Russian strikes hit children's hospital

There is absolutely no excuse for this whatsoever. They cant claim it was a mistake with the modern weaponry around these days. They will just deny it was them and say the Ukrainians are to blame. Didnt think this war could shock me anymore than it already has. I was wrong.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Nothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
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Jaffa
NATO are not scared of him one iota but they have to tread carefully.
If they went in with a gun-ho attitude and started a 3rd World war which, in all probability, would put us as sitting ducks, would you blame NATO or just accept the invasion of us as a bi-product of the invasion of Ukrainia?
The only way for this to end is for someone to take Putin out and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it came from Russia.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Jaffa
NATO are not scared of him one iota but they have to tread carefully.
If they went in with a gun-ho attitude and started a 3rd World war which, in all probability, would put us as sitting ducks, would you blame NATO or just accept the invasion of us as a bi-product of the invasion of Ukrainia?
The only way for this to end is for someone to take Putin out and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it came from Russia.
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No one’s going to take Putin out this conflict will go on and on until he’s completed his objective.

The west are letting the people of Ukraine down every single day that passes.
 
Sanctions are the way forward, this has the potential to set a new level of world unity and sanctions, this is the best and only real option to force a conclusion. These will start to hurt Russia and its people very soon. What’s the point of being in the higher echelon of society with loads of money if you cannot travel or spend it. People from ALL levels in Russia will soon start to turn on Putin in large numbers. Not that they wanted this in the 1st place, his only way to win was a quick war, and that’s not happened, Putin has ******* up big style. The West is even talking about not using its oil and gas, this would get all types of people of influence to turn on Putin.
 
I also think the Russia s will turn on putin. When they can’t buy anything or pay their mortgages and bills
So far the following and more have stopped things in Russia which will have an almighty effect
Rouble now worth nothing
Netflix
PL games
Athlethes and sports banned from competing
Pepsi co and Coca Cola
Maccies
Kfc
Pizza hut
IKEA
Mothercare
Visa
Mastercard
Apple Pay
Google
Will be 100s more too
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
No one’s going to take Putin out this conflict will go on and on until he’s completed his objective.

The west are letting the people of Ukraine down every single day that passes.
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When this is over and Ukraine is largely within RussIan hands and anyone trying to protest is arrested and locked up for 15 years, the west will say, this is terrible, but we did everything we could and we’ll continue to ramp up sanctions. Meanwhile, Putin will be gloating and cosying up to China to overcome the sanctions.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Nothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
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regretfully i have to agree with you Jaffa
 
Sanctions are working and will continue to work.
Sadly though they will come too late for the people of Ukraine and many many more men women and children are going to die as a result.
 
Predicted this a few days ago based on a programme I saw last week where they flattened a hospital in Syria having hit it 22 times until destroyed. If they could deliberately target hospitals in Syria then it was inevitable they would carry on doing the same in Ukraine. They have no boundaries to barbarity.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
I also think the Russia s will turn on putin. When they can’t buy anything or pay their mortgages and bills
So far the following and more have stopped things in Russia which will have an almighty effect
Rouble now worth nothing
Netflix
PL games
Athlethes and sports banned from competing
Pepsi co and Coca Cola
Maccies
Kfc
Pizza hut
IKEA
Mothercare
Visa
Mastercard
Apple Pay
Google
Will be 100s more too
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The country and citizens are proper fucked now and not just in the short term. Once alternative oil and gas supplies are found and agreed for mainly those countries massively dependent on Russia, then there are very few places where they can sell these products and that’s why that turncoat Imran Khan was cosying up to Putin a few weeks ago!
 
Devonshire said:
Sanctions are the way forward, this has the potential to set a new level of world unity and sanctions, this is the best and only real option to force a conclusion. These will start to hurt Russia and its people very soon. What’s the point of being in the higher echelon of society with loads of money if you cannot travel or spend it. People from ALL levels in Russia will soon start to turn on Putin in large numbers. Not that they wanted this in the 1st place, his only way to win was a quick war, and that’s not happened, Putin has ******* up big style. The West is even talking about not using its oil and gas, this would get all types of people of influence to turn on Putin.
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Sanctions will make the people leaner and fitter, all the better to wage war.

No Maccy D's, no fizzy pop.

Ready to fight.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Nothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
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Will you read threads properly please. It's not a matter of NATO being scared. We need to be cautious because of nuclear weapons. There is no other answer. It's bad, it's distressing but there it is.
 
Devonshire said:
Sanctions are the way forward, this has the potential to set a new level of world unity and sanctions, this is the best and only real option to force a conclusion. These will start to hurt Russia and its people very soon. What’s the point of being in the higher echelon of society with loads of money if you cannot travel or spend it. People from ALL levels in Russia will soon start to turn on Putin in large numbers. Not that they wanted this in the 1st place, his only way to win was a quick war, and that’s not happened, Putin has ******* up big style. The West is even talking about not using its oil and gas, this would get all types of people of influence to turn on Putin.
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Totally agree .
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Will you read threads properly please. It's not a matter of NATO being scared. We need to be cautious because of nuclear weapons. There is no other answer. It's bad, it's distressing but there it is.
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I’ve read them till I’am blue in the face.

And I’am sick and tired of people saying sanctions will work given time.

Do you seriously think Ukraine has time on its hands?

I bet Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of no Micky D’s for tea washed down with a Coca Cola.

NATO needs to grow some balls and stand up to Putin for once Instead of constantly being bullied.
 
How are they going to hold Ukraine if they capture it. Scenes like today have baked in a level of hatred not seen since German occupation of Eastern Europe and the Yanks in Vietnam.

It’s going to be guerrilla attack after guerrilla attack. Resistance cells, bombs, ied, snipers. It’ll be horrible for the young Russian troops given the task of keeping the peace.

They’ll have little to no support from any of the locals - even those with Russian heritage as they’ll all have personal tales of loss and horror.

I don’t think NATO should enter, but we do need to keep providing state of the art defence kit that Ukraine can use. Make the cost of invasion horrific for Russia
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’ve read them till I’am blue in the face.

And I’am sick and tired of people saying sanctions will work given time.

Do you seriously think Ukraine has time on its hands?

I bet Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of no Micky D’s for tea washed down with a Coca Cola.

NATO needs to grow some balls and stand up to Putin for once Instead of constantly being bullied.
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I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.
 
But we are being bullied by direct threats from Putin.
We were told he’s not invading Ukraine and he did, then he said if anyone intervenes they will face the full might of the Russian army like never seen before.
He then threatened us by saying he was putting his nuclear force on stand by.
If that’s not bullying the west then I'am sorry but I don’t know what is.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.
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i am the same as Jaffa so frustrated and sad by it all. But imo you speak sense and sanctions are the way forward for now!
 
I get you Jaffa.
But the world is terrified of a WW3 that involves nuclear weapons.

It‘s not a fear of Putin‘s strength or Russian military strength.

It’s the not knowing how utterly deranged, unhinged and evil Putin’s mind may actually be if pushed, and the global catastrophe that could result in.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
But we are being bullied by direct threats from Putin.
We were told he’s not invading Ukraine and he did, then he said if anyone intervenes they will face the full might of the Russian army like never seen before.
He then threatened us by saying he was putting his nuclear force on stand by.
If that’s not bullying the west then I'am sorry but I don’t know what is.
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It's bluster Jaffa. There is no way he will attack a NATO country.
 
Lala said:
I get you Jaffa.
But the world is terrified of a WW3 that involves nuclear weapons.

It‘s not a fear of Putin‘s strength or Russian military strength.
It’s the not knowing how utterly deranged, unhinged and evil Putin’s mind may actually be if pushed, and the global catastrophe that could result in.
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I’am pretty dam sure Russia doesn’t want a nuclear war either, Putin is all mouth he’s become very good at it the last 2 weeks, he reminds me of the class room bully someone finally stands up to him punches him on the nose and he runs a mile with his tail between his legs.
 
It seems the Russians are bothered about western companies puling out of Russia.
I must admit I’m sick of Chinese and other countries flooding our country with utter garbage.
 
New depths from Putin.

Reading an article on false flag operations, potentially with non conventional weapons. really, really scary shit
 
1966_and_all_that said:
It's bluster Jaffa. There is no way he will attack a NATO country.
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I agree.

I also don’t think he will continue his crusade into any other country, NATO or otherwise for several reasons.

One being that he didn’t envisage the complications of this invasion brought on by the bravery and determination of Ukraine to fight back.

Another being because of the severity of the sanctions and the price that any further invasion would cost Russia.

He won’t back down in Ukraine as that’s about ego and evil stubbornness, but I think he’d think twice about invading anywhere else.
 
That's a few on here saying we're not doing anything.

The UK has trained 25,000 troops way before the war started.

We've equipped then with weaponry, they've been trained to use.

Other countries are supplying weapons

We are sending humanitarian aid.

That's not nothing.

I know you're old Jaffa, I'm 49 - I'd quite like my children to have an opportunity to grow up in a world not ravaged by a nuclear war.

I know Putin isn't able to unilaterally set them off, but don't think for a minute he wouldn't do it. He doesn't care.

We're doing more than I expected, the Ukrainians are doing more than I expected too.

Russia won't win this; it's just a matter of how miserable the life of Russians has to become and how many Ukrainians will die until they stop.

Long term, it's probably going to create a new global dynamic; Russia will be back in the economic stone age, China will see that the West are well able to coordinate their activities to hurt a superpower, which will probably be enough to get them to wind their necks in, and we will start looking at liberal economies to trade with each other and avoid authoritarian states.

It's horrible at the moment, but I think it's a watershed.
 
Reports now in that the Russians have used vacuum bombs. Banned by most countries and the Geneva convention I believe. As for the children's hospital, just look at what they did in Syria and also other conflicts. Basically indiscriminately flatten everything in front of them.
 
Lala said:
I agree.

I also don’t think he will continue his crusade into any other country, NATO or otherwise for several reasons.

One being that he didn’t envisage the complications of this invasion brought on by the bravery and determination of Ukraine to fight back.

Another being because of the severity of the sanctions and the price that any further invasion would cost Russia.

He won’t back down in Ukraine as that’s about ego and evil stubbornness, but I think he’d think twice about invading anywhere else.
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Had the Ukraine rolled over and made the invasion easy, I 100% believe Poland, Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia would have been next on his invasion list. Fortunately, they are making life very difficult for the Red Army and he knows that invading a NATO country now would be an absolute clusterfuck.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.
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I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.
 
Matesrates said:
I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.
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Oh I’m not aaying we won’t go in hard if he attacks a NATO county.
I absolutely think we will, despite the consequences.
We aren’t looking at that situation now though, so technically we are playing it by the NATO book.
 
Matesrates said:
I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.
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The current approach seemed to work pretty well during the 40 or so years of Cold War. No guarantees that will carry on of course, but I think it is worth sticking with in the current situation for now at least. It’s certainly not easy to live with though.
 
Putin is so hell bent on achieving what he set out to do, irrespective of the number of deaths he causes on both sides, or how he is 'riding roughshod' over humanitarian issues.
He has already threatened that any country or NATO that puts troops on the ground in support of Ukraine will be a legitimate target, and Russia would be at war with them due to their interfering in his 'special military operation'

The nagging thought at the back of my mind, taking into account how Putin seems to beligerently view things in his world, is how long will it be before he decides that any countries (and NATO countries in particular) who have supplied weapons, ammunition and training for Ukraine forces to utilise in defence of their country against an out and out aggressive invader have transgressed in some manner, despite not having 'actual' troops fighting alongside Ukraine army/resistance fighters are vicariously 'guilty' of escalating the invasion by virtue of the fact that they have supplied weapons to Ukraine, which are being used in direct action against his troops.

I agree that the link is tenuous, but........ nobody has any idea what the voices in his head are telling him, so he could feasibly use that skewed argument to test the mettle of NATO and others.
 
Russian foreign ministry stating that there were no children or women in the hospital and it was in fact a base for nationalist troops.

Location was being used for Ukraine artillery that’s attacking the Russians.

Same story they used in Syria. Cynical and cowardly
 
Yeh, the twatt said Ukrainian radicals had taken over the hospital and chased all the nurses and women out! Imo Syria was an excercise in complete obliteration of buildings etc. readying the Russian military for the Ukraine invasion.
 
According to the Russian Minister for Bullshit Sergei Lavrov, the bombing of the children's hospital is "not the first time we see pathetic outcries concerning the so-called atrocities perpetrated by the Russian military".

I do wonder how the likes of Lavrov can look at themselves in the mirror.
 
Paradiddle_01 said:
Putin is so hell bent on achieving what he set out to do, irrespective of the number of deaths he causes on both sides, or how he is 'riding roughshod' over humanitarian issues.
He has already threatened that any country or NATO that puts troops on the ground in support of Ukraine will be a legitimate target, and Russia would be at war with them due to their interfering in his 'special military operation'

The nagging thought at the back of my mind, taking into account how Putin seems to beligerently view things in his world, is how long will it be before he decides that any countries (and NATO countries in particular) who have supplied weapons, ammunition and training for Ukraine forces to utilise in defence of their country against an out and out aggressive invader have transgressed in some manner, despite not having 'actual' troops fighting alongside Ukraine army/resistance fighters are vicariously 'guilty' of escalating the invasion by virtue of the fact that they have supplied weapons to Ukraine, which are being used in direct action against his troops.

I agree that the link is tenuous, but........ nobody has any idea what the voices in his head are telling him, so he could feasibly use that skewed argument to test the mettle of NATO and others.
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Yes I think it very likely he will use any interpretation of military activity to justify any actions he decides to take. This kind of invalidates my previous post, but I still think it is probably sensible to stick to the existing strategy though. Hopefully there are steadier hands than his on the nuclear threats😱.
 
Matesrates said:
When this is over and Ukraine is largely within RussIan hands and anyone trying to protest is arrested and locked up for 15 years, the west will say, this is terrible, but we did everything we could and we’ll continue to ramp up sanctions. Meanwhile, Putin will be gloating and cosying up to China to overcome the sanctions.
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I will expect Putin to be continually plagued by guerilla warfare from the point he takes 'control' of Ukraine.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Nothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
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Agree Jaffa - it’s embarrassing - the nervousness over the Polish - US MIG jet swap shows we are run by bureaucrats not leaders
 
Did you see the spokeswoman from the Russian Foreign Ministry on Russian TV yesterday? She claimed that Russian troops had discovered Ukrainian biological warfare labs near the Russian border which had been funded by the US. This is the false narrative that Putin is feeding to his own people (becoming more like North Korea every day). The West is worried that Putin will use this as an excuse for use of biological or chemical weapons
 
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