Racism starts at the top.

SEASIDE2020 said:
It would appear that in the land of AVFTT you are racist if you regularly comment on threads involving discussion on racism.

Posters are allowed to get with away making frivolous accusations of racism based on such an assumption because the moderator(s) follow that line of thinking.

If the posters who continually bang on about racism and racists and are allowed to make these ridiculous accusations were to stop putting up threads on racial issues, no fecker would be interested in discussing any such nonsense.

It would appear that if you don't agree with everything that they are not happy with and on exactly how they believe that things should be addressed then you are a racist.
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Are you denigrating the efforts of yourself and your fellow travelers on this forum? None of you are shy in beating your own drum on these threads.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Are you denigrating the efforts of yourself and your fellow travelers on this forum? None of you are shy in beating your own drum on these threads.
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66

I really don't know what you are trying to get at.

My post was very clear and I think most fair minded people would see it is an explanation of how I see things and a defence against ridiculous accusations rather than me "beating my own drum".
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Racism everywhere should be called out. The racism at the top of the Tory Party is not negated because Corbyn's weak and poor leadership of the Labour Party allowed anti-semitism to take hold in some areas. Both must be fought and Keir Starmer has taken big steps to do that in the Labour Party.

Now then, do you believe what the OP says about the lack of clear leadership on condemning racism, at the top in Government?
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totally agree both parties guilty of racism my point was cat can only see one side with his blinkers on
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
66

I really don't know what you are trying to get at.

My post was very clear and I think most fair minded people would see it is an explanation of how I see things and a defence against ridiculous accusations rather than me "beating my own drum".
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No, no, no 2020, it wasn't a slight. You talked about the left and the Mods dictating the tone on this forum. My point was to say that you and others who don't make left-wing posts have plenty to say yourselves. It's not like your opinions are edited out.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
No, no, no 2020, it wasn't a slight. You talked about the left and the Mods dictating the tone on this forum. My point was to say that you and others who don't make left-wing posts have plenty to say yourselves. It's not like your opinions are edited out.
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Afternoon 66,

Apologies if I misunderstood your post, I'm still not sure that I understand it now.

I think you were referring to my original post on this thread when I suggested that race issues were overstated on this forum and that posters who didn't agree with others on how such issues were addressed faced ridiculous accusations of racism because of that.

I stand by that, I have just had another poster refer to me as a "classic closet racist" because although I agreed with him that there was a problem with racism in football, we didn't agree on the size of the problem and on how it should be addressed.

I certainly don't believe that the moderation of this forum is necessarily down to left versus right - I will discuss specific issues re the moderation with you another time - but certain opinions are allowed/not allowed because of the personality of the poster/mod rather than the content of the post.

Do you think that a poster should be allowed to refer to another poster as a "classic closet racist" without providing any evidence of racism from the poster that he is referring to ?

Sorry if my original response was too damning 66, I know that I probably still haven't addressed things.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Afternoon 66,

Apologies if I misunderstood your post, I'm still not sure that I understand it now.

I think you were referring to my original post on this thread when I suggested that race issues were overstated on this forum and that posters who didn't agree with others on how such issues were addressed faced ridiculous accusations of racism because of that.

I stand by that, I have just had another poster refer to me as a "classic closet racist" because although I agreed with him that there was a problem with racism in football, we didn't agree on the size of the problem and on how it should be addressed.

I certainly don't believe that the moderation of this forum is necessarily down to left versus right - I will discuss specific issues re the moderation with you another time - but certain opinions are allowed/not allowed because of the personality of the poster/mod rather than the content of the post.

Do you think that a poster should be allowed to refer to another poster as a "classic closet racist" without providing any evidence of racism from the poster that he is referring to ?

Sorry if my original response was too damning 66, I know that I probably still haven't addressed things.
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I think it was the personalities & mods bit I must have picked up on but read it as a left v right thing.
I've said on here before that it's the messages we need to refer to rather than point fingers directly at individuals (unless it's in jest, of course). I don't know the statement you are referring to but it would be better to comment that that post comes across as rather racist as opposed to YOU are a racist....speaking generally of course.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I think it was the personalities & mods bit I must have picked up on but read it as a left v right thing.
I've said on here before that it's the messages we need to refer to rather than point fingers directly at individuals (unless it's in jest, of course). I don't know the statement you are referring to but it would be better to comment that that post comes across as rather racist as opposed to YOU are a racist....speaking generally of course.
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66

Funny you should say this now.

I also don't think that it's acceptable that posters are allowed to make accusations of racism against other posters, other posters who just happen to hold different views on race issues - they may hold different opinions on the size of the problem or perhaps on how any problems should be addressed.

I have just disagreed with another poster, we were discussing the problem of racism in football but just disagreed on the size of the problem and on how the problems could be addressed.

The other poster then makes ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism against me with no evidence to support any form of racist behaviour on my part.

The moderator is of the opinion that the other poster has not broken any forum rules.

As I've already said, the moderation has got nothing to do with content and all down to the personality and personal opinion.

I may disagree with you at times 66 but I have no beef with you and I appreciate that you've done nothing wrong and that most of the above has got nothing to do with you.
 
I dont think johnson is racist, in as much as he's wiling to support or denigrate anyone or any group for his own self advancement.

If black voters were the key demographic or inordinately rich, he wouldn't say one bad thing about them.

He's probably not a racist, just a dreadful person.
 
Foolweary said:
I dont think johnson is racist, in as much as he's wiling to support or denigrate anyone or any group for his own self advancement.

If black voters were the key demographic or inordinately rich, he wouldn't say one bad thing about them.

He's probably not a racist, just a dreadful person.
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Agreed - I expect he realises that those buffoons that boo the knee-taking represent a crucial pillar of his support base so is loathe to alienate them by criticising their actions.
 
Foolweary said:
I dont think johnson is racist, in as much as he's wiling to support or denigrate anyone or any group for his own self advancement.

If black voters were the key demographic or inordinately rich, he wouldn't say one bad thing about them.

He's probably not a racist, just a dreadful person.
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Asian women look like letter boxes

Black children are piccanninies with watermelon smiles

Can't bring himself to condemn the booing of England players


Absolutely not a racist bone in his body.
 
Wizaard said:
Asian women look like letter boxes

Black children are piccanninies with watermelon smiles

Can't bring himself to condemn the booing of England players


Absolutely not a racist bone in his body.
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Yes clearly there's enough evidence for anybody to reasonably conclude he's a racist.

however, My thought is that he would say disgraceful things about anyone as long as he personally benefits. And in these cases he was cynically looking for the adoration of some of the very worst kind of people we have in our nation purely for political gain. But quite honestly he'd say the exact opposite if it was to his benefit.

So is he ideologically r ascist, maybe.

Does he lack any moral principle at all, is he willing to to carry out any heinous act if it means he succeeds, is he willing to play the part of a racist as part of his game plan?

I think the answer is yes, and that makes him even worse.
 
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Foolweary said:
Yes clearly there's enough evidence for anybody to reasonably conclude he's a racist.

however, My thought is that he would say disgraceful things about anyone as long as he personally benefits. And in these cases he was attracting the adoration of some of the very worst kind of people we have in our nation purely for political gain. But quite honestly he'd say the exact opposite if it was to his benefit.

So is he ideologically r ascist, maybe.

Does he lack any moral principle at all, is he willing to to carry out any heinous act if it means he succeeds, is he willing to play the part of a racist as part of his game plan?

I think the answer is yes, and that makes him even worse.
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Yes, a Europhile until he saw there was an opportunity to gain the leadership by going for the Brexit vote. I have no doubt it would have been the other way round if Cameron/May had been Eurosceptics.
 
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