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Jaffa_The_Hut
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I doubt it will be a republic in your kids, your grand children, indeed any future grand children and their children 10/20 times over.
So your girlfriends going to have to accept it I feel.
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rockontommy
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Let's revisit this thread after a few years of King Sausage Fingers in the hot seat.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Plenty of others to step in to his shoes though that’s if he buggered off before his time.
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rockontommy
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True. It really is a clever system.
LA1 Seasider
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I’m not against the monarchy and do feel there is a role to play for them as an element of our culture and identity however I do feel that in the coming months and years it is right to start to ask questions and consider whether or not the monarchy can justifiably, in 2022, be part of our democratic processes and whether or not in the coming years it is right for an extended family to essentially live a life of gods with multiple palaces, estates and houses supported and enabled by the machinery of the state.
A downsizing of the Royal Family and their infrastructure and a move to purely (and strictly) ceremonial duties as opposed to to their current role would in my mind be appropriate. Such a change would need to happen gradually over decades or even generations too.
Just my personal opinion but I think it’s a more moderate one than some.
A downsizing of the Royal Family and their infrastructure and a move to purely (and strictly) ceremonial duties as opposed to to their current role would in my mind be appropriate. Such a change would need to happen gradually over decades or even generations too.
Just my personal opinion but I think it’s a more moderate one than some.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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That’s why they all breed like flies.
I haven't watched the TV in the last week and guess what!!, a bit like I haven't been to church in a very long time and that's irrelevant to me aswell.
Monarchy is a bit like religion, I asked questions about it, thought about it and now I don't believe in it, however if you accept it and have faith in it possibly it makes life easier for you.
The Catcher in the Rye
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Never thought about it like that, The Church and the Crown used to the two cornerstones of society in our country a couple of hundred years ago, the Church probably swaying more influence in peoples lives at that time. Within that time the Church has become a near irrelevance and has lost any true power or influence, is the Crown going the same way?
In many ways its hard to make sense of the monarchy if you aren't a believer in organised religion.
The Windsors are no more special a family than yours or mine in the sense that they aren't any more capable and they suffer from the same faults and weaknesses (to be fair to my own less than perfect family certain Windsors are worse!). Unless you think they were appointed by God to rule over us why would you accept without question their very privileged position in our country?
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1966_and_all_that
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You'd have to go back to Henry VIII in 1534 for the last time the church and the Crown were separate entities in England. Henry usurped the Pope's authority and made himself head of the church in England. King Charles III is both Head of State (through Parliament) and Head of the Church of England.
Keep the faith
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Shandypants
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Its a very odd concept in 2022 that you become a king by birthright. That said it holds no power, they are a useful tool of the state to satisfy a certain type. My mother is a staunch royalist, never understood why and I doubt she can tell. She's become a bigger and more vocal fan the older she got and unfortunately a lot more bigoted in her views. It's like listening to the audio version of the Daily Mail and despite being retired and having plenty of money seems to vent a peculiar dislike of benefit claimants whilst missing the irony of the Royal family living in a council house on benefits.
Recidivist3
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The Monarchy owns Buckingham Palace plus about 30 other palacesglasshalffull
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There is no momentum to get rid of the monarchy at the moment in my opinion.
It was I think about 20 to 25 per cent in favour of abolition, and about 45 per cent in favour of retaining it, with a lot of don’t knows obviously before the Queen died.
I imagine after yesterday their position has been significantly shored up.
Those figures could shift a lot no doubt in the next few years now we have lost the Queen, but what is the mechanism for change anyway even if the population wants it?
It was I think about 20 to 25 per cent in favour of abolition, and about 45 per cent in favour of retaining it, with a lot of don’t knows obviously before the Queen died.
I imagine after yesterday their position has been significantly shored up.
Those figures could shift a lot no doubt in the next few years now we have lost the Queen, but what is the mechanism for change anyway even if the population wants it?
Newholland
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My mother is a staunch royalist, also deeply religious. I’m neither but I understand the sense of belonging, comfort etc that they give her and can respect that... but then again I don’t carry an angry chip on my intolerant left shoulder Oh the irony of the word tolerance
( I have attached for the benefit of 1966....
)Don't think you have to be angry, intolerant or left wing or have any chips on shoulders to find the whole idea of monarchy in the 21st century a bit silly.My mother is a staunch royalist, also deeply religious. I’m neither but I understand the sense of belonging, comfort etc that they give her and can respect that... but then again I don’t carry an angry chip on my intolerant left shoulder Oh the irony of the word tolerance
TSSeasider
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The system works well and has done for a few centuries.
The monarch is above and outside of politics and a figurehead; at a time when politicians are untrustworthy and divisive, a figurehead who represents all of us - if only because of birth - is as good - if not better than the alternatives.
This country still retains its global position and the monarch's soft power is useful when deployed
As regards the Church, make no mistake, it still has considerable sway as seen in St George's Chapel and Westminster Abbey (lots of it behind the scenes mind).
Oh and King Charles will be fine; he knows the role he's not going to play. It will be left to the Prince of Wales to take up the slack and hopefully not in a hypocritical way like his environmental preacher little brother.
The monarch is above and outside of politics and a figurehead; at a time when politicians are untrustworthy and divisive, a figurehead who represents all of us - if only because of birth - is as good - if not better than the alternatives.
This country still retains its global position and the monarch's soft power is useful when deployed
As regards the Church, make no mistake, it still has considerable sway as seen in St George's Chapel and Westminster Abbey (lots of it behind the scenes mind).
Oh and King Charles will be fine; he knows the role he's not going to play. It will be left to the Prince of Wales to take up the slack and hopefully not in a hypocritical way like his environmental preacher little brother.
bollieboy
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King Charles III has all the relevant requirements to be king.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Have i said otherwise?
Newholland
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Like you, I haven’t watched any coverage of the last couple of weeks events, not my thing but millions have... on Monday billions worldwide... bit silly? Obviously not to many people.
As to the first part of your post... the emoji I used seems to have been lost on you... apologies
Recidivist3
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Not strictly true now, is it.
I seem to recall her getting her sticky little fingers involved in having laws modified before they were passed to protect and even increase her personal wealth
or did I just dream that
Chunkylad
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Would people be prepared to bow or courtesy to an elected politician in the same manner that they would the Royal family?
What about to a really famous celebrity? Some of the You Tubers and Tik Tok stars have millions of followers around the world. Surely they are worthy of deference too?
What about to a really famous celebrity? Some of the You Tubers and Tik Tok stars have millions of followers around the world. Surely they are worthy of deference too?
Matesrates
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I won’t bow to anyone.
Been in a rush today so probably didn't read properly, billions are into religion aswell, I think that's silly but just my opinion.Like you, I haven’t watched any coverage of the last couple of weeks events, not my thing but millions have... on Monday billions worldwide... bit silly? Obviously not to many people.
As to the first part of your post... the emoji I used seems to have been lost on you... apologies
Bisphamtang
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Not a monarchist by any stretch but a lot of people are, they provide continuity and have got us out of diplomatic jams in past ,think Suez.
I have found the wall to wall coverage a bit too much.
Wonky system but would I want President Truss as our head of state....nah
I have found the wall to wall coverage a bit too much.
Wonky system but would I want President Truss as our head of state....nah
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TSSeasider
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I think the Guardian mentioned something about it but they've got an agenda and look down at folk like us and think we're a bit thick, rather than recognising the quite majority of the UK population understand and are perfectly happy with to role of the monarchy and Parliament.Not strictly true now, is it.
I seem to recall her getting her sticky little fingers involved in having laws modified before they were passed to protect and even increase her personal wealth
or did I just dream that
Recidivist3
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I can’t believe that Mr I’m an important person in Teesside and have met other important people in Teesside and beyond feels looked down on by the Guardian
if anything they would applaud your spelling mistakes
ElBurroSinNombre
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The current king used to write to cabinet ministers frequently when he was POW.
Sometimes I agree with some of his ideas, but to do this is just wrong, smacks of arrogance and undermines the role of a hereditary monarchy.
How long will it be before he wants to meddle again? - for instance we already know that King Charles disapproves of the government's policy of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda.
He has said he will keep his nose out of things but let's see.
The Sun newspaper famously said that the queen supported Brexit. This has turned out to be untrue, like so much of what they publish, according to a close advisor at the time of the referendum (first link). The queen was in fact an ardent European, if German state diplomatic papers from the 80s are to be believed (second link).
Queen Elizabeth didn't back Brexit, former adviser claims
According to a former senior aide, Queen Elizabeth was politically "astute."
'Future of Britain is in Europe,' the Queen told Germany in 1988
Diplomatic cables reveal the monarch also appeared to back the creation of a single market
www.theguardian.com
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