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catinstalbans

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Over this past few days I have seen so much abuse for this charity from vindictive abusive racists who seem to object to the colour of the skin of the people they save at sea.
Any one of us from the Blackpool area knows the vital work this charity does so I thought I would make a donation and then link to the page so that anyone else that wants to support such a fantastic service can save a little time to do the same.
Sterling stuff and every volunteer lifeboat person is a hero in my eyes.

 
Over this past few days I have seen so much abuse for this charity from vindictive abusive racists who seem to object to the colour of the skin of the people they save at sea.
Any one of us from the Blackpool area knows the vital work this charity does so I thought I would make a donation and then link to the page so that anyone else that wants to support such a fantastic service can save a little time to do the same.
Sterling stuff and every volunteer lifeboat person is a hero in my eyes.

It always astounds me that such a vital service gets no funding other than through donations from the generous public.
 
Family friends were on the Lifeboat back when I was a nipper, in those days there were no instant communications devices so in Lytham they just used to fire a cannon, one bang for the inshore, two bangs for the all weather.

A bit irrelevant but there you go, donated 👍
 
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Over this past few days I have seen so much abuse for this charity from vindictive abusive racists who seem to object to the colour of the skin of the people they save at sea.
Any one of us from the Blackpool area knows the vital work this charity does so I thought I would make a donation and then link to the page so that anyone else that wants to support such a fantastic service can save a little time to do the same.
Sterling stuff and every volunteer lifeboat person is a hero in my eyes.

totally agree with you for once cat my brother in law was in the RNLI for years
 
Can we not just support one positive post without being divisive?

What does this even achieve for you? Are you hoping the RNLI gets less money donated now?
I can assure know one donates to the RNLI on here any more than our fishing club does, we have events that raise hundreds of pounds each year.

But......... the RNLI should have declared millions of pounds was going abroad and not try to cover it up.

Charity starts at home not aboard, over the years the RNLI have had to cut back on many station locations due to funding if the funding going abroad (millions) was used here these sites wouldn’t have closed that’s my only gripe.

You pay a donation for the homeless you expect it to be used in this country for our homeless you don’t expect it to be sent abroad.
 
I can assure know one donates to the RNLI on here any more than our fishing club does, we have events that raise hundreds of pounds each year.

But......... the RNLI should have declared millions of pounds was going abroad and not try to cover it up.

Charity starts at home not aboard, over the years the RNLI have had to cut back on many station locations due to funding if the funding going abroad (millions) was used here these sites wouldn’t have closed that’s my only gripe.
Well why not write to them then instead of trying to persuade other people not to donate?

The thought process is utterly baffling, the internet, where everything good has to come with someone's second hand caveat they've copied and pasted from somewhere.

That's all forums are these days, a bunch of people desperately googling to validate their point of view.
 
Well why not write to them then instead of trying to persuade other people not to donate?

The thought process is utterly baffling, the internet, where everything good has to come with someone's second hand caveat they've copied and pasted from somewhere.

That's all forums are these days, a bunch of people desperately googling to validate their point of view.
No need to write to them one of our club members is an ex RNLI coxswain (retired from active service) at Fleetwood who now is part of the admin team he knows exactly what we all think and has taken our views back to head office.

But just for you it hasn’t stopped our fund raising events.
 
No need to write to them one of our club members is an ex RNLI coxswain (retired from active service) at Fleetwood who now is part of the admin team he knows exactly what we all think and has taken our views back to head office.

But just for you it hasn’t stopped our fund raising events.
That's great, probably should have put that in your original post then eh?
 
Can we not just support one positive post without being divisive?

What does this even achieve for you? Are you hoping the RNLI gets less money donated now?
I think you only have to read the o/p and his use of words "abusive racists" to realise behind the good intent of the the post and the work of the RNLI is the divisiveness that exists in all his threads.
 
That's great, probably should have put that in your original post then eh?
May be but only Cat can post a thread about RNLI fund raising and still manage to use the word racist in it or did only me see that?

Edit just said the same thing ref post above. 👍
 
May be but only Cat can post a thread about RNLI fund raising and still manage to use the word racist in it or did only me see that?

Edit just said the same thing ref post above. 👍
Yep, clearly FY8 can't yet he accuses you of being the divisive one. You really couldn't make it up but there again he did.
 
May be but only Cat can post a thread about RNLI fund raising and still manage to use the word racist in it or did only me see that?

Edit just said the same thing ref post above.
I make no apology for that. Search RNLI on twitter and see the racist scum posting.
They are far more worthy of your scorn. They are the divisive ones not rather than the person bringing a good cause to people's attention.
How can saving lives be criticised by anyone is beyond me, but not beyond 20s and co it seems.
 
I make no apology for that. Search RNLI on twitter and see the racist scum posting.
They are far more worthy of your scorn. They are the divisive ones not rather than the person bringing a good cause to people's attention.
How can saving lives be criticised by anyone is beyond me, but not beyond 20s and co it seems.
Every post of yours seems to have a racist element to it though! No-one has said that the RNLI isn't a good cause but if you hadn't realised that every time you post you are divisive. And can you direct me to any post on this thread where saving lives has been criticised? Of course you can't and why is that? Because you are being divisive.
 
Every post of yours seems to have a racist element to it though! No-one has said that the RNLI isn't a good cause but if you hadn't realised that every time you post you are divisive. And can you direct me to any post on this thread where saving lives has been criticised? Of course you can't and why is that? Because you are being divisive.
Do your posts?
Attack racists-No.
Attack a lying corrupt Prime Minister-No
Attack posters posting malicious and derogatory abuse against other posters on this forum -No.

Find a reason to twist it into a personal attack against me personally. More often than not.
My point is that you are more interested in personal hatred than in the RNLI saving lives.
 
I'll usually start working again for the new academic year somewhere round about the middle of August so can respond so much quicker for the next month or so. Should please those that attack me for starting a thread in the morning and then not responding till the evening, because let's face it work comes first.
Will have a lot of Olympic Sport to watch though.
 
I've thought for a while now that AVFTT is broken, hardly anyone makes an effort now, it's just bickering or posts like this whinging about the bickering.
Better that than wishing me dead, which this poster has (if the claims about his ID are correct ) has done in the past.
 
Do your posts?
Attack racists-No.
Attack a lying corrupt Prime Minister-No
Attack posters posting malicious and derogatory abuse against other posters on this forum -No.

Find a reason to twist it into a personal attack against me personally. More often than not.
My point is that you are more interested in personal hatred than in the RNLI saving lives.
Your agenda as someone who posts Antifa material is to twist everything round to racism.
Your agenda is to attack the PM and government with your malicious abuse. You really have nothing else to contribute. It's all about your own hatred of things you don't like. It consumes you. It eats you up.Yet you foolishly try to deny it influences your teachings even though you admit it's how you try to educate.

l don't do twitter and I don't go searching for political stories so I can have a rant on here. And just to repeat myself, the RNLI is a very worthy cause but just my opinion that you'd have got a lot more sympathy for their cause if you hadn't try to make it all about racism.
 
Charity starts at home not aboard, over the years the RNLI have had to cut back on many station locations due to funding if the funding going abroad (millions) was used here these sites wouldn’t have closed that’s my only gripe.

I mentioned a thread on the old forum, on reflection it was probably another place but it was relevant to this, after a bit of searching I found this Daily Mail article, which says much the same thing.

Essentially 20 years ago the RNLI was pretty old school, there were few paid staff (at head office), the lifeboat stations were mostly autonomous and staffed by volunteers, it was male dominated and un-PC but it worked and everyone was grateful for the service.

The problem was precisely because of the above the charity was awash with money to the point that the charity commission intervened and told them to reduce it, so they brought in a swathe of professional charity managers who changed the charity's remit from "rescue" to "drowning prevention" and things went downhill from there.

This new generation of third sector staff knew little to nothing about the sea or how lifeboats work so they started doing what they did know, which is to say health and safety procedures and codes of conduct, environmentalism, lobbying and PR for the latest fashionable cause (related to the sea or not) and running "drowning prevention" projects that are in all likelyhood a total waste of money.

Needless to say this army of form fillers quickly came into conflict with the people who actually manned the lifeboats, so they responed by getting rid of them, which then led to mass walk outs from the rest of the staff at the station, poor relations with the rescue volunteers generally, difficulties in attracting new volunteers and problems with progressing the ones they could attract.

So in the end they ended up with a great corporate image, top marks for diversity and environmental awareness, but no actual f***ing lifeboats.
 
But the
Your agenda as someone who posts Antifa material is to twist everything round to racism.
Your agenda is to attack the PM and government with your malicious abuse. You really have nothing else to contribute. It's all about your own hatred of things you don't like. It consumes you. It eats you up.Yet you foolishly try to deny it influences your teachings even though you admit it's how you try to educate.

l don't do twitter and I don't go searching for political stories so I can have a rant on here. And just to repeat myself, the RNLI is a very worthy cause but just my opinion that you'd have got a lot more sympathy for their cause if you hadn't try to make it all about racism.
But the whole point of the post is that there are numerous racists posting on twitter about how they have stopped donating to the RNLI because they have the audacity to rescue foreigners and so it is down to those of us who abhor racism to redress the balance. Maybe if you kept up with the news more by whatever means you would understand just how corruptly and dangerously for democracy this country is being run at the moment.
 
I mentioned a thread on the old forum, on reflection it was probably another place but it was relevant to this, after a bit of searching I found this Daily Mail article, which says much the same thing.

Essentially 20 years ago the RNLI was pretty old school, there were few paid staff (at head office), the lifeboat stations were mostly autonomous and staffed by volunteers, it was male dominated and un-PC but it worked and everyone was grateful for the service.

The problem was precisely because of the above the charity was awash with money to the point that the charity commission intervened and told them to reduce it, so they brought in a swathe of professional charity managers who changed the charity's remit from "rescue" to "drowning prevention" and things went downhill from there.

This new generation of third sector staff knew little to nothing about the sea or how lifeboats work so they started doing what they did know, which is to say health and safety procedures and codes of conduct, environmentalism, lobbying and PR for the latest fashionable cause (related to the sea or not) and running "drowning prevention" projects that are in all likelyhood a total waste of money.

Needless to say this army of form fillers quickly came into conflict with the people who actually manned the lifeboats, so they responed by getting rid of them, which then led to mass walk outs from the rest of the staff at the station, poor relations with the rescue volunteers generally, difficulties in attracting new volunteers and problems with progressing the ones they could attract.

So in the end they ended up with a great corporate image, top marks for diversity and environmental awareness, but no actual f***ing lifeboats.
What is your view on the 1200 scientists that warned that Boris Johnson's Covid strategy is a threat to the world and essentially criminal? I keep asking because it somehow keeps not being answered.
 
But the

But the whole point of the post is that there are numerous racists posting on twitter about how they have stopped donating to the RNLI because they have the audacity to rescue foreigners and so it is down to those of us who abhor racism to redress the balance. Maybe if you kept up with the news more by whatever means you would understand just how corruptly and dangerously for democracy this country is being run at the moment.
Good luck with the thought that you will ever eliminate racism. I reckon you more than redress the balance. I just wonder if you take this aggressiveness into the classroom with you? And thanks for the advice telling me what I need to watch. Think I'll pass on that.
I'll give you some advice though. Try relaxing and see if you can post anything positive about the football team you claim to support.
 
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I hope to god now that schools have broke up we aren’t gonna have to put up with cats bigoted divisive hatred every ten minutes for the next six weeks😯 please tell me he/ she has got marking to do👍🏻
Well it’s pretty obvious he has no other interests in life other than pointing the finger and venting his spleen at both Government and racists.

Heaven help us over the next 6 weeks. 😩
 
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My dad was rescued off star gate when I was a kid. He was out fishing with his pal, without these I don’t think he’d of lasted long in the water.
The weather turned and flipped the boat.
I always make a donation every year.
As wizzard says can’t believe they rely on donations.
Brave caring people who give there time to help others.
 
It always astounds me that such a vital service gets no funding other than through donations from the generous public.

Perhaps because it has £122.2m in free reserves with total net assets of £757.4m; that is far, far better than a huge number of Local Authorities.

It also received £15m more in 2020 than it spent.

Page 25 of their 2020 annual accounts


It's why they don't get Lottery funding etc.

The RNLI are clever in their approach; make it look like a little local lifeboat station, when in actual fact it's not; it's a well oiled money making machine relying on volunteers putting their lives on the line.

They shouldn't however be picking up the tab for the failure of international policies around trafficking migrants across the channel. It is only a matter of time before one of those volunteers dies trying to rescue somebody who is being exploited by human traffickers.

Ironically; it even has a section on human trafficking in it's annual report

"The RNLI is committed to ensuring that modern slavery and human trafficking are not present in its supply chains or partnerships. We continue to work with our suppliers and partners to ensure compliance with the UK Modern Slavery Act 2015. RNLI contracts include up-to date clauses on modern slavery and human trafficking to ensure that our suppliers are aware of their obligations."

But they are essentially facilitating it through the escorting of boats across the channel.
 
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Perhaps because it has £122.2m in free reserves with total net assets of £757.4m; that is far, far better than a huge number of Local Authorities.

It also received £15m more in 2020 than it spent.

Page 25 of their 2020 annual accounts


It's why they don't get Lottery funding etc.

The RNLI are clever in their approach; make it look like a little local lifeboat station, when in actual fact it's not; it's a well oiled money making machine relying on volunteers putting their lives on the line.

They shouldn't however be picking up the tab for the failure of international policies around trafficking migrants across the channel. It is only a matter of time before one of those volunteers dies trying to rescue somebody who is being exploited by human traffickers.
Let’s be real the £54 million would have been far better spent giving it the RNLI as a donation than giving it the Frogs for them to patrol their own beaches to stop the boat crossings.

Mental. 🤬
 
Let’s be real the £54 million would have been far better spent giving it the RNLI as a donation than giving it the Frogs for them to patrol their own beaches to stop the boat crossings.

Mental. 🤬
Not sure it would; it would just allow them to escort more inflatables across the channel. That's what they do. I understand they don't want people to drown and by doing that work, they are facilitators of human trafficking.

This stuff needs stopping at source; far too many people are being put in harms way by allowing this to happen.

No inflatables leave France, no need to put people at risk escorting them.

Lots of poor non white people being fleeced to arrive on our endemically racist shores; whilst somebody somewhere is making a mint.
 
Running as a charity means no government intervention, because we all know how welcome that is, the air ambulance and mountain rescue run as charities for the exact same reason.

Anyway, nice try at a positive post supporting a great institution Cat, shame it's descended in to the usual bollocks.
 
Not sure it would; it would just allow them to escort more inflatables across the channel. That's what they do. I understand they don't want people to drown and by doing that work, they are facilitators of human trafficking.

This stuff needs stopping at source; far too many people are being put in harms way by allowing this to happen.

No inflatables leave France, no need to put people at risk escorting them.

Lots of poor non white people being fleeced to arrive on our endemically racist shores; whilst somebody somewhere is making a mint.
So do you seriously think the boat crossings will now stop now the French are going to beef up their beach patrols?
 
The government are the facilitators of the smugglers by failing to provide safe and legal routes to seeking asylum in the UK.

Safe and Legal Routes of Entry​

For almost all people fleeing desperate circumstances, hoping to reunite with family members in the UK or seeking security and a better life in the UK, there is simply no application form that exists and no process that can facilitate a safe and legal journey. The Home Office expects people to physically reach the UK before an asylum application can be lodged.

This places many in an impossible situation, exacerbated by factors including a lack of access to support services, severe delays in processing, heavily militarised border controls, and restrictive asylum processes. Many of those who do eventually get to the UK are granted the legal right to status.

CASE STUDY
15-year-old Abdullah Dilsouz was playing cricket with other child refugees in the wasteland behind the port of Calais. Friends said he was excited to be nearing the end of a long journey from Afghanistan, and optimistic that he would soon be able to join his brother in London.
But with simply no legal way of entering the UK to claim asylum and join his brother, stagnating in dire conditions and sleeping rough in freezing cold weather, Abdullah was forced to take extreme action.
The 15-year-old was run over by a refrigeration truck on 22 December 2018 – one of three asylum-seekers to be killed on the roads outside the port at the end of the year.


The few routes that do exist are inadequate and highly restrictive:

  1. The Family Reunification Rules – This route allows children under 18 and spouses to join their parents or spouses in the UK, if that person has refugee status or humanitarian protection. This does not allow for children over 18 to join their parents, siblings to join other siblings, and excludes grandparents and other family members. Further, it does not apply if the person being joined in the UK previously held refugee status and has now gained British citizenship. Nor does it give a right to parents outside the UK to join their refugee children under the age of 18 in the UK.
  2. Syrian Resettlement Programme – Launched in 2015 in conjunction with the UN, the scheme aims to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees in the UK by 2020. The Government appears on track to reach its commitment and has recently announced a Global Resettlement Scheme, which will aim to resettle people outside of Syria at the same rate. However, the scheme in its current form is extremely limited and has been suspended since the COVID-19 pandemic began in March 2020. Globally there are 25.4 million refugees seeking sanctuary, and this scheme only allows safe entry for less than 0.02% of them.
These routes are not only extremely limited, but are often further restricted by poor implementation and practice from the Home Office.
This stuff needs stopping at source; far too many people are being put in harms way by allowing this to happen.
 
The government are the facilitators of the smugglers by failing to provide safe and legal routes to seeking asylum in the UK.

Safe and Legal Routes of Entry​

For almost all people fleeing desperate circumstances, hoping to reunite with family members in the UK or seeking security and a better life in the UK, there is simply no application form that exists and no process that can facilitate a safe and legal journey. The Home Office expects people to physically reach the UK before an asylum application can be lodged.

This places many in an impossible situation, exacerbated by factors including a lack of access to support services, severe delays in processing, heavily militarised border controls, and restrictive asylum processes. Many of those who do eventually get to the UK are granted the legal right to status.

CASE STUDY
15-year-old Abdullah Dilsouz was playing cricket with other child refugees in the wasteland behind the port of Calais. Friends said he was excited to be nearing the end of a long journey from Afghanistan, and optimistic that he would soon be able to join his brother in London.
But with simply no legal way of entering the UK to claim asylum and join his brother, stagnating in dire conditions and sleeping rough in freezing cold weather, Abdullah was forced to take extreme action.
The 15-year-old was run over by a refrigeration truck on 22 December 2018 – one of three asylum-seekers to be killed on the roads outside the port at the end of the year.


The few routes that do exist are inadequate and highly restrictive:

  1. The Family Reunification Rules – This route allows children under 18 and spouses to join their parents or spouses in the UK, if that person has refugee status or humanitarian protection. This does not allow for children over 18 to join their parents, siblings to join other siblings, and excludes grandparents and other family members. Further, it does not apply if the person being joined in the UK previously held refugee status and has now gained British citizenship. Nor does it give a right to parents outside the UK to join their refugee children under the age of 18 in the UK.
  2. Syrian Resettlement Programme – Launched in 2015 in conjunction with the UN, the scheme aims to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees in the UK by 2020. The Government appears on track to reach its commitment and has recently announced a Global Resettlement Scheme, which will aim to resettle people outside of Syria at the same rate. However, the scheme in its current form is extremely limited and has been suspended since the COVID-19 pandemic began in March 2020. Globally there are 25.4 million refugees seeking sanctuary, and this scheme only allows safe entry for less than 0.02% of them.
These routes are not only extremely limited, but are often further restricted by poor implementation and practice from the Home Office.
So how many refugees would you let into the UK?

As again this one of your posts that criticises, but never really suggests the answer.
 
Perhaps because it has £122.2m in free reserves with total net assets of £757.4m; that is far, far better than a huge number of Local Authorities.

It also received £15m more in 2020 than it spent.

Page 25 of their 2020 annual accounts


It's why they don't get Lottery funding etc.

The RNLI are clever in their approach; make it look like a little local lifeboat station, when in actual fact it's not; it's a well oiled money making machine relying on volunteers putting their lives on the line.

They shouldn't however be picking up the tab for the failure of international policies around trafficking migrants across the channel. It is only a matter of time before one of those volunteers dies trying to rescue somebody who is being exploited by human traffickers.

Ironically; it even has a section on human trafficking in it's annual report

"The RNLI is committed to ensuring that modern slavery and human trafficking are not present in its supply chains or partnerships. We continue to work with our suppliers and partners to ensure compliance with the UK Modern Slavery Act 2015. RNLI contracts include up-to date clauses on modern slavery and human trafficking to ensure that our suppliers are aware of their obligations."

But they are essentially facilitating it through the escorting of boats across the channel.
mmm.... Cat conveniently didn't mention that bit about their assets. Perhaps not the hard up organisation some thought it was. Maybe his way of just playing the racist card on AVFTT again.
 
Any person that can justifiably meet the requirements of the 1951 UNHCR convention and the 1967 UNHCR protocol.
Numbers are irrelevant, it is a legal obligation.
 
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mmm.... Cat conveniently didn't mention that bit about their assets. Perhaps not the hard up organisation some thought it was. Maybe his way of just playing the racist card on AVFTT again.
Does the money the charity hold justify the racist attacks on Twitter?
 
So do you seriously think the boat crossings will now stop now the French are going to beef up their beach patrols?

No, not at all.

There's a whole load of reasons why the vast majority of right minded people who live around the world want to come and make a new life for themselves in the UK.

Partly it's cultural - if you ever get the chance to speak to a refugee from one of the former French colonies as I have on loads of occasions, it's really enlightening. Basically, the French still see them as such and the UK doesn't - or at least that's the perception.

In fact I was speaking to a dear friend from Burkina Faso just last week as I was asking him what was going on with the recent deaths over there. He showed me an incredible film of oil bubbling through the land! The French have run out of the agreements that were part of decolonisation (I think he said 75 years) where all of the resources of the country went to France, and so, these things no need renegotiating. The French government appear to be trying to destabilise the area so that they can go back in as 'peace keepers' and keep the stuff. Lots of Africans don't want that.

Anyway I digress.

So, the UK is seen as fair and democratic and a good place to have a new life; France is seen as a racist shithole.

What we really need to do is actually try to make staying in your own country as an economically viable alternative - which means free trade as equals. We appear to be pursuing that, our friends over the channel and Irish Sea less so - the EU is a capitalist protection racket.

By shifting the emphasis from economic migration, to genuinely fleeing persecution, we should see the numbers of people trying to move decrease. So the homosexuals fleeing the Islamic countries where it's still punishable by death, and where women get flogged for having the temerity to be raped to the free thinkers in totalitarian regimes (Byelorussia anyone) where there is no freedom of expression and thought to disagree with the state etc will be far easier to support.

And here's the dilemma for those who try to make the UK out to be a pariah fascist state - we're not one, we're not even close.

We are one the greatest bastions of democracy and acceptance and a wonderful place to live, hence 6 million EU citizens wishing to remain; and for hundreds of thousands of displaced people not lucky enough to be born on these isles, well as we keep seeing, they'd risk their lives (and the lives of the volunteers at the RNLI) to get here.
 
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