Reason why I trust the process.

Seaseaseasider said:
I understand your point, but if that was the case then it would be hard to see if we were actually building anything. At the moment we're defensively solid, we just need to add a goal or two a game and we're cruising. We've built the foundation and now need to add a spark. If you're winning 3-0 and then losing 3-0, frankly you're likely to be all over the place with no idea what to work on, what the next development is likely to be, and if the manager has a clue what he's doing or not.
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Adding a goal or two per game is the hardest thing to do in football and we are nowhere near doing that.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
To be frank I dont give a flying fuck what most of the idiots post on this site

He shouldn't go and he won't

However he needs to find a way of creating chances asap or the atmosphere will turn
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Totally agree. We're short up top and a creative midfielder despite having 7 players in the squad for the latter.

I think a lot of the issues with the defence bringing it out is the lack of movement. Completely static. No one offering to take the ball or moving into space.
 
Wizaard said:
And plenty on here are piling in because they cried like girls over him not saying goodbye.

He's unbeaten in 5 games and he has to go? Mental.
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For Christ sake give it a rest. I have never read a post on here complaining because he didn’t say goodbye. He left in a shithouse way, there have been many posts of that ilk all of them correct, he did. You say they are crying like girls well you are just as bad keep banging on about saying goodbye. That wasn’t the reason for the animosity and you know it, as I said, give it a bloody rest.
 
Albert Ross said:
For Christ sake give it a rest. I have never read a post on here complaining because he didn’t say goodbye. He left in a shithouse way, there have been many posts of that ilk all of them correct, he did. You say they are crying like girls well you are just as bad keep banging on about saying goodbye. That wasn’t the reason for the animosity and you know it, as I said, give it a bloody rest.
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You haven't looked closely enough then.

Go on then, what else are people upset about then? He left us in the Championship on 60 points after promotion.
 
Wizaard said:
You haven't looked closely enough then.

Go on then, what else are people upset about then? He left us in the Championship on 60 points after promotion.
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They’re annoyed because he jumped ship a couple of weeks before preseason, 3 months after signing a long term contract and spouting his drivel about how happy he was , long term project etc. I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. I have never, ever known a football manager leave a job without saying anything at all. I think he didn’t say anything because he knew he couldn’t justify his decision. He was partially to blame for our relegation, in that if he hadn’t done one, Appleton, MacCarthy etc. wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why Sadler took him back on, ok he had a modicum of success, but the football was mainly just as boring then as it is now. I didn’t want him back and he will never get my support. Of course I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but I will never respect him.
 
Wizaard said:
You haven't looked closely enough then.

Go on then, what else are people upset about then? He left us in the Championship on 60 points after promotion.
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Personally I couldn't give two hoots about the way he left, all this badge kissing bollocks in football and "oh he really gets us" is complete shite there's no loyalty in football, none.
My issue is the style of football we play under him. And before you say it, yes he got us promoted and comfortable in the Championship but football is an entertainment industry and the way we play offers very little of that.
 
Albert Ross said:
They’re annoyed because he jumped ship a couple of weeks before preseason, 3 months after signing a long term contract and spouting his drivel about how happy he was , long term project etc. I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. I have never, ever known a football manager leave a job without saying anything at all. I think he didn’t say anything because he knew he couldn’t justify his decision. He was partially to blame for our relegation, in that if he hadn’t done one, Appleton, MacCarthy etc. wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why Sadler took him back on, ok he had a modicum of success, but the football was mainly just as boring then as it is now. I didn’t want him back and he will never get my support. Of course I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but I will never respect him.
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He will never get my support. Exactly why its a childish attitude.
 
Albert Ross said:
They’re annoyed because he jumped ship a couple of weeks before preseason, 3 months after signing a long term contract and spouting his drivel about how happy he was , long term project etc. I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. I have never, ever known a football manager leave a job without saying anything at all. I think he didn’t say anything because he knew he couldn’t justify his decision. He was partially to blame for our relegation, in that if he hadn’t done one, Appleton, MacCarthy etc. wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why Sadler took him back on, ok he had a modicum of success, but the football was mainly just as boring then as it is now. I didn’t want him back and he will never get my support. Of course I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but I will never respect him.
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So this shit manager we have now would have been our saviour last season?
 
King Billy said:
So this shit manager we have now would have been our saviour last season?
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Thats not what i said and you know it. I said his jumping ship led to the MA & MM appointments, which in turn led to relegation. This is the last time I will explain a perfectly reasonable and understandable post to the hard of thinking.
 
Albert Ross said:
Thats not what i said and you know it. I said his jumping ship led to the MA & MM appointments, which in turn led to relegation. This is the last time I will explain a perfectly reasonable and understandable post to the hard of thinking.
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Sorry not having that. If Sadler and Mansford make poor managerial appointments that’s on them 100%.

So if Crichley left again and we appointed Paul Ince that makes it his fault Paul Ince is our manager?
 
King Billy said:
Sorry not having that. If Sadler and Mansford make poor managerial appointments that’s on them 100%.

So if Crichley left again and we appointed Paul Ince that makes it his fault Paul Ince is our manager?
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For the last time, Sadler et al appointed MA and MM, yes we agree on that. IF, I repeat IF Critchley hadn’t jumped ship those appointments would never have needed to be made.
 
Albert Ross said:
For the last time, Sadler et al appointed MA and MM, yes we agree on that. IF, I repeat IF Critchley hadn’t jumped ship those appointments would never have needed to be made.
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And if Critchleys mum had fancied a quiet night in 50 years ago and not met his dad, he’d have never been born. So it’s actually her fault he’s here in the first place but also her fault he was here in order to then leave. So relegation last year was actually Critchleys mums fault. That your logic.
 
Albert Ross said:
For the last time, Sadler et al appointed MA and MM, yes we agree on that. IF, I repeat IF Critchley hadn’t jumped ship those appointments would never have needed to be made.
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But you also said that you understand completely the reasons for Critchley leaving;

" I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. "

So you understand why he left whilst you still blame him for leaving, you blame him for doing what in your words 'anybody with sense' would do.

Get over it, Critchley is the manager whether you like it or not and what he did happens in football. The appointment of Appleton is on the board, Rosenior would have been a better choice with hindsite, but the board chose Appleton.
If you actually support the club then get behind the manager, he is a talented coach and we are lucky to have him.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Yeah. Pretty sure I alluded to that. But it’s a process nonetheless.

Not sure how you expected someone to come in and turn the clusterfuck that was Blackpool FC last season around overnight.
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Dobbie didn’t do too bad and I think we’d still be a championship club had he come in instead of Macarthy
 
LA1 Seasider said:
It’s easy to forget how well organised, disciplined and meticulously prepared we were under Critchley in both League 1 and the Championship. Every player knew their role, responsibilities and that of every other player in the squad. We’d also built a culture of winning and being tough to beat over a period of months and years.
All that good work was undone last year. Critch has inherited a team low on confidence, lacking any sort of consistency and without the creative and cohesive influence (both on and off the pitch) that had done us well the 2 years previously. This squad was ill disciplined and disorganised. Easily overrun and beaten physically and mentally time after time last season.
He’s starting with the basics. Making us hard to beat and getting a defensive structure in place we can rely on. If we have a structured platform to build on, If were picking up points and well in games then small improvements and tactical changes will lead to tangible results. If we were being overrun like last season there’d be no chance of achieving anything.

It’s certainly not pretty at present and it is frustrating. But even playing the way we currently are we know we’re just 1 moment of genius (or 1 error from the opposition) away from 3 points.
Im confident with recruitment, with training and with more time the necessary changes will come.

We don’t currently have the players to switch to a 4-3-3 and don’t have the players to play with the preferred fullbacks and wide-men set up which was previously so successful. I also think it’s clear we lack the physicality of Madine in order to play Lavery in a similar role to that of Yates.

One thing I can say for certain is that Marvin Ekpiteta is no Frans Beckenbaur - and whilst I trust the process and recognise patience is needed I really need to stop seeing Marv telegraphing 70yard passes. I would have happily defended against us for 90 minutes today.
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You are an optimist . We had a team that was playing in a division higher last season , Critchley brought in the players he wanted .We had a successful pre season and our first game we looked pretty good . Since then we have become boring , hardly had a shot. We could have lost our last 3 games and 3 points from 3 games is relegation form. You are in the minority and it's obvious why.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
But you also said that you understand completely the reasons for Critchley leaving;

" I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. "

So you understand why he left whilst you still blame him for leaving, you blame him for doing what in your words 'anybody with sense' would do.

Get over it, Critchley is the manager whether you like it or not and what he did happens in football. The appointment of Appleton is on the board, Rosenior would have been a better choice with hindsite, but the board chose Appleton.
If you actually support the club then get behind the manager, he is a talented coach and we are lucky to have him.
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I do understand why he left and I not blaming him for leaving. I am blaming him for being the catalyst of our relegation, for leaving when and how he did. I have been very consistent in the blame game.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
And if Critchleys mum had fancied a quiet night in 50 years ago and not met his dad, he’d have never been born. So it’s actually her fault he’s here in the first place but also her fault he was here in order to then leave. So relegation last year was actually Critchleys mums fault. That your logic.
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🔔end.
 
Albert Ross said:
I do understand why he left and I not blaming him for leaving. I am blaming him for being the catalyst of our relegation, for leaving when and how he did. I have been very consistent in the blame game.
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The board appointed Appleton, they could have appointed Rosenior. Absolutely nothing to do with Critchley.

I would guess that Appleton wasted the compo that the club got from Critch on the crocks like Bridcutt and Trybull. Again nothing to do with Critchley.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The board appointed Appleton, they could have appointed Rosenior. Absolutely nothing to do with Critchley.

I would guess that Appleton wasted the compo that the club got from Critch on the crocks like Bridcutt and Trybull. Again nothing to do with Critchley.
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Ok you win, Critchley is the best thing since sliced bread, I’m over the moon he’s back and I will thoroughly enjoy his brand of exciting entertaining football for however long he’s in post.😴
 
Albert Ross said:
Ok you win, Critchley is the best thing since sliced bread, I’m over the moon he’s back and I will thoroughly enjoy his brand of exciting entertaining football for however long he’s in post.😴
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OK sarcasm aside, if Critchley isn't such a good coach (as the post above implies), why were you annoyed about the manner that he left the club? You should have been pleased to get rid of a dud like him as there must have been loads of better coaches available at the time (like Appleton and McCarthy for instance).
The comments are not logical and stink of sour grapes.
Get over it and support the manager and team. If Critchley fails he will be potted.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
You are an optimist . We had a team that was playing in a division higher last season , Critchley brought in the players he wanted .We had a successful pre season and our first game we looked pretty good . Since then we have become boring , hardly had a shot. We could have lost our last 3 games and 3 points from 3 games is relegation form. You are in the minority and it's obvious why.
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But the reason we were playing in the Championship last season wasn’t because of the players that were playing for us last season but because of players the season before and the season before that. If anything the players Critchley has taken over from last season aren’t good enough and that’s why we’re still a work in progress.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
But the reason we were playing in the Championship last season wasn’t because of the players that were playing for us last season but because of players the season before and the season before that. If anything the players Critchley has taken over from last season aren’t good enough and that’s why we’re still a work in progress.
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The players that we have now have just played 46 games at a higher level then 21 of the teams that we are going to face this season. Wigan and Reading have had player embargo's and are still skint yet Reading are doing ok and Wigan should be top now. The players you say were not good enough last season were probably not getting games as we were getting loans from Arsenal , Man City, Leeds and Wolves. So explain why we are so poor from a Championship team to a team that can hardly get a shot on Port Vale and Orient.
 
Really don’t get this work in progress thing which somehow masks over these poor performances. We don’t look solid either and in my opinion we are only a game away from a real drubbing.

Critchley is trying all these pretty white board formations and the players don’t look comfortable. There is usually a 10 minute spell and then they run out of ideas quickly and lack confidence. Our final third play is so predictable to the point where we have the likes of Husband and Casey providing overlapping runs. Andy Lyons and CJ are always cutting in on their stronger foot (which might be the plan) but it all ends up so narrow and so easy to defend against.

I’ve tried to understand and even imagined Ben Chilwell at right wing back or Andy Robertson at right wing back or even Kyle Walker at left wing back but really struggling to understand what Critchley is wanting to achieve.

So my conclusion is that whilst it is early in the season, it’s the crap tactics that are causing these poor performances. The fact people can turn these performances into a positive by claiming we look solid is quite frankly laughable.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
So my conclusion is that whilst it is early in the season, it’s the crap tactics that are causing these poor performances. The fact people can turn these performances into a positive by claiming we look solid is quite frankly laughable.
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Facts dear boy, facts - it's called critical thinking
0 goals conceded in 5 games confirms that we are solid at the back regardless of what you think. There can be no argument about that unless you are actually delusional.
If you want to attack Critchley perhaps focus on the lack of goals - that is certainly a problem.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
I’ve tried to understand and even imagined Ben Chilwell at right wing back or Andy Robertson at right wing back or even Kyle Walker at left wing back but really struggling to understand what Critchley is wanting to achieve.
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Inverted full backs / wing backs is a pretty standard tactic these days, I think the idea is that they can go wide and also exploit space inside more easily - a nightmare to defend against;

www.coachesvoice.com

Inverted full-backs: football tactics explained - The Coaches' Voice

Pep Guardiola is known for using inverted full-backs, but Jürgen Klopp has also done so at Liverpool. We take an in-depth look at the role
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
Inverted full backs / wing backs is a pretty standard tactic these days, I think the idea is that they can go wide and also exploit space inside more easily - a nightmare to defend against;

www.coachesvoice.com

Inverted full-backs: football tactics explained - The Coaches' Voice

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Ha. We are f*****g Blackpool, not Barcelona.

Wigan and Oxford are doing well and scoring plenty. Have a look at what formation they play.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Facts dear boy, facts - it's called critical thinking
0 goals conceded in 5 games confirms that we are solid at the back regardless of what you think. There can be no argument about that unless you are actually delusional.
If you want to attack Critchley perhaps focus on the lack of goals - that is certainly a problem.
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Football isn’t as black and white as you make out. We could sign a top striker and it still wouldn’t make a difference. The problem is the whole system and formation. It’s a shambles.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
But the reason we were playing in the Championship last season wasn’t because of the players that were playing for us last season but because of players the season before and the season before that. If anything the players Critchley has taken over from last season aren’t good enough and that’s why we’re still a work in progress.
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At least 10 of the current squad were brought in under Critchley either in the promotion season or whilst in the Championship.
He's further added Morgan, Pennington, Norburn, Joseph, ODonnell, Oakley-Booth and Weir (on loan)
That's 17 players of his choice or he's agreed to that HE thinks are good enough.
If anything he has virtually a full squad of his own players, the majority of which should already know what he wants from his players.

Therefore I don't understand your work in progress statement.!
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Football isn’t as black and white as you make out. We could sign a top striker and it still wouldn’t make a difference. The problem is the whole system and formation. It’s a shambles.
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I disagree.
A good striker is what we are missing, it's the final part of the jigsaw, with some quality up top some of these draws would have been wins IMO.

The playing around at the back is to invite the press, as soon as the press is triggered there is more space in the midfield area to exploit. This is how football is played these days, we are lucky to have a coach like Critchley. It will take a while for the players to learn their roles but give them a proper chance. It's hard to believe that we are unbeaten and some are still moaning.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Football isn’t as black and white as you make out.
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I'm not the one who wets the bed every time things don't go as I would have hoped.
I'd say, it's you who has a black and white view of football, toys out of the pram if the club doesn't achieve immediate success. It's unrealistic and counter productive.
If Critchley fails he will be potted, give him a fair chance, he has done it before at Blackpool.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I disagree.
A good striker is what we are missing, it's the final part of the jigsaw, with some quality up top some of these draws would have been wins IMO.

The playing around at the back is to invite the press, as soon as the press is triggered there is more space in the midfield area to exploit. This is how football is played these days, we are lucky to have a coach like Critchley. It will take a while for the players to learn their roles but give them a proper chance. It's hard to believe that we are unbeaten and some are still moaning.
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Lucky to have a coach who plays CJ at right wing back and Lyons at left wing back? It’s no better than Appleton playing Lavery right wing.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Lucky to have a coach who plays CJ at right wing back and Lyons at left wing back? It’s no better than Appleton playing Lavery right wing.
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See the reply above on inverted wing backs which I think that you concede is fairly standard amongst progressive and successful coaches these days - it will take some time for them to learn their roles, maybe they won't be able to, maybe they won't be good enough but give them a chance.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
See the reply above on inverted wing backs which I think that you concede is fairly standard amongst progressive and successful coaches these days - it will take some time for them to learn their roles, maybe they won't be able to, maybe they won't be good enough but give them a chance.
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I’ve seen enough to know it won’t work. It’s over complex rubbish and made even worse by playing the full backs on the wrong side. At least Trent Alexander starts in the right back position on his strong foot.
 
Wizzerboy said:
At least 10 of the current squad were brought in under Critchley either in the promotion season or whilst in the Championship.
He's further added Morgan, Pennington, Norburn, Joseph, ODonnell, Oakley-Booth and Weir (on loan)
That's 17 players of his choice or he's agreed to that HE thinks are good enough.
If anything he has virtually a full squad of his own players, the majority of which should already know what he wants from his players.

Therefore I don't understand your work in progress statement.!
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Correct

its completely a Critchley squad now, there can be no excuses

None at all
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
See the reply above on inverted wing backs which I think that you concede is fairly standard amongst progressive and successful coaches these days - it will take some time for them to learn their roles, maybe they won't be able to, maybe they won't be good enough but give them a chance.
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It's not standard at all

Inverted wingers fine as the full backs can overlap

But not inverted wingbacks

Who plays inverted wingbacks?
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
See the reply above on inverted wing backs which I think that you concede is fairly standard amongst progressive and successful coaches these days - it will take some time for them to learn their roles, maybe they won't be able to, maybe they won't be good enough but give them a chance.
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yeah, i have to disagree with you on these inverted wing backs too. It's all right for progressive and successful coaches these days but I'd guess these coaches are coaching at a higher level than we currently are. Said it previously our players aren't technically good enough with both feet to play as inverted wing backs. Speed of thought, ability to pass and go and move about are qualities our players don't possess.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
And if Critchleys mum had fancied a quiet night in 50 years ago and not met his dad, he’d have never been born. So it’s actually her fault he’s here in the first place but also her fault he was here in order to then leave. So relegation last year was actually Critchleys mums fault. That your logic.
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Can we keep this going till we end up with the big bang and the questions that throws up about the origins of time and existence and somehow link this to Critch?

I'd love Chissy to pose him a question on the fundamental unknowability of the universe and the purpose of life tbh.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The board appointed Appleton, they could have appointed Rosenior. Absolutely nothing to do with Critchley.

I would guess that Appleton wasted the compo that the club got from Critch on the crocks like Bridcutt and Trybull. Again nothing to do with Critchley.
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BOLLUX. 100%

You think for one second that MA waited for free agents to sign for stupid money? You forgot Ward in there too.

Down to the process, nothing more.
 
20togo said:
yeah, i have to disagree with you on these inverted wing backs too. It's all right for progressive and successful coaches these days but I'd guess these coaches are coaching at a higher level than we currently are. Said it previously our players aren't technically good enough with both feet to play as inverted wing backs. Speed of thought, ability to pass and go and move about are qualities our players don't possess.
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Exactly. The manager is trying to impose a system of play on a set of players to which they are wholly unsuited. I hate how we are deliberately avoiding playing to our strengths and not selecting tactics based around the players we actually have but in some misguided belief that the tactics will win the day in any event.
 
Albert Ross said:
They’re annoyed because he jumped ship a couple of weeks before preseason, 3 months after signing a long term contract and spouting his drivel about how happy he was , long term project etc. I don’t think anyone would begrudge him a much better paying job, nobody with any sense would turn it down, but the bullshit about not being able to make a statement is exactly that. I have never, ever known a football manager leave a job without saying anything at all. I think he didn’t say anything because he knew he couldn’t justify his decision. He was partially to blame for our relegation, in that if he hadn’t done one, Appleton, MacCarthy etc. wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why Sadler took him back on, ok he had a modicum of success, but the football was mainly just as boring then as it is now. I didn’t want him back and he will never get my support. Of course I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but I will never respect him.
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Can’t argue with that.
 
What I remember of Critchley first time around is yes the promotion and also the boring passing around at the back ,the lack of entertainment in some games and the results slowly getting worse as his time went on. With Peterborough putting 5 past us and the dreadful passing around at the back even when we were losing , I have no faith and I don't trust him ,but some people are easily lead.
 
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