented people.
 
Bisphamtang said:
Kinda agree Rusty Labour have not had to be exposed to scrutiny due to massive distraction of dealing with a pandemic and to be honest they have not offered much by the wsybof alternatives

However Boris marginalised a lot of talent in his ranks with his get brexit done push
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Can’t disagree with that Bispham. I’m not Johnson’s biggest fan but I’m convinced that some people would be moaning no matter what he does. And it’s the easiest job in the world to be the leader of the opposition during a crisis.
 
We have a totally inept Government who have been utterly garbage in handling the Covid 19 pandemic. The clowns in opposition would have been worse IMHO. British political landscape is bleak.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Like an 80 seat majority?
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80 seats is a big majority but a not insignificant portion of that is built from Labour seat where the voters couldn't stomach the idea of voting for Corbyn.
As the Government ineptitude, conceit and lies pile up, that portion of the majority will melt away quicker than a snowball in a pizza oven.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
80 seats is a big majority but a not insignificant portion of that is built from Labour seat where the voters couldn't stomach the idea of voting for Corbyn.
As the Government ineptitude, conceit and lies pile up, that portion of the majority will melt away quicker than a snowball in a pizza oven.
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Not quite as quickly as you'd probably like. Try around four and a half years. I'm not a big fan of Johnson but the alternative at the last election was too much to stomach. It remains to be seen how a good a leader Starmer is. At the moment he's got it easy. I'll wait and see how he tames the hard left and how he manages to drag Labour back to a more moderate centre ground before I consider giving them my vote again.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Not quite as quickly as you'd probably like. Try around four and a half years. I'm not a big fan of Johnson but the alternative at the last election was too much to stomach. It remains to be seen how a good a leader Starmer is. At the moment he's got it easy. I'll wait and see how he tames the hard left and how he manages to drag Labour back to a more moderate centre ground before I consider giving them my vote again.
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The hard left have taken themselves away Rusty. Starmer has built a shadow cabinet around a radical but democratic centre-left agenda. The Party's ruling body, the NEC, has already seen the hard-left members resign to give Starmer a clear field. Yes, it still depends on his Parliamentary party's performance but, providing they don't dig any deep holes for themselves I can see a bright future. Don't forget, the economy's going to have a difficult time over the next couple of years which means that Johnson won't be able to give away tax cuts like confetti - then again, he really isn't the full shilling.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The hard left have taken themselves away Rusty. Starmer has built a shadow cabinet around a radical but democratic centre-left agenda. The Party's ruling body, the NEC, has already seen the hard-left members resign to give Starmer a clear field. Yes, it still depends on his Parliamentary party's performance but, providing they don't dig any deep holes for themselves I can see a bright future. Don't forget, the economy's going to have a difficult time over the next couple of years which means that Johnson won't be able to give away tax cuts like confetti - then again, he really isn't the full shilling.
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Unfortunately Rusty trombone is a "bit thick"
 
A bit of a Berk in linking it with G of T but fully support him in not having views of taking the knee why should he?

Press making a mountain out of a mole hill yet again.

At the end of the day all lives matter you don’t have to take the knee to show it.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
The hard left have taken themselves away Rusty. Starmer has built a shadow cabinet around a radical but democratic centre-left agenda. The Party's ruling body, the NEC, has already seen the hard-left members resign to give Starmer a clear field. Yes, it still depends on his Parliamentary party's performance but, providing they don't dig any deep holes for themselves I can see a bright future. Don't forget, the economy's going to have a difficult time over the next couple of years which means that Johnson won't be able to give away tax cuts like confetti - then again, he really isn't the full shilling.
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The hard left have taken themselves away? Well that's good news if true, because hard left policies are dead in the UK anyway. So where exactly have the hard left gone? Have they disappeared from politics for good? Or are they setting up a hard left alternative party separate from the Labour party?
But I'll just wait and see. I've got four and a half years to see what sort of job Starmer does.
 
Amazing how you could do a stand up act using material on someone you don't know the first thing about. There's no end to your talents. Impressive for somebody who plainly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.
Anyway, enough of the insults for now. Let's get back on topic. What do you think Starmer's strategy and policy should be going forward to oust the nasty Tories like Raab and all his cohorts?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
He's becoming so adept at putting his foot in his mouth he could turn it into a circus act.
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He's positioning himself as successor to Boris and I think there's probably a lot of support for his comments amongst the people he neads to court.

Incidentally, his father was a Czech refugees from 1938 so there may be personal reasons why he's less than keen to submit to this kind of mob rule.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Amazing how you could do a stand up act using material on someone you don't know the first thing about. There's no end to your talents. Impressive for somebody who plainly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.
Anyway, enough of the insults for now. Let's get back on topic. What do you think Starmer's strategy and policy should be going forward to oust the nasty Tories like Raab and all his cohorts?
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Rusty, when they resort to calling you names and trying to abuse and intimidate you they have lost the argument. And they know it.
 
It does amuse me, when people on an obscure Internet forum. Direct abuse at those they disagree with.

Life really is too short.

The political polar opposites, will never change one another’s mind. So, in the grand scheme of things, it’s quite infantile, futile at best, to even try!
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Amazing how you could do a stand up act using material on someone you don't know the first thing about. There's no end to your talents. Impressive for somebody who plainly isn't the sharpest tool in the box.
Anyway, enough of the insults for now. Let's get back on topic. What do you think Starmer's strategy and policy should be going forward to oust the nasty Tories like Raab and all his cohorts?
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Starmer doesn't have to do anything...just watch this lot implode.
 
Lost Seasider said:
He's positioning himself as successor to Boris and I think there's probably a lot of support for his comments amongst the people he neads to court.

Incidentally, his father was a Czech refugees from 1938 so there may be personal reasons why he's less than keen to submit to this kind of mob rule.
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Interesting. I didn't know that about his father, although I knew about his European background.
 
Shandypants said:
I provided an answer. Starmer will sit tight, he'll win an election without having to do anything. This lot are that bad.
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We’ll see if your confidence is well placed. The problem is you’ve got a long wait. Four and a half years and as the saying goes, a week is a long time in politics
 
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